CALCULATING DAMAGE, help to make a correct formula!

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Sun Jan 06, 2008 4:22 pm

Multiplier:

Punch: 150%
Sword_base: 60% 2times/time
Spear_base: 117%
Bow_base: 84%

There u go, u have everything u need to find a correct formula. <3

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Sun Jan 06, 2008 5:45 pm

Hi, the research for the correct formula is in progress. Atm, my formula works for the punch and normal shot.

Formula : dmg = (base - def) * bal * skillmul * buff * multiplier
multiplier could vary from 1.26-1.29 so i'll fix it at 1.29

All values are taken from elnawawi test:

elnawawi wrote:

Yes I did tests before (but forget to post here) and the result was :

Wolf : & black hawk
Didn't try

Me : (normal shot)
I tried 3 characters with different balances to see :

1st : Pure STR lvl 32 , phy balance 94% , mag balance 32% , phy damge without weapon : 70 , and with weapon : 380 , mag attack 349 , fire passive : +3%

with fist :
Real damge was119
damge from the formula = B*2*phyBuff*phyBal-def
damge from the formula = (70*2*1.03*0.94) - 8 = 127.55

with weapon :
Real damge was 394
damge from the formula =(BPhy-def*2+1)*phyBal*phyBuff*1.155
damge from the formula = (280 - 8*2 + 1) * 0.94 * 1.03 * 1.155 = 408

Imbue : 75~125(+100%) & fire mastery (lvl 31) ,
Real damge was : 609
damge from the formula =((BMag+ImbueDmg)*mastery)-def*2+1)*magBal*magBuff*1.155+phyDmg
damge from the formula = ((349+125)*1.30) - 8*2+1 ) * 0.32 * 1.155 + 394 = 616.2

Skill : Anti devil wave 64~86(+200%) & pacheon mastery (lvl 31)
Real damge was : 1221

Skill : Strong Bow 95(350%)
Real damge was : 2190

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2nd : Hybrid lvl 20 , 69:70 balance , phy attack with no weapon : 29 , with weapon : 128 , mag attack : 200 , fire passive : 1%

With fist :
Real damge was30
damge from the formula = B*2*phyBuff*phyBal-def
damge from the formula = (29*2*1.01*0.69) - 8 = 32.4

with weapon :
Real damge was 92
damge from the formula =(BPhy-def*2+1)*phyBal*phyBuff*1.155
damge from the formula = (128 - 8*2 + 1) * 0.69 * 1.01 * 1.155 = 90.9

With weapon + phy attack buff 3% (+ 1% passive)
Real damge was 95
damge from the formula =(BPhy-def*2+1)*phyBal*phyBuff*1.155
damge from the formula = (128 - 8*2 + 1) * 0.69 * 1.04 * 1.155 = 93.6

Imbue : 30~51(+100%) & mastery (lvl 13) ,
Real damge was : 302
damge from the formula =((BMag+ImbueDmg)*mastery)-def*2+1)*magBal*magBuff*1.155+phyDmg
damge from the formula = ((200+51)*1.13) - 8*2+1 ) * 0.70 * 1.155 + 92 = 309

Imbue + buff mag attack +4%
Real damge was : 310
damge from the formula =((BMag+ImbueDmg)*mastery)-def*2+1)*magBal*magBuff*1.155+phyDmg
damge from the formula = ((200+51)*1.13) - 8*2+1 ) * 0.70 * 1.04* 1.155 + 92 = 317.8

Skill : Anti devil missile 35(+150%) & pacheon mastery (lvl 14)
Real damge was : 219
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3rd character : pure int lvl 26 , balance 56% phy (no weapon) , 57% phy (with weapon) 90% mag , phy attack with no weapon : 22 , with weapon : 181 , mag attack 332 & no fire passive ..

