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I think thinking about real life examples help in understanding. Think about BMW or other high-end cars. These things are quite expensive and so the demand for them is low. There is also not a very high supply--these are not massively produced like the Toyotas and Fords and whatnot. This equalizes though because the low production equalizes with the low demand.

What would be interesting is to see how prices change over time in certain servers. That would be helpful, in addition knowing how much supply these companies actually have for each server.

It should be noted, however, these economics models are really only reliable in a perfect market. That is, where there is enough competition that the market forces set the price. Whether there really is this much competition is not really clear.

deathtoall... Let me just get this straight.

You are saying that if a gold bot company is low on money (300m in Venus' case), then the price will be lower. So, if we have little of something then we lower the price so that people will be more inclined to buy the product and thus use it all up. Seriously, that is idiodic.

There are a number of reasons why they could be low on gold, not just because people are buying it. Have you thought that they have a low amount because that is all they need to supply such a small gold buying community?

NB n co. are def's right.

EDIT* to the OP, it is commonly known that there is a greater population of legits on Venus than any other server. Regardless of goldbot population.

In the case of BMW they are sold at high end prices because the cost of making a BMW is much higher than say a Kia Sephia. Also, it has built up name recognition and caved a niche market for itself using how high performance and expensive it is. using that as an example is kinda dumb.

A better correlation would be a commodity market. In our case, instead of agricultural, gold is our commodity. Everyone uses it, everyone has it, everyone needs it and the product is identical no matter who produces it. Commodities markets are extremely subject to supply and demand.

Wow,another person that didnt read all the threads(stace). I never once said the prices are low because of low stock. I said prices are lower because more people buy gold on Venus than Xian. Someone else brought up the point that maybe its only a few people,I can live with that. But that still means its being bought up daily, whether by 1 person or 20, doesnt matter.

Uber, thats a great idea. Ill stop arguing about it after this post, but im gonna keep a running tab of changes in server stats vsgold price vs stock. Ill post in a month with info, thanks for the cool discussions.

So far...
Yesterday
Xian 2b in stock / 3.74$ per 10m
Venus 300m in stock / 2.35$ per 10m
Mercury 150m in stock / 2.14 per 10m
Today
Xian 2.2b in stock / 3.74$ per 10m
Venus 510m in stock / 2.48$ per 10m
Mercury 50m in stock / 2.44$ per 10m
Thats only 2 days, Ill post back in 2 weeks with more dates, cause I really am curious now. Yall have a good day

Another reason they could be low on gold is because of how Venus operates. They have a lot of bot traps, and force a lot of the gold bots to stay in Jangan. Gold in Jangan drops in smaller amounts than Hotan (for example), so it would take longer for the bots to collect high amounts of gold. Add to that the fact that the gold bots have to pay fortress taxes, and that equates to less gold overall for the gold companies. Since gold bots are dieing a lot more to bot traps, they may be dropping more equipment and having to buy more equipment to sustain themselves as well.

If the gold bots were able to grind in Hotan or even Taklamakan, they'd generate a lot more gold, and have no taxes to pay.





You say "more people buy gold on Venus than Xian" and then say it doesn't matter if only 1 person buys or 20 buy? You're using your arguments to claim that Venus has more gold buyers than Xian, but then claim that it doesn't matter if only one person on Venus buys gold?

Contradiction? If a small handful of Venus players buy all the gold, which could be true, that does not fit well with the "more Venus buyers than Xian buyers" argument.

You're just reposting the same thing over and over. You haven't actually scrutinized anyone's arguments then formed a rebuttal, the most you have done is attack their credibility in this thread. You cannot determine The amount of people that buy gold per server based on information supplied by gold companies. There are to many variables you're ignoring that (in a decent discussion) would render your point, irrelevant. You should be able to see the fallacies inherent in your argument, but w/e. You won't listen, so what difference does it make.

I seem to have lost myself in this thread. So if Venus has the cheapest gold, it's because demand is low. Cause hardly anyone buys it right? I happen to agree there. I don't see why Death is so confused. Wouldn't the gold selling company increase the price on the gold if it was in high demand to make more of a profit? So low price means low demand, which means not as many buyers am I correct?

