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Costs way less, more fun.
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technically speaking all i need is DOT for dull and wheel bind to kill a chinese char but the other stuff just adds salt to the wounds

im telling i never lose to chinese

edit: and if ur the type to throw up a fire wall or ice wall, i just walk away and sit down lol


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technically speaking all i need is DOT for dull and wheel bind to kill a chinese char but the other stuff just adds salt to the wounds

im telling i never lose to chinese

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Play World of Warcraft,
Costs way less, more fun.
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cost way less 20$/month(or whatever the price is)? is that a joke?
more fun disagree cuz some ppl dont like wow

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GlennNL22 wrote:
Play World of Warcraft,
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cost way less 20$/month(or whatever the price is)? is that a joke?
more fun disagree cuz some ppl dont like wow


If you buy a prem/pet clock/devil thingy every month you're already spending more than 20$. Add extra's like avatar suits/global/skill pots, anything really and it increases even more.

So yeah, unless you ofcourse don't buy silk then it's more expensive.

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 Post subject: Re: Black Res is IMPOSSIBLE!!!
PostPosted: Sat Mar 26, 2011 12:13 pm 
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Dear Joymax Support Team,
We, the .... community, would like to inform you about some potential changes which would improve the gameplay and would surely please the whole silkroad community as well.
Silkroad now exists for about 6 years and the game was balanced until the european race was implemented on the 23rd of July 2007. Some builds are overpowered due to skills which have either a very short cooldown or which are just way to strong itself.
After a long discussion we finally found a conclusion : implementing all the changes which the Korean Silkroad actually has.

As far as I know these are:
- Increasing the cooldown of all the skins and screens a warrior has
- Reducing the Holy Spell probability to 50%
- When switching to main weapon bless spell should be gone
- (dunno if this one is implemented in ksro) We would also like an increase of the Reverse Oblation/Immolation cooldown
- And last but not least we also want the damage increase of the chinese skills as they are in Ksro

We apologize if we forgot anything and we really hope that there will be any change in the near future. Since you are wanting us to improve the gameplay we would also like to see the changes in game actually. At this point we would like to thank you once more for the change of the fortress war time and we are looking forward for any change of the balance in game.

Sincerely, your ... community


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 Post subject: Re: Black Res is IMPOSSIBLE!!!
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Dear Joymax Support Team,
We, the .... community, would like to inform you about some potential changes which would improve the gameplay and would surely please the whole silkroad community as well.
Silkroad now exists for about 6 years and the game was balanced until the european race was implemented on the 23rd of July 2007. Some builds are overpowered due to skills which have either a very short cooldown or which are just way to strong itself.
After a long discussion we finally found a conclusion : implementing all the changes which the Korean Silkroad actually has.

As far as I know these are:
- Increasing the cooldown of all the skins and screens a warrior has
- Reducing the Holy Spell probability to 50%
- When switching to main weapon bless spell should be gone
- (dunno if this one is implemented in ksro) We would also like an increase of the Reverse Oblation/Immolation cooldown
- And last but not least we also want the damage increase of the chinese skills as they are in Ksro

We apologize if we forgot anything and we really hope that there will be any change in the near future. Since you are wanting us to improve the gameplay we would also like to see the changes in game actually. At this point we would like to thank you once more for the change of the fortress war time and we are looking forward for any change of the balance in game.

Sincerely, your ... community


Well this is just an example you can change things if you like but this should be a kind of template // english isnt THAT well but I guess that our lovely support team will understand it

well if you want you can join and send it to joymax if not...well your choice


Actually KSRO only has 2 of the changes, which were mentioned in your post:
- Reducing the Holy Spell probability to 50%
- And last but not least we also want the damage increase of the chinese skills as they are in Ksro

The others are not and most likely won't be introduced in KSRO. They are only introduced in JSRO and besides i don't really think it's a good idea. Warrior skins and screens are essential for euro pt play. Same goes for continuous bless spell. It would be almost impossible to keep pting on monsters more than 10-15 levels higher, if you would increase the cool downs and make it impossible to form a bless cycle. SRO is definitely better without the changes, which have been made on JSRO and i hope they won't do the same on ISRO and KSRO.

I agree that the holy word/spell resistance should be reduced and the imbues/damage of chinese characters should be increased. Then it would be the same as on KSRO, which would be just fine.


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Let's not forget about Immolation cooldown Kronos. :D
Bless Spell having a weapon restriction wouldn't worsen the party play of euros. U gotta have an active cleric anyway. It will only make euros more party dependant.

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Let's not forget about Immolation cooldown Kronos. :D
Bless Spell having a weapon restriction wouldn't worsen the party play of euros. U gotta have an active cleric anyway. It will only make euros more party dependant.

Oh yes, it would. We usually have 3 or even 4 clerics in our pts (including 1 main cleric). If you are organized that means, you can have a full time bless, which makes the pt play a lot easier and faster, since all the pt members have a lot higher defence.