With fist :
Real damge was16
damge from the formula = B*2*phyBuff*phyBal-def
damge from the formula = (22*2*0.56) - 8 = 16.64

with weapon :
Real damge was 107
damge from the formula =(BPhy-def*2+1)*phyBal*phyBuff*1.155
damge from the formula = (181 - 8*2 + 1) * 0.57 * 1.155 = 109.3

Imbue : 49~91(+100%) & mastery (lvl 26) ,
Real damge was : 542
damge from the formula =((BMag+ImbueDmg)*mastery)-def*2+1)*magBal*magBuff*1.155+phyDmg
damge from the formula = ((332+91)*1.26) - 8*2+1 ) * 0.90 * 1.155 + 107 = 645

Skill : Anti devil missile 22(+150%) & pacheon mastery (lvl 7)
Real damge was : 218
Real damge with imbue was : 995
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And my highest character is a euro build so we can't use it to calculate ..

So now let's test the accuracy of my formula:

Mangyang: phydef = 7, magdef = 10

PUNCH: multiplier = 150%
Str: real = 119
min: dmg = (70 - 7) * 0.94 * 1.5 * 1.03 * 1.29 = 118
max: dmg = (71 - 7) * 0.95 * 1.5 * 1.03 * 1.29 = 121

Hybrid: real = 30
min: dmg = (29 - 7) * 0.69 * 1.5 * 1.01 * 1.29 = 29
max: dmg = (30 - 7) * 0.70 * 1.5 * 1.01 * 1.29 = 31

Int: real = 16
min: dmg = (22 - 7) * 0.56 * 1.5 * 1.00 * 1.29 = 16
max: dmg = (23 - 7) * 0.57 * 1.5 * 1.00 * 1.29 = 17

NORMAL SHOT - BOW: multiplier = 84%
Str: real = 394
min: dmg = (380 - 7) * 0.94 * 0.84 * 1.03 * 1.29 = 391
max: dmg = (381 - 7) * 0.95 * 0.84 * 1.03 * 1.29 = 396

Hybrid: real = 92
min: dmg = (128 - 7) * 0.69 * 0.84 * 1.01 * 1.29 = 91
max: dmg = (129 - 7) * 0.70 * 0.84 * 1.01 * 1.29 = 93

Int: real = 107
min: dmg = (181 - 7) * 0.57 * 0.84 * 1.00 * 1.29 = 107
max: dmg = (182 - 7) * 0.58 * 0.84 * 1.00 * 1.29 = 109

IMBUE:
Formula = ((base + imbueDmg) * MasteryIncrease - def) * bal * skillmul * buff * constant_multiplier

SHOT + IMBUE (phyDmg + magDmg)
Str: real = 609
min: dmg = 391 + ((349 + 75) * 1.31 - 10) * 0.32 * 0.84 * 1.00 * 1.29 = 580
max: dmg = 399 + ((350 + 125) * 1.31 - 10) * 0.33 * 0.84 * 1.00 * 1.29 = 617

Hybrid: real = 302
min: dmg = 91 + ((200 + 30) * 1.13 - 10) * 0.70 * 0.84 * 1.00 * 1.29 = 280
max: dmg = 93 + ((201 + 51) * 1.13 - 10) * 0.71 * 0.84 * 1.00 * 1.29 = 304

Int: real = 542
min: dmg = 107 + ((332 + 49) * 1.26 - 10) * 0.90 * 0.84 * 1.00 * 1.29 = 565
max: dmg = 109 + ((333 + 91) * 1.26 - 10) * 0.91 * 0.84 * 1.00 * 1.29 = 625

I dont know why it doesnt work with pure int... hope he doesnt forgot to add the mag buff. Otherwise, there is a slight difference in the multiplier which depends on the balance of your Str/Int. A multiplier of 1.22 will work.

