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PR0METHEUS
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Post subject: Re: What do you consider legit? Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:10 pm |
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MrFudge wrote: No dc was implemented by joymax forever ago and shouldnt have been changed. cant blame people for going back to the better login days. i remember when you could just leave a book on top of your enter key and go afk until u got into the server. :S and editing your media pk2 file is still editing something that joymax distributed as a whole. same thing as editing client, even though it doesnt affect in-game. So as far as im concerned if no-dc isnt legit then pk2 isnt either, which actually makes some mods and a large portion of high authorities in this forums not legit. You can't really say that PK2 editing has no effect in game. I guess it depends on the edit. If you can find a way to make Yarkan 100x his size, and zoom out 20x, you'll have an unfair advantage. Turn Tiger Girl into Roc so she's easier to find, unfair. I'm not sure you could argue that making the fire nuke look like the lightening nuke is unfair though. However, I think it's probably better to just say that ALL modifications are not allowed and worth a ban, rather than try to justify the "legitness" of that modification. It's not our software to modify. nightbloom wrote: PK2 editing doesnt alter the client at all. Its not re engineered and anyone can do it if they read for 2 seconds in the guides section. Its a completely different animal. It doesn't? So I could go in and make a boatload of changes to the .pk2 files, then log into the game and everything will look/perform exactly the same way as before I made the changes? The .pk2 files are part of the client. The client is not just the .exe file (there are 3 or 4 .exe files actually). Silkroad is a client/server application. All of the SRO files on Joymax's servers are part of the "server" part, and all of the %installdirectory%\Silkroad\ files on our computers are part of the client.
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Post subject: Re: What do you consider legit? Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:17 pm |
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PR0METHEUS wrote: MrFudge wrote: No dc was implemented by joymax forever ago and shouldnt have been changed. cant blame people for going back to the better login days. i remember when you could just leave a book on top of your enter key and go afk until u got into the server. :S and editing your media pk2 file is still editing something that joymax distributed as a whole. same thing as editing client, even though it doesnt affect in-game. So as far as im concerned if no-dc isnt legit then pk2 isnt either, which actually makes some mods and a large portion of high authorities in this forums not legit. You can't really say that PK2 editing has no effect in game. I guess it depends on the edit. If you can find a way to make Yarkan 100x his size, and zoom out 20x, you'll have an unfair advantage. Turn Tiger Girl into Roc so she's easier to find, unfair. I'm not sure you could argue that making the fire nuke look like the lightening nuke is unfair though. However, I think it's probably better to just say that ALL modifications are not allowed and worth a ban, rather than try to justify the "legitness" of that modification. It's not our software to modify. though it would be cool to turn your charector into the spider man figure, i wonder if the meta and texture are still there, any one know? If i would pk2 edit it would be to make a charector use the spider man figure and maybe change the color of a few skills or turn beserk blue cause it would look cooler, but ya i can see your point some mods do give people advantages like zoom hacks, or making somethings easier to see
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Post subject: Re: What do you consider legit? Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:30 pm |
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I think, anything BEYOND just playing the game, doing your quests, collecting gold that falls from monsters is not legit. Buying gold, silk and those stupid damn pets that steal your drops are NOT legit. How many times have you partied with a group of players and never picked anything up because one of the players had a pet..If you don't use a pet you know what I'm talking about. Later
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Post subject: Re: What do you consider legit? Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:31 pm |
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Widowmaker wrote: I think, anything BEYOND just playing the game, doing your quests, collecting gold that falls from monsters is not legit. Buying gold, silk and those stupid damn pets that steal your drops are NOT legit. How many times have you partied with a group of players and never picked anything up because one of the players had a pet..If you don't use a pet you know what I'm talking about. Later Having a grabber pet in party makes it go faster because you dont' have to grab gold and drops, its good for the party And buying silk is perfectly legit
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Post subject: Re: What do you consider legit? Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:37 pm |
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I think your missing the point, thats all part of the game. And what about that odd guy in that same party that isnt part of your group, pretty much screwed. Cause at the end of the party the odd guy gets nothing and you and your friends (guild) get it all. Yet the odd guy out did help you. Didn't he?
