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 Post subject: A simple way to stop scamming while buying SOSUN
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 4:51 am 
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Basically, every other day, i heard people getting scammed because the god damn joymax set the trade limit at 100m and 1 billion.

I do believe that they wont go up for the cap anymore but since the sosun items are all going over 1 billion, what can we do?

Simple. Basically get the idiots at joymax to set up a new NPC , selling Special items for 100million and the resale price at 100%, or even 95% if they want to suck out some gold.

So when theres the npc, if you are going to buy something for 5 billion, instead of buying 4 pots at 1 billion each and risk getting scammed, all you need to do is to buy 50 of that special item from the NPC and just trade it. After that, the guy with the special items just need to sell it to get the cash and everyone live happily after.

Only problem is.. whether joymax can be bothered to do such a simple thing.

Edit : Seems like alot of people cant be bothered reading everything so to everyone who is gonna suggest raise the trade limit to 10b or whatever, you cant do that without a major change. Its just not possible.


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 Post subject: Re: A simple way to stop scamming while buying SOSUN
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Or you buy sun items that worth a bil and trade the guy and buy the items back for a bil each.

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Sun Chest, Shoulders, Gloves, Legs worths = like.. 4bil? for Sun Sword. Your items in trade and his sword in trade.

You buy each sun item for a bil each. No scam.

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 Post subject: Re: A simple way to stop scamming while buying SOSUN
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Or you buy sun items that worth a bil and trade the guy and buy the items back for a bil each.

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Sun Chest, Shoulders, Gloves, Legs worths = like.. 4bil? for Sun Sword. Your items in trade and his sword in trade.

You buy each sun item for a bil each. No scam.


True but theres still many guy who insist on buying pots for 1 billion lol.

And buying those items would take up time as well.


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 Post subject: Re: A simple way to stop scamming while buying SOSUN
PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 5:15 am 
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Or you buy sun items that worth a bil and trade the guy and buy the items back for a bil each.

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Sun Chest, Shoulders, Gloves, Legs worths = like.. 4bil? for Sun Sword. Your items in trade and his sword in trade.

You buy each sun item for a bil each. No scam.


True but theres still many guy who insist on buying pots for 1 billion lol.

And buying those items would take up time as well.


Uhh.. yeah.. but I also forgot to mention that only works if you have the items already. It'd be pretty hard if you're buying the parts for around 4bil and buying the parts back for 4bil. Unless you got like 10bil sitting in your inventory.

Only downside to that.. XD

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Because Joymax never meant for things to be sold at a over a bill price, it's all the players fault so don't whine to JM.


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Its their last defense against gold buyers. Inb4 I MAKE 1B LEGIT EASY. 90% of people with 1b+ imo, are gold buyers. Let them get scammed.


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 Post subject: Re: A simple way to stop scamming while buying SOSUN
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You say your way is a simple way... I know an even more simple way that will take less work on Joymax's part.

Make the trade cap and stalling cap unlimited.

Problem solved.

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 Post subject: Re: A simple way to stop scamming while buying SOSUN
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You say your way is a simple way... I know an even more simple way that will take less work on blizzards part.

Make the trade cap and stalling cap unlimited.

Problem solved.



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 Post subject: Re: A simple way to stop scamming while buying SOSUN
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Lempi wrote:
You say your way is a simple way... I know an even more simple way that will take less work on blizzards part.

Make the trade cap and stalling cap unlimited.

Problem solved.


Every game have a limit to what they can trade. Its part of the coding stuff.

Im not the best at it but well i do know that by increasing a limit of something, the size of the thing will go up and there will be more lag if i aint wrong.


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 Post subject: Re: A simple way to stop scamming while buying SOSUN
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You say your way is a simple way... I know an even more simple way that will take less work on blizzards part.

Make the trade cap and stalling cap unlimited.

Problem solved.

this isn't WoW

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foudre wrote:
this isn't WoW

*cough* (Trys not to look like an idiot...)

I've been playing WoW alot recently, gimmi a break.