Formula for skill also works, but im lazy to post the result

The final formula will be:

TotalDmg =
(((weapPhyPower + Str*phyReinforce + phySkillPower)*(1 + weapMastery) - phyDef) * phyBalance * skillMultiplier * phyBuff * multiplier)
+
(((weapMagPower + Int*magReinforce + magImbuePower)*(1 + forceMastery) - magDef) * magBalance * skillMultiplier * magBuff * multiplier)

If u are debating which is stronger between pure str and hybrid str, it's time to use this formula :wink:

If u want to find the strongest build vs HP, use Excel and make a graphic, only 1 variable needed : Str
Just replace Int and phy/mag balance:
Int = 40 + (Level - 1)*5 - Str
the balance depends on Str, but i forgot the formula (so u have to search in this forum)

elnawawi · **Joined:** Jun 2007 **Posts:** 338 **Location:**

cool to find something , thx for your time ..

but ,

Quote:

NORMAL SHOT - BOW: multiplier = 84%
Str: real = 394
min: dmg = (380 - 7) * 0.94 * 0.84 * 1.03 * 1.29 = 391
max: dmg = (381 - 7) * 0.95 * 0.84 * 1.03 * 1.29 = 396

Quote:

SHOT + IMBUE (phyDmg + magDmg)
Str: real = 609
min: dmg = 391 + ((349 + 75) * 1.31 - 10) * 0.32 * 0.84 * 1.00 * 1.29 = 580
max: dmg = 399 + ((350 + 125) * 1.31 - 10) * 0.33 * 0.84 * 1.00 * 1.29 = 617

also it don't work for int :

Quote:

Int: real = 542
min: dmg = 107 + ((332 + 49) * 1.26 - 10) * 0.90 * 0.84 * 1.00 * 1.29 = 565
max: dmg = 109 + ((333 + 91) * 1.26 - 10) * 0.91 * 0.84 * 1.00 * 1.29 = 625

this time may be i made something wrong .. i still have the character at same lvl with same weapon (in other account) and can go check again

and when you used imbue damge at imbue formula you made mistake by using min and max damge of skill (imbue) .. beacuse my real damge was MAX damge i can do no more even 1 damge so this must make us use max damge in imbue too .. i still can't trust this formula ..

The most intersting thing in your work is :

Quote:

Multiplier:

Punch: 150%
Sword_base: 60% 2times/time
Spear_base: 117%
Bow_base: 84%

what told you that ? and how you discovered it ? in fact i can't belive that sword (total 2 times) and spear have that much higher than bow ...

the only thing that can prove all these things is haveing diffrent characters in lvls and stat testing this make sure that it's true ..

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Tue Jan 08, 2008 12:11 pm

Well, for the imbue, i need more tests. As for the phy dmg part, it works in all test, yet it's not the max dmg.

Quote:

what told you that ? and how you discovered it ? in fact i can't belive that sword (total 2 times) and spear have that much higher than bow ...

It's from media.pk2 file. All character's skill and mob skill multiplier are written there.

U can also make test from different mob. So we can easily deduce the formula. Mangyang's def is too much low so we cant see much difference. I got the mob def list, so dont worry.

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:36 am

Need someone to do some more tests, not with Mangyang Oo

JohnPayne · **Joined:** Sep 2007 **Posts:** 57 **Location:**

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I guess i have here the closest values with a logic formula.

phy_damage = (phy_atk * balance_phy + skill_phy_damage * skill_phy%) - monster_def_phy

I use the multiplier of the phy damage instead of the muliplier of the embue if i use the phy. weapon skill with the embue, just logic to use that.
mag_damage = (mag_atk * balance_mag + skill_mag_damage * skill_phy%) - monster_def_mag

I use for all stats up there only the highest values and the ingame damage is the highest value that this character was able to reach. Before you ask: The mag_atk. in the calculation table is not the mag_atk that you would see in the statmenu of that character. The ingame statmenu doesnt add the mastery bonus to the mag. atk. cuz it doesnt know if you use fire, light or ice embue, but it will add the mastery bonus to the phy. atk in the statmenu if the weapon is equiped. There the system know which mastery bonus it have to add. That means that you would never see that mag_atk. for that character in my character menu, but i need it for the calculation.

