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 Post subject: Re: Food for thought just saying my view on priv server
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 1:44 pm 
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I think the main reason the mod team disallowed private servers was to save work. They succeded where Joymax failed, stopping the problem before it is a problem.

With all the private server links etc the forum would be cluttered and spammed.

Good call imo, even if you like private servers SRF is not the place to look for one.

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 Post subject: Re: Food for thought just saying my view on priv server
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you fly you have a serious ego problem since avalon


iv had a serious ego problem since i was 10 and found out chicks dont like whimpy emo kids. has nothing to do with avalon. did my post say anything about avalon? all of a sudden avalon is brought into it.

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how this for upholding copyrights. i own avalon. your not allowed to talk about avalon anymore without my permission. i ask that srf mods enforce my copyright. (which is valid by law. anything posted on the internet automaticly gets a copyright unless it conflicts with an existing one. and i even have a website for avalon which also gets a copyright under some website laws out there)


its cause you weren't flagrantly posting with egotistical remarks,

I like the union don't get me wrong, but I can't stand egotists.

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 Post subject: Re: Food for thought just saying my view on priv server
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:00 pm 
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I think the main reason the mod team disallowed private servers was to save work. They succeded where Joymax failed, stopping the problem before it is a problem.

With all the private server links etc the forum would be cluttered and spammed.

Good call imo, even if you like private servers SRF is not the place to look for one.


why that? you could make a new forum section, just for the Private Servers.

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 Post subject: Re: Food for thought just saying my view on priv server
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heroo wrote:
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I think the main reason the mod team disallowed private servers was to save work. They succeded where Joymax failed, stopping the problem before it is a problem.

With all the private server links etc the forum would be cluttered and spammed.

Good call imo, even if you like private servers SRF is not the place to look for one.


why that? you could make a new forum section, just for the Private Servers.

Great, a whole section requiring 24/7 moderating.

What I'm saying is that link to outside sites brings more links to outside sites. Wich will bring bot site links etc.

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 Post subject: Re: Food for thought just saying my view on priv server
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Waisha wrote:
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I think the main reason the mod team disallowed private servers was to save work. They succeded where Joymax failed, stopping the problem before it is a problem.

With all the private server links etc the forum would be cluttered and spammed.

Good call imo, even if you like private servers SRF is not the place to look for one.


why that? you could make a new forum section, just for the Private Servers.

Great, a whole section requiring 24/7 moderating.

What I'm saying is that link to outside sites brings more links to outside sites. Wich will bring bot site links etc.


1. So what if we get a new section? I think there are enough people that want to become a mod of that section.

2. Like it does matter if there is a possibilty that people could end op on a bot providing website? First of all it has absolutely nothing to do with SRF and second i'm sure we all know how to use google. The people that really want a bot can get one easily.

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 Post subject: Re: Food for thought just saying my view on priv server
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Pull an avalon was a great term used by Barotix BUT there is a problem Barotix we cant get rid of the gold bots. We are still trying to find a way to get them off too. But we have people that buy gold on Venus and that makes support so no they wont leave yet...
Venus is getting more and more crowded *by players?* i doubt it
It effing bot infested. Another server that is full of these stupid chinese people. (you can ban me but this is what I think) their all a bunch of piece of shit.
And the idiots that support them by buying gold isnt better their retarded as well.

Once we get Avalon private server up we will show poeple how the game should have been in the first place.

We have a dream, and that dream will be fulfilled. Nothing and no one will stop us of making this game fun and playable.

Emperor Fly , I am at your command.

If all you closet botters would stop SUPPORTING chinese gold sellers we would not have a logging game to play each time we open our SRO.exe

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 Post subject: Re: Food for thought just saying my view on priv server
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heroo, I'm sorry but you are too biased to discuss. I don't even play sro and I'm not against private servers either. But links to private servers WILL bring problems to SRF, wether it you want it or not.

Because I think mostly botters will join private servers, I mean you are even allowed to bot there. That speaks for itself.