(E.G.) I've got 100 stamps in stock and no one is buying them at $1 each.(Low demand right now) So I lower the prices to %0.50 to try and get more ppl to buy them cause I'm making no money. Now people just at the low prices at I'm running out of stamps.(high demand now) So I increase the prices to get more money due to demand.

I know how you feel. Yours and hers, and the rest of venus ignorance is top quality. Always good for a laugh.

Barotix, it doesnt even matter anymore, I said i'd stop posting here because..well, like i said, doesnt matter. I could probably come in here with a list of people(screenshots or whatever) of people actually saying they bought gold/botted/scammed/hacked(all things that make you unlegit) And people here would say. "Hmm how do we know they arent lying?" Or um I like this one better. "Screenshots dont prove anything'..lmao So like i said doesnt matter what I say or do. Have fun with your thread.

TPL suxx anyways , they are known to scam their customers .

whoops i guess u guys can start arguing again .

@Prophet Izaach: np at all mate, I do not think I explained my reasoning well enough in my first post

But yeh there are so many factors that this is simply irrelevant.

I mean even stating Venus has the most legits is not a fact but just an opinion... although in saying that I would agree with that opinion LOL at least in respect to srf's population count.

I see you finally see the truth and decided to post your giving up by making it look like your not wrong Low demand=low prices=Not many gold buyers=Still most legits on Venus

Well, I am glad someone who plays WOW feels the need to come in this post and say shit that everyone else had said. The shit works both ways. Prove me wrong or gtfo, same thing yall told me basically. You cant prove any of what you say, and neither can I. Fine, stfu about it already. Venus has the same amount of legits as other servers. Thats the real answer until you can prove otherwise.(sound familiar?):)

Our proof is logic. Yours is idiocy.

Venus is known to have more legits - they have like 3 legit unions set up, including the strongest union of their server. Compared to other servers, they have more legits.

Venus!

There is no better server. It isnt easy keeping the legits on the same page, but its all worth it.

Ok, maybe we can't sit and count exactly how many legits there are on each server, but we can definitely say Venus has a much bigger, stronger, legit presence than the other servers do.

If Venus has, say, 2500 legits, and 5 other servers do, at least Venus's legits are together in the same unions working towards the same cause. Legits on other servers are spread out more, weaker, letting the bot community rule them.

Either way, Venus is a much better, stronger legit server, regardless of numbers.

Disclaimer: I still believe Venus's legit numbers are higher.

LMFAO,been on Babel for a year & a half,
Babel is infested of bots like all other old server's
Just take a look at the Oasis area,there 10 bots attacking 1 mob,

your retarded


if demand drops and prices increase then demand drops even more


u have to factor in supply and demand before u do pricing

This answer came from the GOLDSELLER from TPL. Forgive the german msn, sagt = says. He said, they have NO customers at all for venus gold, HENCE the low gold prices. So now, you may understand how it works. Look xian as example, there are more goldbuyers, thats why the price is higher, venus there are no goldbuyers, thats why the prices are lower. Comprende?

^ should say enough. Haven't seen any screenshot of your conversations deathtoall

Just my opinion on the way prices work..... as Demand goes up so does prices.... you need and want it you will pay more for it regardless of how much or how little of it there actually is. Like elements, when the demand for certain elements is up for making stones the prices go up. People buy them because they need/want them. Prices have little to do in my opinion with much else. Call me a nub for it, I know somewhere in there there is the whole supply and demmand thing....but I don't think about that. Naive yeah.

My only thoughts on the gold thing is the supply is low because the goldbot companies don't make jack on venus and the price is low because not as many people buy it.

Death, if you took the time to ask them if they had more customers on Xian than Venus you could've spared yourself the trouble of coming to a broken conclusion. They have less customers on Venus, just ask in chat.

What's to prove It's common sense IMO. And Yes, All servers have 1028 legits exactly I totally agree....

BTW um wuts WOW got to do with it Am I not allowed to play both?


I'd say your pretty much right.