Whatever, my formula is quite correct, just one last thing is to add, but i dont know how exactly. It have to do with the lvl of the character, probably the lvl of the enemy/monster too. I made some tests which gave me the proof that the character lvl is a variable in the damage formula. I dont have that in my damageformula but i fight against same lvl monsters, what means that the lvl doesnt matter that much how you can see, but it still give some extra damagepoints. If he would fight now against Mangyangs, then he would do a lot higher damages. The highest damage on a Mangyang was 9978 physical damage with that skill used in my calculation above. So i guess it is some kind of calculation with the difference of the character lvl to the lvl of the enemy/monster

I hope there are some smart ppl. out there who could help there.

greetz, Payne

magisuns · **Posted:** Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:39 pm

when i get home i think i'll play around with these formula's a bit.

Thanks alot for your effort silo and payne :wink:

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Wed Sep 03, 2008 10:55 pm

Quote:

mag_damage = (mag_atk * balance_mag + skill_mag_damage * skill_phy%) - monster_def_mag

The only thing im sure is that the skill_phy% multiply to everything, and not just skill_mag_damage
Ex: lvl 90
mag_atk = 2500
balance_mag = 100%
use imbue lvl 1 book 1 ~ 24 dmg
normal shot skill_phy = 100%
so: skill_mag_damage * skill_phy% = 24 only
but if he uses strongbow 350% the overall dmg will be multiply with 3.5, and not just the skill_mag_damage

If u can explain why a tiger with base dmg only around 70, can deal 3-4 dmg to a lvl 90, even though his defense is 1000, then 1/3 of the dmg formula is explained =)

JohnPayne · **Joined:** Sep 2007 **Posts:** 57 **Location:**

NuclearSilo wrote:

The only thing im sure is that the skill_phy% multiply to everything, and not just skill_mag_damage

To everything? that would multiply the basic magic damage by 3,5 if i use strong bow, the damageoutput would be way to high.

NuclearSilo wrote:

Ex: lvl 90
mag_atk = 2500
balance_mag = 100%
use imbue lvl 1 book 1 ~ 24 dmg
normal shot skill_phy = 100%
so: skill_mag_damage * skill_phy% = 24 only
but if he uses strongbow 350% the overall dmg will be multiply with 3.5, and not just the skill_mag_damage

To use the embue would activate the mag base damage, so it would just add 24dmg to the mag. base damage of the character, yes.

NuclearSilo wrote:

If u can explain why a tiger with base dmg only around 70, can deal 3-4 dmg to a lvl 90, even though his defense is 1000, then 1/3 of the dmg formula is explained =)

No idea...

Well, but how i said i tested the damage on 2 low lvl chars of mine, one was lvl 84 and the other lvl 76. I put off accessory and made it that both chars have the same defense values. A lvl 90 was killing them with one skill all the time. He was able to do more damage on the lvl 76. So, maybe your lvl is anyhow implemented in the end defense of your character that you doesnt see in the stats or the difference to the attacker have to do with that. That would fit to that formula i use, but your question with the 70 damage against 1000 defense is kinda right. Probably you have to calculate the defense on other ways from the damage, but that doesnt change something on the fact that i can still can already calculate very accurate the difference between a pure str and a hybrid char. Cuz this formula fits for attacking same lvl mobs for all characters. You make a lil bit more damage on the monsters of course, but that doesnt matter. Its just about to compare something. A 100% complete or correct formula would be nice of course.

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:16 pm

Quote:

To everything? that would multiply the basic magic damage by 3,5 if i use strong bow, the damageoutput would be way to high.

Well, sadly it is. Some nuker plvl use lvl 1 book 1 only just to activate the imbue. So when they cast a physical skill. The mag base dmg will be multiply with the skill multiplier, and the output dmg is not too weak compare to a high lvl imbue.

JohnPayne · **Joined:** Sep 2007 **Posts:** 57 **Location:**

I will test that. I will use my lvl 75 imbue of lightning with strongbow and then the lvl 1 ice imbue with strongbow. Then you see what difference it make. If my theory is right, then the damage will go down a lot. If your theory is right then it should be lower, but still ok. But i dont do that now, i go to sleep now.