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Post subject: Re: What do you consider legit? Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:40 pm |
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Widowmaker wrote: I think your missing the point, thats all part of the game. And what about that odd guy in that same party that isnt part of your group, pretty much screwed. Cause at the end of the party the odd guy gets nothing and you and your friends (guild) get it all. Yet the odd guy out did help you. Didn't he? Then join a itemshare pt and stop complaining 
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Post subject: Re: What do you consider legit? Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:41 pm |
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huh? are you doing noob item distro?
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Post subject: Re: What do you consider legit? Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:42 pm |
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Widowmaker wrote: I think your missing the point, thats all part of the game. And what about that odd guy in that same party that isnt part of your group, pretty much screwed. Cause at the end of the party the odd guy gets nothing and you and your friends (guild) get it all. Yet the odd guy out did help you. Didn't he? I think you havent played this game for very long, If 1 person in an item share party has a pet, it shares its pickup amongst the whole party. There is nothing illegal about buy silk and using silk items. Your shizz didn’t get stolen. You got what you were going to get. otherwise, in a non item share party, they cant touch your stuff for 20 seconds. if that isnt long enuff to get your drops, too bad for you.
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Post subject: Re: What do you consider legit? Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:47 pm |
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LOL, here we go with the noob name calling, too bad a noob or anyone for that matter can't say what they think. I guess anyone not agreeing with you and your superior expertise is a noob.
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Post subject: Re: What do you consider legit? Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:49 pm |
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no i just say item distro parties are noob, i'm calling the party type noob not you
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Post subject: Re: What do you consider legit? Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:04 pm |
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I think we are missing the point. The question was "What do you consider legit". I happen to think, anything that is purchase with real money is not legit. Pretty simple question, pretty simple answer. I don't expect anyone using pets or anything else to agree, thats your choice.
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Post subject: Re: What do you consider legit? Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:09 pm |
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Widowmaker wrote: I think we are missing the point. The question was "What do you consider legit". I happen to think, anything that is purchase with real money is not legit. Pretty simple question, pretty simple answer. I don't expect anyone using pets or anything else to agree, thats your choice. then how do you think this game SHOULD survive??? you cant have everything for free. wait till the day you get silk. and you use it. youll think differently.
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Post subject: Re: What do you consider legit? Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:10 pm |
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As long as this forum takes a strong stand against botting, account theft and gold buying, I'm more then satisfied.
These three are what brings most harm to the game and the players.
Not that I mind the discussion, but I'm not really that concerned if someone is using a no dc-client or pk2 edits tiger girl to the size of godzilla. To me that is nothing more then a piss in mississippi in comparison.
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Post subject: Re: What do you consider legit? Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:14 pm |
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Alfred wrote: As long as this forum takes a strong stand against botting, account theft and gold buying, I'm more then satisfied.
These three are what brings most harm to the game and the players.
Not that I mind the discussion, but I'm not really that concerned if someone is using a no dc-client or pk2 edits tiger girl to the size of godzilla. To me that is nothing more then a piss in mississippi in comparison. True as this is, wrong is wrong, period. We cant say that because 1 person is drunk driving and another is going just 2 mph over the speed limit that only one is breaking the law. Sure 1 mph isnt a big deal and may NEVER cost you a ticket or arrest or even get the attention of the authorities, but its wrong nonetheless. If one can be justified by the serverity of the other, than anything can be justified.
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Post subject: Re: What do you consider legit? Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:21 pm |
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I think these threads may as well be closed immedietly. Someone voices an opinion and them is "EXECUTED" for it. What good is a forum for other then having open topics and debates? Far as I am concerned this game sucks and the legits are so few and far between its not even FUNNY.  Rush4Life wrote: I consider a legit, somebody that does not bot. IMO, you're still a legit if use modified clients, buy gold etc...Buying chars is not legit, beucase 99% of all sold chars are bot chars.
EDIT: Oh and scamming/hacking isn't legit either! and this one Honestly not worth my time to keep looking. I have Real Life to deal with.