Links to unreliable sites WILL bring problems, I think SG can back me up on that one.

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 Post subject: Re: Food for thought just saying my view on priv server
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lol.... :roll:

i think maybe there should be a sub forum for a private server, on SRF or not i dont know, there are others out there guys, you can discuss them there

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 Post subject: Re: Food for thought just saying my view on priv server
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 3:10 pm 
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@Avalon Union,

The Dream U guys invision is a grand one.One which stands on top of my wishlist.If you guys succeed in bringing that to life i'll leave my ISRO char and hop over to your side if allowed.I wouldn't mind it being pay2play either cause a server without botters/goldsellers/cheaters sure beats the hell out of anything ISRO can offer.


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 Post subject: Re: Food for thought just saying my view on priv server
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In spite of how this company supports and distributes bots, isn't Joymax exactly the same? Brainwashing kids with their WE SHALL BAN THE BOTS... someday. Disclaimer: Nawww, we'd never ruin our profit.
The pserver profits off of people paying for silk. But, this really isn't a problem, why? You can only buy silk in a certain way. I am unsure how, but from what I see, you have to use Visa to buy silk. Only a few people can buy silk in the pserver. Knowing this, you can rest assured the company isn't benefitting as much as you think they do. They distribute bots, sure. The bots are downloaded from a chinese forum. Nobody on the pserver that speaks english knows where that forum is. However, I know someone in my guild that knows where the bots are. They said its all chinese, and the bot itself is in chinese. Unless they can read chinese, I wonder how they're gonna bot. (The bot requires scripting, as informed by a guildmate)

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 Post subject: Re: Food for thought just saying my view on priv server
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:18 pm 
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The pserver profits off of people paying for silk. But, this really isn't a problem, why? You can only buy silk in a certain way. I am unsure how, but from what I see, you have to use Visa to buy silk. Only a few people can buy silk in the pserver. Knowing this, you can rest assured the company isn't benefitting as much as you think they do.


The fact alone that they are having benefit and profit of someone else's (read: Joymax' development team) work is illegal. It doesn't matter how many people buy silk on that server.

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They distribute bots, sure. The bots are downloaded from a chinese forum. Nobody on the pserver that speaks english knows where that forum is. However, I know someone in my guild that knows where the bots are. They said its all chinese, and the bot itself is in chinese. Unless they can read chinese, I wonder how they're gonna bot. (The bot requires scripting, as informed by a guildmate)


Afaik there were links posted on SRF directly to that bot forum. The download link on that forum was next to other download links to guess what :roll:
The creators (or thiefs of Joymax' files, i don't know) of this unique private server created bots for iSRO as well. iSRO is still english so i don't think those bots were in chinese.

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 Post subject: Re: Food for thought just saying my view on priv server
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:22 pm 
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how this for upholding copyrights. i own avalon. your not allowed to talk about avalon anymore without my permission. i ask that srf mods enforce my copyright. (which is valid by law. anything posted on the internet automaticly gets a copyright unless it conflicts with an existing one. and i even have a website for avalon which also gets a copyright under some website laws out there)


Ok, sure. You own the copyright for your post that I quoted... unless there is something in SRF's terms that say that you and I do not own our own posts. Maybe we do.

Since I quoted you, I guess I own your post? Or at least my copy of it? Or did I infringe on your copyright by quoting you?

I don't think you own a copyright simply because you posted some text online. There are other criteria involved.

I believe even if a private server makes absolutely no money, it is still infringing on Joymax. Players who could be playing iSRO and buying silk are now playing on the private server, causing Joymax to lose service to other entities that are running THEIR game.

The companies that run cSRO and the like pay Joymax for the license to run it. So people who play cSRO and buy silk there are not affecting Joymax, because Joymax is still getting paid for use of that software.

In the end, people who run private servers are still "stealing" Joymax's software.