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Wed Sep 03, 2008 11:34 pm

JohnPayne wrote:

I will test that. I will use my lvl 75 imbue of lightning with strongbow and then the lvl 1 ice imbue with strongbow. Then you see what difference it make. If my theory is right, then the damage will go down a lot. If your theory is right then it should be lower, but still ok. But i dont do that now, i go to sleep now.

pure int only
pure str imbue is too weak to notice

Stress · **Posted:** Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:23 am

NuclearSilo wrote:

JohnPayne wrote:

I will test that. I will use my lvl 75 imbue of lightning with strongbow and then the lvl 1 ice imbue with strongbow. Then you see what difference it make. If my theory is right, then the damage will go down a lot. If your theory is right then it should be lower, but still ok. But i dont do that now, i go to sleep now.

pure int only
pure str imbue is too weak to notice

Correct.
I have something to add.
When a physical skill is not involved, the damage only goes down by the difference between the actual imbue damage. So, according to sro.mmosite.com:
Max Ice Imbue (lv 89) 537 ~ 806 (100%)
Max Fire Imbue (lv 89) 658 ~ 1097 (100%)

Therefore, a nuke (or lion shout) with ice imbue should only be ~200 dmg weaker than one with fire imbue. The difference with physical skills should be much bigger, though. I haven't had the time to carefully read through all of the formulas, but this observation should be valid, and the formula should supply the following:
For comparing the same (purely) magical attack with different imbues, the only variable should be the base imbue damage. (on the same character with the same buffs, of course). Check your formula for that. If it applies, then part of it is certainly verified. Hope this is of some use.

JohnPayne · **Joined:** Sep 2007 **Posts:** 57 **Location:**

200 damage lower would be kinda funny. It would make the damage of fire not that high how it is in game. I have no character which have both imbues to test exactly that ingame. It's kinda useless atm to try to calculate the imbue with nukes and phy skills with imbue. I can just say that it would never just go 200 damage points lower:

Ingame damages:
Ice imbue low lvl with 55 max mag. damage(without the phy damage of the strong bow skill):
3395 dmg

Lightning imbue with 628 mag damage(again without the phy damage of the strong bow skill):
5113

My theory would make it 2005 damage points lower.
Ingame it is 1718 points lower. Well, so im not sure if Nuclear Silo is maybe right and the skill% is used on the whole mag damage and not just on the imbue or skill(nuke). There is no way to figure that out now. So better stick to the phy damage values and results. I just made that mag damage thingy into my calculation table to be able to play around with it and it's maybe not correct, but still give ya a output which is able to use it to compare int to str hybrids.

Whatever, better dont think anymore about the mag. damage and just think about the phy. damages. First figure that out before starting to climb another mountain.

We have these values:
lvl: 76
str: 211
skill_phy_damage: 389
skill_phy%: 350
balance_phy% 75,7
phy_atk. 2291,27
monster_lvl: 76 (1)
monster_def_phy: 689 (7)

And we have to make a formula which get as result:
2638 phy damage on the lvl 76 monster
9978 phy damage on the lvl 1 monster

These are the max. damage values that this character have and the highest possible damage that this character do on these monsters.

Stress · **Posted:** Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:45 pm

If your formula fails for the simpler pure magical damage skill, then it's certainly going to fail for the more complicated physical damage one.
I'm logging into my hybrid for the nuke damage test. Results coming right up

EDIT: got results

No screenshots (my computer lags horribly when I do them), but you can believe my word

I won't post detailed pictures of my stats and masteries. I'm not into the formula itself. All I'm trying to do is prove a point.

Skill used: Level 1 Horse's Thunderbolt.

- Level 1 Soul Fire Force (lv 65): 307~511 (100%) -> Highest hit: 10169
- Level 3 Thunderking Force (lv 49): 138~256 (100%) -> Highest hit: 9895

So I'm hitting basically the same!