Also, its almost 8am and i havnt slept... For good reasons, that i wont go into to.

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And just for your info, WoW use a similar system to what i suggest.

They have those gold , silver etc thing.

For a certain amount of silver, they become gold in WoW.

Lets take our gold as their silver , and their gold as our "special item aka bank note".

For every 100 million you have, you can get a bank note.


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 Post subject: Re: A simple way to stop scamming while buying SOSUN
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RUMS wrote:
Lempi wrote:
You say your way is a simple way... I know an even more simple way that will take less work on blizzards part.

Make the trade cap and stalling cap unlimited.

Problem solved.


Every game have a limit to what they can trade. Its part of the coding stuff.

Im not the best at it but well i do know that by increasing a limit of something, the size of the thing will go up and there will be more lag if i aint wrong.


Yes if you increase the limit, something will go up, the limit that is. Normally they should be able to increase the limit to at least 4bil without problem. Same applies for the normal trade exchange. The problem is that if you increase the limit the prices will increase as well because people will be able to sell stuff for more money without bothering.

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Lempi wrote:
You say your way is a simple way... I know an even more simple way that will take less work on Joymax's part.

Make the trade cap and stalling cap unlimited.

Problem solved.


I agree. Why do they even have a limit? Clearly by selling 89 and 90 pieces you can make over 1 Billion gold. It's their fault that items are over priced by allowing botting. In my opinion, they should make it unlimited.

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Lempi wrote:
You say your way is a simple way... I know an even more simple way that will take less work on Joymax's part.

Make the trade cap and stalling cap unlimited.

Problem solved.


Wat you said is harder to code than what RUMS had proposed.

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Cerus wrote:
Lempi wrote:
You say your way is a simple way... I know an even more simple way that will take less work on Joymax's part.

Make the trade cap and stalling cap unlimited.

Problem solved.


Wat you said is harder to code than what RUMS had proposed.


Is it REALLY that HARD to code in order to make it unlimited? Or at least up to 10B. If anyone selling sun this cap for over 10B gold they are out of their minds.

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OTG wrote:
Cerus wrote:
Lempi wrote:
You say your way is a simple way... I know an even more simple way that will take less work on Joymax's part.

Make the trade cap and stalling cap unlimited.

Problem solved.


Wat you said is harder to code than what RUMS had proposed.


Is it REALLY that HARD to code in order to make it unlimited? Or at least up to 10B. If anyone selling sun this cap for over 10B gold they are out of their minds.

Simple answer, No.

All you would need to change is a couple of lines of code to allow an extra digit or 2.

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I don't think u remember me lol XD
I don't know if u're the person i think u're.
Alps, Deathgods, BogeyBot, Aania, Ben, Spitfire... ring any bell?

Edit: I still think its easier to code what RUMS said than to add the trade limit. Its not just edit of 1-2 lines of codes...

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 Post subject: Re: A simple way to stop scamming while buying SOSUN
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Usually it's a 32bit integer for ALL games, so the highest number is 2^32 (around 4.3 billion); reason being is because there is not enough memory to store the number . Though it applies to anything that requires representing the number as a single integer, i.e. trading, I think Joymax is trying to avoid the billions digit entirely for simplicity in programming.

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Wat you said is harder to code than what RUMS had proposed.


Is it REALLY that HARD to code in order to make it unlimited? Or at least up to 10B. If anyone selling sun this cap for over 10B gold they are out of their minds.

Simple answer, No.

All you would need to change is a couple of lines of code to allow an extra digit or 2.


Then I don't see why it can't be done. In Sparta this noob Egyptian named Vokor has been scamming and stealing suns left and right. He has TWO! Sun Spears and like tons of 8D Sun. I think he's been aiming for a sun glavie. I know he pretends to sell the sun spear for a few couple of billions.

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Then I don't see why it can't be done. In Sparta this noob Egyptian named Vokor has been scamming and stealing suns left and right. He has TWO! Sun Spears and like tons of 8D Sun. I think he's been aiming for a sun glavie. I know he pretends to sell the sun spear for a few couple of billions.