If you would want to keep that bless cycle strategy on, you would have to change your cleric every 45 seconds and every cleric in pt would need all skills to actually do cleric. Then they could just take turns in doing cleric and the bless cycle could still be used, but it would be a lot harder than before. And usually not everyone in pt has the skills to actually play as main cleric. Some people only take some cleric skills, which are usefull.


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well as I said its only a template...just change the things you do not want and send it to jm if you like :)


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 Post subject: Re: Black Res is IMPOSSIBLE!!!
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originally it was different. i dont actually care. i prefer chinese anyway. except warlock.


I completely agree here, except I add a warrior/Rogue to the list too.

About the dmg update thing; I've heard it forces Chinese builds to be pure, if so I really don't like it. One of the reasons that Chinese win imo is their versatility with stat points. Hybrids maybe easy to mess up but oh so rewarding when built right.


And I honestly do not see them changing obilation or bless or holy word. People like them, makes it easier for them to play and laud about the "superior" cleric builds.

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I dont get the QQ'ing over oblation o_O. The whole point of it is, (for those of us who do actually party) when your party gets wiped, someone can quickly get ressed and not die again cause of higher def.

A team of chinese will obviously get pwned by a team of Euro, thats the point of the game -_-'

The changes they should make is w/ bless weapon switching, the over 9000 statuses that warriors ("tanks") can do while doing epic dmg, not how long the cool down for oblation should be or lowering the dmg of wizzies (~,~')

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I dont get the QQ'ing over oblation o_O. The whole point of it is, (for those of us who do actually party) when your party gets wiped, someone can quickly get ressed and not die again cause of higher def.

A team of chinese will obviously get pwned by a team of Euro, thats the point of the game -_-'

The changes they should make is w/ bless weapon switching, the over 9000 statuses that warriors ("tanks") can do while doing epic dmg, not how long the cool down for oblation should be or lowering the dmg of wizzies (~,~')


Yes, it's obvious that a team of chinese will be pwned by a team of Euros. I doubt it's the point of the game to have two teams pvp forever and no one ever really loses.

Since you talk about partying, do you have an int cleric? Kinda BS that a warrior is able to heal and keep a party alive imo.

Oblation works well when grinding, that doesn't mean it doesn't ruin pvps. The warrior lures are amazing in pve, doesn't mean it should be used ever in a pvp. Just because something works well in one setting doesn't mean it was well though out and works well in the other half of the game mechanics.

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Since you talk about partying, do you have an int cleric? Kinda BS that a warrior is able to heal and keep a party alive imo.


Actually i don't think it's that bad. As warrior you don't always get in pts. If there are 2 warriors, who play for a long time without interruptions, you won't have a chance to get a slot in the pt, unless you can do something else. That can be either bard or cleric. Of course str clerics and str bards aren't as good as int clerics or int bards, but they are still ok in terms of pting. It would be a great disadvantage for warriors, if they could only do 1 job in pt, which is tanking and which is needed only 2 times. Ints can usually take 3-5 slots in a pt, depending on their build (wiz/bard can get the most slots in a pt. 3 times as wizard, 2 times as bard). If you are only tank it's quite hard finding pts at least for me. During the last week, i only got in pts, because i have cleric skills too. Else i couldn't have pted at all.

It would be BS, if you would rely on doing just 1 thing and nothing else in a pt. You wouldn't be flexible at all like that, which is always very important for me.

I don't care that much about PVP anyway, but since most people in our community are euro characters and know how to play their characters, we are usually quite good at it. In most cases we win in guild/pt BA, unless the opponent team is really a lot higher or from the legit community too. Then it ends up in an interesting fight and that one, who was better organized, wins.


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I dont get the QQ'ing over oblation o_O. The whole point of it is, (for those of us who do actually party) when your party gets wiped, someone can quickly get ressed and not die again cause of higher def.

A team of chinese will obviously get pwned by a team of Euro, thats the point of the game -_-'

The changes they should make is w/ bless weapon switching, the over 9000 statuses that warriors ("tanks") can do while doing epic dmg, not how long the cool down for oblation should be or lowering the dmg of wizzies (~,~')

THATS THE POINT OF THE GAME.
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they just need to nerf some euros. like warrior buffs. in pvp i saw some chinese players doing 200-500 damage on a wizard who was buffed up the wazoo. maybe put a limit on how many buffs a char can have at a time? idunno.
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I dont get the QQ'ing over oblation o_O. The whole point of it is, (for those of us who do actually party) when your party gets wiped, someone can quickly get ressed and not die again cause of higher def.