Now, let's substract

511 - 256 = 255
10169 - 9895 = 274

I'd be glad if someone could prove this to be wrong and find the right formula, but it appears that imbue makes very little difference as far as magical attacks are concerned.

Here's another point (not as important):

Spoiler!

Conclusions:

Pure force builds should get ice imbue!
Builds that use weapon skills extensively should strive to get fire imbue. That might be impossible for pure INT builds, but, IMO, it makes hybrids who skill fire very strong compared to those who skill lightning. Never EVER should any build with magical balance lower than 87% leave fire out.

JohnPayne · **Joined:** Sep 2007 **Posts:** 57 **Location:**

Ya, sounds interesting and probably true. I never was looking for pure magical damages till now, cuz i was sure that this would be very different to calculate. You say that phy damage calculating is more complicated? I guess no, how should be mag. damage calculating easier if it use probably the skill% of the phy skill for the embue? You have more variables for calculating mag. damage then for calculating phy damage. So just aim for the phy damage only now, without imbue. It's easier to do a formula which doesnt have that many values. But the first step would be to calculate the defense into the damage formula, cuz it can't be right just to substract it. Mangyangs have the lowest defense, but probably will be your lvl get calculated into the damage anyhow, thats why i wanted to stick to same lvl monsters.

One thing to remember: If you test damages ingame, then always hit the same lvl monster always with the same skill, till youre sure that you got the highest possible damage. After you reached the highest damage that you saw 5x on the same monster, you can be sure that there is not more possible. If you didnt do that, then you have gained useless values there. Cuz the first hit was maybe a lower hit of your damage range and the second a higher hit of your possible damage.

Edit: I made some tests and it confirm your theory, that the imbue have more effect with weapon skills. With weapon skills and imbue is it really not important if you have a high lvl skill with 350% or a low lvl skill with 350%. Just the lil physical damage will be lower. If you use only mag attack, then it wont matter that much if i use the low lvl imbue or high lvl imbue, but didn't tested that good enough. I can play a ff pure int lvl 90 nuker with ice and lightning imbue. I will make some tests with that to be sure, but not now.

tomiotar · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 598 **Location:**

Ok, a new contribution to see if we can get the formula:

Test on mangyan:

Hybrid bow lvl85
294 str points
292 int points

Phys attack
2904 3492
Mag attack
2520 3030

Masteries
Pacheon 84 Fire 84 light 56 ice 70(not necesary on the calculations)

Balances
86 79

Skills

Weapon skill:
Strong bow craft lvl4 (lvl82 skill)
450 608 (350%)
Nuke:
Flame wave - wide lvl 1 (lvl56 skill)
281 468 (300%)

Imbues:
fire imbue lvl 10 last book (lvl 83 skill)
548 913
light imbue (lvl 13 skill)
24 45

Buffs:
Mag attack buff 15%
Phys attack buff 18 (9 buff + 9 passive)
+5% damage on angel winds (no premium nor honor buff)

Bow
atacks
1080 1290
1732 2065
reinf
168.6 206.7
269.8 330.7

Results:

Nuke:
32511 with fire imbue
30554 with light imbue
23631 without imbue

Weapon skill:
52991 strong bow with fire imbue
46141 strong bow with light imbue
21911 strong bow without imbue

I did the test only on mangyans becuase of the factor of absoption on the accesories should be the lower (2 rings+earring+necklage npc lvl 1 gives 0,9 absorption) on them. I I've hitted a lot of times until I was sure that these were the highest values when they repeat. Weapon skills are obviously non-crit values.

The most interesting point on the nuke is that, even when is a pure magical attack, you need a bit of imbue to "activate" the magical damage of the bow.

I hope this values help on the discussion ^^.

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Thu Sep 04, 2008 4:46 pm

It's better to test with human on high lvl. We dont know if mob have absorption or not.