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Post subject: Re: What do you consider legit? Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:23 pm |
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delete this please i consolidated
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Post subject: Re: What do you consider legit? Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:24 pm |
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delete this please i consolidated
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Post subject: Re: What do you consider legit? Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:27 pm |
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maybe you should try not triple posting, thanx.
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Post subject: Re: What do you consider legit? Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:28 pm |
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Post subject: Re: What do you consider legit? Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:30 pm |
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delete this please i consolidated
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Post subject: Re: What do you consider legit? Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:32 pm |
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you can delete your own posts. theres a delete button.
im pretty sure i can talk about whatever i want. thanx.
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Post subject: Re: What do you consider legit? Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:34 pm |
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ArchYourFace wrote: Sure 1 mph isnt a big deal and may NEVER cost you a ticket or arrest or even get the attention of the authorities, but its wrong nonetheless. Interestingly enough, if you get caught even going 1 mile over the speed limit on the property where I work, the police WILL pull you over and WILL give you a ticket, every time.
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SRO: 1x, STR Blader (Thebes) 54, STR blader (Venice) 0x, INT wizard (Venice) 19, INT spear (Venice) 34, STR rogue/bard (Venus) 0x, STR blader (Venus) 8x, INT bard/cleric (Gaia)
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Post subject: Re: What do you consider legit? Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:37 pm |
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PR0METHEUS wrote: ArchYourFace wrote: Sure 1 mph isnt a big deal and may NEVER cost you a ticket or arrest or even get the attention of the authorities, but its wrong nonetheless. Interestingly enough, if you get caught even going 1 mile over the speed limit on the property where I work, the police WILL pull you over and WILL give you a ticket, every time. my point exactly.
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Post subject: Re: What do you consider legit? Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:43 pm |
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Legit = no bots, no goldbuying, no altered client/3rd party software, no plvl by bots, no scamming/hacking. It's people that engage in the TOS offenses above that have turned this game into something that's not so fun to play anymore. It's not Joymax's fault the game has come to this point, but it is their fault that it is staying the way it is. Legits, happy hunting, and fight the good fight note to offenders: If it gets too boring to play, why turn to these measures to make the game less enjoyable to others? I can understand why people cheat in real life (doesn't make it any less wrong), but cheating in a video game is just purely pathetic. 
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Post subject: Re: What do you consider legit? Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:44 pm |
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excellent to hear as for the delete button...it fails to exist... oh post count...up up up *edit....actually... it does exist but apparently on for your last post.
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Post subject: Re: What do you consider legit? Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 7:50 pm |
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even Joymax does not follow its own TOS so why would i? just because i sold accounts and do play on some friends accounts i should suddenly consider myself not legit?
legit: not botting not buying gold not scamming (abusing people stupidity and greed) not hacking
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Post subject: Re: What do you consider legit? Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:13 pm |
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borat2 wrote: even Joymax does not follow its own TOS so why would i? just because i sold accounts and do play on some friends accounts i should suddenly consider myself not legit?
legit: not botting not buying gold not scamming (abusing people stupidity and greed) not hacking you will most likely be banned...best wishes...
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Post subject: Re: What do you consider legit? Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 8:31 pm |
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aruin wrote: borat2 wrote: even Joymax does not follow its own TOS so why would i? just because i sold accounts and do play on some friends accounts i should suddenly consider myself not legit?
legit: not botting not buying gold not scamming (abusing people stupidity and greed) not hacking you will most likely be banned...best wishes... i don`t see any reason why i should be banned. if its because of the account selling then guess we should ban anyone who posted anything about pk2 editing since that is also against the TOS.
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Post subject: Re: What do you consider legit? Posted: Wed Feb 13, 2008 10:03 pm |
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legit is: not botting not buying gold not using multiclients etc. not getting pleveld by a bot not ccfing
-> scammin is still legit, but evil.... ure a bad person if you exploit others, except its a bot you scam, than id just laugh -> getting pleveld by another legit player is legit, too
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Post subject: Re: What do you consider legit? Posted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:50 am |
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Third party software... ... uhmmm... ... Anyone wants to talk about macros? ...
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