That fine tonight I'll return there and speak with one of the members through their on site chat. Their exchange person is next to dragon in every server. If I have to I'll fraps different servers hours at a time. You all can see how many trips the seller makes over a period of 2 months. Would that be proof enough? Oh and the only trips they make to stable is to exchange for gold.


2 days ago
Xian 2b in stock / 3.74$ per 10m
Venus 300m in stock / 2.35$ per 10m
Mercury 150m in stock / 2.14 per 10m
1 days ago
Xian 2.2b in stock / 3.74$ per 10m
Venus 510m in stock / 2.48$ per 10m
Mercury 50m in stock / 2.44$ per 10m
Today
Xian 2.7b in stock / 3.78$ per 10m
Venus 250m in stock / 2.44$ per 10m
Mercury 250m in stock / 2.36$ per 10m
Ill keep going and post at the end of the month, I will also post then with the conversations with 4 gold sellers saying they get their most business from the lowest priced servers. They know alot of people buy gold, and they have to compete with the other companies. ANyways, as I said before Ill post with screens and all but wait a month and compare to the videos, convos, and prices. If I am wrong in the end, Ill apol;ogize for acting stupid. We shall see.

^ You know that stock also depends on how many gold bots are on that server right Not all the bans equal out to the same number of gold bots.

Death, don't generalize. You are disregarding exceptions, there are exceptions to everything. Be Specific when you ask them, type. "Does Xian have more customers than Venus." It may take some talking but eventually you'll get yes. These exceptions to common place rules are known as "Phenomena" or "The Unexplained", in this case there is a definitive explanation. One that you're ignoring. The rules of supply and demand state that as demand rises, so do prices. Another matter to factor is: Other companies. Gold selling is a competitive market, If Other companies sell their stock on Mercury low (because of the high demand and market competition), the Logical move would be to undercut them. Hence the Low prices on Mercury. Another matter you're not factoring in is L:C ratio. If you check the Venus section, Fly has a thread explaining the ratio of L:C. C clearly outnumbers L. There could be a greater concentration of Legits on Venus, but there are still Cheaters. These cheaters skew your results greatly, and your post has yet to prove how many Legits Venus has. How easy is it to find a Legit Guild or Union on Venus in comparison to Xian? How Many Legit Guilds or Unions are there on Venus in Comparison to other servers? I believe there was a thread listing Legit guilds, posted by "ThisIsAvalon" and Venus had the most. You can not determine the amount of Legits in a server based on the amount of Cheaters. C=/=L.

Look at this: http://silkroadaddiction.com/wiki/Guilds:Venus it is a list of guilds on Venus. These aren't all the Guilds but can you pinpoint the Legit ones?
Likewise with Xian: http://silkroadaddiction.com/wiki/Guilds:Xian

I remember clearly, there were more Legit guilds on Venus than on other servers. Venus even beats out its contemporaries.

You dont have to an ecomomist to get Supply and Demand and you dont have to be a psychologist to see what's up here. Death failed on Venus.

*shrug*

Everyone knows Venus has more legits than any other server. We have two VERY large unions to prove it. No other server has that. The botters are weak here, they dont have a strong union, they dont have even a strong guild. They are broken and silent.

Soon tho, we will have a large enough legit community to have REAL wars. Its been so long since we have had real ppl to fight and not sorry, sad pathetic bots. Venus was so easy, i cant figure out why we are the only ones who have been able to do it.

@nightbloom
Not enough legits left to do it again.

I really think SRO could be just 3-5 servers at most.

@JesusLOL I don't know why you are quoting what a gold seller has said when english is obviously not their first language it holds no relevance as their english understanding is sooooo limited.

Yes, they don't speak fluent english. But i think "no, a little" is understandable, right? They obv mean, that they have small amount of customers for Venus, hence the low gold prices. Also deathtoall, they have less gold for venus in stock, because no one buys it, so they don't need to have much. Xian is full with goldbuyers, that's why they can allow themself to raise the gold prices, venus has few goldbuyers, that's why they cant raise the gold prices, because no one buys the gold anyway, so why raise it? It's simple, high demand = high prices, low demand = low prices.

xian = high demand = high prices
venus = low demand = low prices

Venus prices are the the median.