Result of tomiotar : (assumming mangyang has no def and absoprtion se we'll try to put that with diffenrent test on higher lvl mob)

no imbue = (3492 + 608*1.84) * 0.86 * 3.5 * 1.23 * 1.29 = 22020

meaning: (base + skill_pow * mastery_incr) * balance * skill_mult * buff&passive * multiplier

1.29 is a multiplier relative to mangyang. It should work in most test with mangyang.

The problem is where to put the defense, and how to calculate the relative multiplier.

tomiotar · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 598 **Location:**

NuclearSilo wrote:

It's better to test with human on high lvl. We dont know if mob have absorption or not.

Result of tomiotar : (assumming mangyang has no def and absoprtion se we'll try to put that with diffenrent test on higher lvl mob)

no imbue = (3492 + 608*1.84) * 0.86 * 3.5 * 1.23 * 1.29 = 22020

meaning: (base + skill_pow * mastery_incr) * balance * skill_mult * buff&passive * multiplier

1.29 is a multiplier relative to mangyang. It should work in most test with mangyang.

The problem is where to put the defense, and how to calculate the relative multiplier.

The problem with human is that there is a factor of difference of lvl between players. I`ve checked that lvl affects damage receive because I did some test with a glavier hitting me (when I was 80-81, don't rememeber excactly) on garment and bad accesorys and same glavier hiting another glavier on protector but lvl 77 or 76 (dont rememeber exactly). A full farmed glavier was hitting clearly higher on the lvl 76 pure str than on me, even when has higher phys defence than me and better accesories.

Thats why I beleive that first we have to start getting the formula for low lvl mobs that we know exactly the data, and is possible to reproduce the test for different people on different servers.

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:10 pm

Quote:

Weapon skill:
52991 strong bow with fire imbue
46141 strong bow with light imbue
21911 strong bow without imbue

=> mag part = 52991 - 21911 = 31080

Using the same formula above:
mag dmg = (3030 + 913) * 1.84 * 0.79 * 3.5 * 1.2 * 1.29 = 31053

27 dmg error

tomiotar · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 598 **Location:**

Just 27 is almost like said nothing, more considering that there is an empirical factor as multiplier on the damage formula and that the mag balance is rounded to lowest number. Now the main problem is consider the effect of the defence and absorptions and look if that multiplier can be applied to other monsters or, in case that there is a variation on this multiplier, find this value as a function of monster level.

Stress · **Posted:** Thu Sep 04, 2008 9:10 pm

tomiotar wrote:

Just 27 is almost like said nothing, more considering that there is an empirical factor as multiplier on the damage formula and that the mag balance is rounded to lowest number. Now the main problem is consider the effect of the defence and absorptions and look if that multiplier can be applied to other monsters or, in case that there is a variation on this multiplier, find this value as a function of monster level.

The empirical factor itself doesn't pose a problem. Once the rest of the formula is figured out, all you need to do is divide, and, maybe, double check with other skills/buffs/masteries. If the result is pretty much the same, that has to be the empirical factor we're talking about.
That's the least of the concerns.

tomiotar · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 598 **Location:**

Ok, new data. I went to kill some monsters again and this time I try to get info at equidistances points of the cap, so these were the selected monsters:

1) At lvl 30 earth ghost magician and hyeongchong
2) At lvl 61 Soil ghost bugs and shakrams
and finally 3) lvl88 rockys

Results:

earth magician
39866 with fire imbue
16525 without imbue

hyeongchong
16467 without imbue
39889 with fire imbue

soil ghost bug
11718 without imbue
28287 with fire imbue

Shakran
11641 without imbue
28347 with fire imbue

Rocky
12494 with fire imbue
5204 without imbue

I dind't find the post with the values of defense, hp, parry and attack rating that I remember was posted by NuclearSilo more than 1 year ago, so I couldn't try to use them on the formula (I choose 2 different monster at lvl 30 and 60 to see the diference on deffence but I don't have the values

). Again the skill that I use it was strong bow, fire imbue, same buffs, bow and gear. May be someone who know a bit of pk2 can extract me this defense values to make some calculations (on silkroadaddiction's wiki there are some but not all of values).