Becaues this is Joymax that we're talking about?

If they couldnt be bothered to change the spelling error from "Muwhang's Frozne Glaive", i guess it can be expected.


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Then I don't see why it can't be done. In Sparta this noob Egyptian named Vokor has been scamming and stealing suns left and right. He has TWO! Sun Spears and like tons of 8D Sun. I think he's been aiming for a sun glavie. I know he pretends to sell the sun spear for a few couple of billions.


Becaues this is Joymax that we're talking about?

If they couldnt be bothered to change the spelling error from "Muwhang's Frozne Glaive", i guess it can be expected.


Not every game is perfect, especially when you expect so much from a free game.

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Then I don't see why it can't be done. In Sparta this noob Egyptian named Vokor has been scamming and stealing suns left and right. He has TWO! Sun Spears and like tons of 8D Sun. I think he's been aiming for a sun glavie. I know he pretends to sell the sun spear for a few couple of billions.


Becaues this is Joymax that we're talking about?

If they couldnt be bothered to change the spelling error from "Muwhang's Frozne Glaive", i guess it can be expected.


Not every game is perfect, especially when you expect so much from a free game.


If someone bought even 1 silk, they can be considered a paying customer and its widely accepted that you should expect better services when you are paying for their service.


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Basically, every other day, i heard people getting scammed because the god damn joymax set the trade limit at 100m and 1 billion.

I do believe that they wont go up for the cap anymore but since the sosun items are all going over 1 billion, what can we do?

Simple. Basically get the idiots at joymax to set up a new NPC , selling Special items for 100million and the resale price at 100%, or even 95% if they want to suck out some gold.

So when theres the npc, if you are going to buy something for 5 billion, instead of buying 4 pots at 1 billion each and risk getting scammed, all you need to do is to buy 50 of that special item from the NPC and just trade it. After that, the guy with the special items just need to sell it to get the cash and everyone live happily after.

Only problem is.. whether joymax can be bothered to do such a simple thing.

or they could just increase the trade limit to 10 bil :roll:

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Basically, every other day, i heard people getting scammed because the god damn joymax set the trade limit at 100m and 1 billion.

I do believe that they wont go up for the cap anymore but since the sosun items are all going over 1 billion, what can we do?

Simple. Basically get the idiots at joymax to set up a new NPC , selling Special items for 100million and the resale price at 100%, or even 95% if they want to suck out some gold.

So when theres the npc, if you are going to buy something for 5 billion, instead of buying 4 pots at 1 billion each and risk getting scammed, all you need to do is to buy 50 of that special item from the NPC and just trade it. After that, the guy with the special items just need to sell it to get the cash and everyone live happily after.

Only problem is.. whether joymax can be bothered to do such a simple thing.

or they could just increase the trade limit to 10 bil :roll:


If you even bothered reading half the thread, you would have realise that increasing the cap to 10 billion would not really be possible unless they drastically change things.


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Or just ban the goldbuyers/sellers and the prices will go down to a point where it should be : )

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not my problem :D not like ill ever have a sun <3
if i buy a 500-700m wep its more then enough for me ^^ 1 bil max for a +9 is ok aswell, woul'nd ever pay more then 2 bil or w/e for a sun, if its from a person i dont know/trust, if it is, its even more simple :P

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Its their last defense against gold buyers. Inb4 I MAKE 1B LEGIT EASY. 90% of people with 1b+ imo, are gold buyers. Let them get scammed.


whoever said Joymax was against gold selling? lol if i'd known better, they're prob'ly even supporting it coz these gold bots are on premiums i think XD

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Its their last defense against gold buyers. Inb4 I MAKE 1B LEGIT EASY. 90% of people with 1b+ imo, are gold buyers. Let them get scammed.


You're an idiot. Make 3 +7s and you made yourself a bil. You call that buying gold? Or getting a sun item/som weapon drop and sell it for <insert something that is around a bil> call that buying gold as well?

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