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 Post subject: Re: Food for thought just saying my view on priv server
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:42 pm 
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if ppl rlly didnt care about stealing joymax's softwear, we'd alredy have loads of more fking private servers ages ago.

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 Post subject: Re: Food for thought just saying my view on priv server
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i'm just tired of cheaters, you know with a commercial shooter these were far and few between. or hell a comercial rpg. Can't people just play a game fair, seriously whats so fcking hard about that.

If you support gold bots you are just as bad, as a bot itself. I can see why srf doens't like this server, any support toward those who make, run or buy gold, are equally as bad and should NOT be tollerated, i started this topic with my veiws at the time un aware of the source of the private server (being locked left and right, it wasn't exactly pointed out very well) a bot provider and a gold seller they ruined the game, they are the problem playing that server (at least paying to do so makes you as bad as any botter, playing but not paying although taxes their resources they can get more support just by numbers and bandwitdh and you are helping them)

I just want a fair fcking game with fun competition, in fact i'm annoyed with all the legits in one union now, only ones left to compete with are the cheaters, who suck at team play, best way to beat them is not consider them your main enemy we need another strong legit union to face. Its going to get really boring with every one on avalon, sorry but bots only know how to ccf globals to cuss you out, no real drama no real excitment, just retardisity.


off topic but damn you retards with stall charectors, thats getting damn close to being a problem, make the gold bot issue traffic worse by occupying it with an extra charector to stall. Plvlers god damn just stop all the plvl, the people you lvl tend to be noobs who can't use their charector right, and you ruin the party system.

Beggers stop the damn beggeing for taxi, if a taxi is offered by a freind, thats ok take an occasional boost, OCCASIONAL, not always, if a freind helps a freind get a lvl before guild war or fort war thats not going to ruin the party system, but the degree of bullshit its become is retarded.

All the people selling taxi's your almost as bad gold buyers, cause you are forcing the econmy into a way that the only real way to get some where is to buy gold for plvls, because no parties.

I know i can't just convince you dumbas-ses to stop because you are ruining the game further, but at maybe i can at least make some one decide to not be part of the problem, at the very least it makes me feel better, god its not so hard to play the game the way its meant to be played its more fun and you would be happier yourselves with your servers if you more people would follow this. but do what ever

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 Post subject: Re: Food for thought just saying my view on priv server
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:06 pm 
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PR0METHEUS wrote:
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how this for upholding copyrights. i own avalon. your not allowed to talk about avalon anymore without my permission. i ask that srf mods enforce my copyright. (which is valid by law. anything posted on the internet automaticly gets a copyright unless it conflicts with an existing one. and i even have a website for avalon which also gets a copyright under some website laws out there)


Ok, sure. You own the copyright for your post that I quoted... unless there is something in SRF's terms that say that you and I do not own our own posts. Maybe we do.

Since I quoted you, I guess I own your post? Or at least my copy of it? Or did I infringe on your copyright by quoting you?

I don't think you own a copyright simply because you posted some text online. There are other criteria involved.


by quoting me it clearly says the post is from fly and is no different then writing a collage essay and adding quotes in that. i own my words and you used them while giving me credit.

i learned this crap in like the 5th grade. where was the majority of srf?

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I believe even if a private server makes absolutely no money, it is still infringing on Joymax. Players who could be playing iSRO and buying silk are now playing on the private server, causing Joymax to lose service to other entities that are running THEIR game.

The companies that run cSRO and the like pay Joymax for the license to run it. So people who play cSRO and buy silk there are not affecting Joymax, because Joymax is still getting paid for use of that software.

In the end, people who run private servers are still "stealing" Joymax's software.


lol. so people who switch over to hybrid cars are loseing the gas companies money so they are breaking a law?

make sence or go home. you dont have to make money for anyone.

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 Post subject: Re: Food for thought just saying my view on priv server
PostPosted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:44 pm 
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lol. so people who switch over to hybrid cars are loseing the gas companies money so they are breaking a law?

make sence or go home. you dont have to make money for anyone.