With this values we have at lvl 1, lvl30, lvl60 and lvl90 to check from lowest until highest possible defense on mobs ^^.

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Sat Sep 06, 2008 12:19 pm

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reddragonz · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 66 **Location:** Lounge

attack rating on weapon should be in there,

tomiotar · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 598 **Location:**

reddragonz wrote:

attack rating on weapon should be in there,

Attack rating don't change maximum damage, just how frequently you get it. I've been working with the numbers and trying to consider deff of the mobs. That I did it was change the formula like this:

Quote:

Phys = (base + skill_pow * mastery_incr - Phys def) * balance * skill_mult * buff&passive * multiplier

and

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Mag=((base + imbue_pow )* mastery_incr - Mag def) * balance * skill_mult * buff&passive * multiplier

The problem is that I found a variation on the multiplier that depend on the level but I didn't get a good correlation because I don't have many points to analyze. For mobs of same lvl the variation is really small, but for different lvls I've found this values of multiplier: 1,28 at lvl1, 0,98-0,99 at lvl30, 0,74-0,76 at lvl61 and 0,39 at lvl88 (there is a trend but with a bad correlation's coeficient).

If I manage to login on the game (something really dificult without premium on weekend with event) I will try to get values of monsters at lvls 15, 45 and 75 or 10, 20, 40, 50, 70 and 80 (depending on my mood ^^), in order to get a better correlation of multiplier.

EDIT:
I still couldn`t enter the game, but if you change the values of fire imbue by the ones of light imbue on my previuos post I got ¡¡¡¡¡¡EXACT!!!!!! dmg value ^^ (using excel to make the numbers so they aren`t rounded) with this formula.

Boys we got the estructure of damage formula including defence values, now we need best possible empirical formula for multiplier to complete it

.

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Sat Sep 06, 2008 5:11 pm

uhm i found a close formula, but there is smt that missed

Quote:

earth magician
39866 with fire imbue
16525 without imbue

((3492 + (608-109) * 1.84)*0.86)*(1-109/(2505)) * 3.5 * 1.23 = 15617
((3030 + 913-194) * 1.84)*0.79)*(1-194/(3943)) * 3.5 * 1.2+(((3492 + (608-109) * 1.84)*0.86)*(1-109/(2505)) * 3.5 * 1.23) = 37379

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soil ghost bug
11718 without imbue
28287 with fire imbue

3492 + (608-426) * 1.84)*0.86)*(1-426/(2505)) * 3.5 * 1.23 = 11 758
((3030 + 913-682) * 1.84)*0.79)*(1-682/(3943)) * 3.5 * 1.2+(((3492 + (608-426) * 1.84)*0.86)*(1-426/(2505)) * 3.5 * 1.23) = 28 224

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Rocky
12494 with fire imbue
5204 without imbue

((3492 + (608-1045) * 1.84)*0.86)*(1-1045/(2505)) * 3.5 * 1.23 = 5800
((3030 + 913-1672) * 1.84)*0.79)*(1-1672/(3943)) * 3.5 * 1.2+(((3492 + (608-1045) * 1.84)*0.86)*(1-1045/(2505)) * 3.5 * 1.23) = 13785

And your dmg associated with mob

Try on a random mob (fully buffed yourself), then compare with the stats given. If it's close, we can move to a next step. If not, consider the formula given is wrong.

tomiotar · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 598 **Location:**

I don't understand how you calculate the numbers "2505" on phys part and "3943" on mag part. You use those value for all the monsters but I fail to see how to calculate those constants.

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Sat Sep 06, 2008 7:45 pm

it's the sum of the power.

uhm, when u kill very low lvl mob, the formula should give higher dmg result, but with high lvl mob, it should give a lower result. How to balance it?

doomas · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 380 **Location:**

Where did that multiplier 1,23 come from?
And yes, the lvl of the mob matters. It's either that, or they have absorbtion of some sort...
For ex. I hit ~18k ignore dmg on my own lvl mobs, yet I do ~24k on ongs

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