A team of chinese will obviously get pwned by a team of Euro, thats the point of the game -_-'

The changes they should make is w/ bless weapon switching, the over 9000 statuses that warriors ("tanks") can do while doing epic dmg, not how long the cool down for oblation should be or lowering the dmg of wizzies (~,~')

THATS THE POINT OF THE GAME.
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Legs wrote:
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I dont get the QQ'ing over oblation o_O. The whole point of it is, (for those of us who do actually party) when your party gets wiped, someone can quickly get ressed and not die again cause of higher def.

A team of chinese will obviously get pwned by a team of Euro, thats the point of the game -_-'

The changes they should make is w/ bless weapon switching, the over 9000 statuses that warriors ("tanks") can do while doing epic dmg, not how long the cool down for oblation should be or lowering the dmg of wizzies (~,~')

THATS THE POINT OF THE GAME.
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In pt play yes, 1v1 no.



ITS STILL NOT THE POINT OF THE GAME.

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Some stupid shit.



Wth r u talking about? The point of the game is the conflict between 3 races as they vie for wealth on the ancient Silkroad.

According to Joymax, the creator of iSRO, look at their legend I update page if you want to verify this, Euros are meant to dominate in party-play. Chinese are meant to dominate in 1v1 solo play.


However, the black res skill is messed up since it does nothing except make an infinite loop for pvp. No one can win as long as ressers are alive. Ressers have to be killed ALL at once in order to win. This was a factor in me switching my old char from fire to light. With the speed I had a chance of killing a resser, dashing to the next one and killing him before focusing on the rest of the noobs.

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at least youre smart enough to make some kind of strategy.


I have a theory based on Alps. The shittier the player, the better their gear. There are rare exceptions where you have crazy strong chars, but a majority of ppl with decent gear i've seen kinda suck at pvp...

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at least youre smart enough to make some kind of strategy.


I have a theory based on Alps. The shittier the player, the better their gear. There are rare exceptions where you have crazy strong chars, but a majority of ppl with decent gear i've seen kinda suck at pvp...


Any older Xian player can vouch for that. *cough* pompom *cough* Usually best gear/weapons of the server but he failed to kill a regular joe (me) with normal +5 gear/weps. All he could/can do is sit there and take dmg.

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idk why kronos is insisting on the bless bs so much, a party can easily kill mobs 11 lvls higher without bless whorin the whole time

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Wth r u talking about? The point of the game is the conflict between 3 races as they vie for wealth on the ancient Silkroad.

According to Joymax, the creator of iSRO, look at their legend I update page if you want to verify this, Euros are meant to dominate in party-play. Chinese are meant to dominate in 1v1 solo play.


However, the black res skill is messed up since it does nothing except make an infinite loop for pvp. No one can win as long as ressers are alive. Ressers have to be killed ALL at once in order to win. This was a factor in me switching my old char from fire to light. With the speed I had a chance of killing a resser, dashing to the next one and killing him before focusing on the rest of the noobs.

He said like this "A team of chinese will obviously get pwned by a team of Euro, thats the point of the game -_-'"

thats the point of the game.
I cant belive you, goseki, didnt find that dumb as ****.

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idk why kronos is insisting on the bless bs so much, a party can easily kill mobs 11 lvls higher without bless whorin the whole time

ptg is the only time its required, unless your party sucks, and/or are botting.

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idk why kronos is insisting on the bless bs so much, a party can easily kill mobs 11 lvls higher without bless whorin the whole time

ptg is the only time its required, unless your party sucks, and/or are botting.


Actually it depends on your gap, the level difference and the ammount of monsters, which you lure. During farming with gap 9 it's pretty hard to keep on pting at monsters, that are more than 11 levels higher than you. Your equipment and skills will be around 20 levels lower than the monsters in that case. You'll really appreciate a continuous bless in such situations, since the monsters will hit you pretty hard without it. And even if you aren't gapping, it's still a whole lot easier with a running bless cycle.

I agree that it's not a must, but the pts will be a lot better and faster with bless all the time, since warriors can lure a lot more without dying.


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He said like this "A team of chinese will obviously get pwned by a team of Euro, thats the point of the game -_-'"

thats the point of the game.
I cant belive you, goseki, didnt find that dumb as ****.

Are you stupid? Euros are supposed to be better in party play, while chinese are supposed to be better at solo. Its no surprise that a full euro party would own a full chinese party
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Yes, it's obvious that a team of chinese will be pwned by a team of Euros. I doubt it's the point of the game to have two teams pvp forever and no one ever really loses.

Since you talk about partying, do you have an int cleric? Kinda BS that a warrior is able to heal and keep a party alive imo.

Oblation works well when grinding, that doesn't mean it doesn't ruin pvps. The warrior lures are amazing in pve, doesn't mean it should be used ever in a pvp. Just because something works well in one setting doesn't mean it was well though out and works well in the other half of the game mechanics.

I don't know where i was talking about warriors acting as clerics in parties..but ok. Yes they can cleric in a party w/ a non-lazy bard, same as a str bard.
I can see where you are coming from on the oblation thing, but the analogy doesnt make sense at all lol..

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