That is not a good comparison. We're not talking about creating a completely different game that would "steal" players from iSRO because the new game has some similar/better features. That's not illegal, that's competition.

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Players who could be playing iSRO and buying silk are now playing on the private server, causing Joymax to lose service to other entities that are running [Joymax's] game.


If I were to find out what formula Exxon uses for their gasoline, and open up my own chain of gas stations selling that gasoline under a different name, say, Eckson, there could be problems.

My point was that there are certainly legality issues with using/borrowing/stealing/copyright-infringing on someone else's software without their permission, and using it as your own. Now if a group of people from SRF wanted to create their own MMORPG that is similar to Silkroad Online, that wouldn't be a problem. Perhaps even include some elements of the original in the new one.

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it may be wrong. but its not illegal.

mainly cuz its in china.

its just an inferiour copy of a game made in a country that has no copyright laws. all it needs is a stamp on it that says made in china.

plus this topic is kinda dumb. srf is run by certin people. they own it. if they dont want private server talk here they dont need to allow it. it seems they made up there mind. weather i like it or not is my problem, not theres. i really dont see why its that big of a deal that it needs a 3 page topic.

plus i tried the server. it SUCKS soooo badly. d.c every 2 min. lag worse then isro on x-mass. bots. lvl 90 chars for $5. just let it die, wont be too long till it does.

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it may be wrong. but its not illegal.

mainly cuz its in china.

its just an inferiour copy of a game made in a country that has no copyright laws. all it needs is a stamp on it that says made in china.

plus this topic is kinda dumb. srf is run by certin people. they own it. if they dont want private server talk here they dont need to allow it. it seems they made up there mind. weather i like it or not is my problem, not theres. i really dont see why its that big of a deal that it needs a 3 page topic.

plus i tried the server. it SUCKS soooo badly. d.c every 2 min. lag worse then isro on x-mass. bots. lvl 90 chars for $5. just let it die, wont be too long till it does.


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it may be wrong. but its not illegal.

mainly cuz its in china.

its just an inferiour copy of a game made in a country that has no copyright laws. all it needs is a stamp on it that says made in china.

plus this topic is kinda dumb. srf is run by certin people. they own it. if they dont want private server talk here they dont need to allow it. it seems they made up there mind. weather i like it or not is my problem, not theres. i really dont see why its that big of a deal that it needs a 3 page topic.

plus i tried the server. it SUCKS soooo badly. d.c every 2 min. lag worse then isro on x-mass. bots. lvl 90 chars for $5. just let it die, wont be too long till it does.


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 Post subject: Re: Food for thought just saying my view on priv server
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Fly wrote:
it may be wrong. but its not illegal.

mainly cuz its in china.


That's where it gets complicated. There may be no copyright laws (or similar) in China, but what about Korea? Joymax licenses their software out to the cSRO folks. Wouldn't there be some type of copyright law that cSRO has to follow? Otherwise why even pay for a license. The Chinese company could just steal the software and roll their own game and profit.

I don't know enough about copyright laws and international laws to have any definite answers. It just seems like a complicated issue.

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plus this topic is kinda dumb. srf is run by certin people. they own it. if they dont want private server talk here they dont need to allow it. it seems they made up there mind. weather i like it or not is my problem, not theres. i really dont see why its that big of a deal that it needs a 3 page topic.

Private server talk is fine. Links to the recent one, will be a problem. This thread can stretch as much as srfers want to discuss about it, as long as the forum rules and stance regarding private servers (especially the recent one) are respected.

For srfers who havent read the announcement (by SuicideGrl), I implore you that you do. We've made it clear why we dont believe in supporting the recent private server (it clashes with the ideals this forum upholds), but discussions about private servers in general are purrfectly fine.

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Joymax cant do anything legally about the private server in China. (Incase you didnt know, look what the Chinese do to MICROSOFT) If say <<edited, don't post names of bot/gold sellers - MrBow>>opened one up in SanFran it would be swiftly shut down.

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