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_Sir_Thalas_
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Post subject: Fraud on Block Punishment!!! Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:04 am |
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Hi guys, well I open this topic because JM just banned me a old, but legit account "metalxdragon" And today after the sever weekenly inspection I tried to log in, but the block message appear on my screen... WHAT I CAN DO?!... nothing. I just want justice as I asume many of you also want... OK JM is fighting against bots, I have not any problem with it, but why also ban legit accounts?... Also, do JM really ban botter who buys silk?... a lot of ppl says, BUY SILK! U WON'T GET BANNED!... another mistery... It's just JM want us happy showing big bots list with banned accounts? no checking properly before ban anyone?... other games have data bases that shows who is really botting an WHO DON'T!... Well btw I will tell my story:
I created metalxdragon, like 2 years ago.. (my first acc BTW) I use to play with some characters in it, but I changed to other accounts (not banned BTW). Like 2 months ago I created a rouge X-bower called: XSirThalasX (I asume JM thought that was a botter by the name, Idk) in Pluto, then I quited that char. I started other in the same sever, but with other account. (I played both accounts on the same computer) 2 days ago, I started to play that rouge, I PASSED a WHOLE NIGHT lvling it!... also I was playing it before the inspection (EVEN played CTF many times in the last 2 days, HOW A BOTTER WOULD PLAY CTF EVENT?!!!). well... now u know the rest... why XSirThalasX got banned?... who knows.. I never bought silk, I never botted! You can see him banned on the list...
JM you really hurt me with this ban... now the message from SRO Home page:
Your account has currently been blocked from the game and from posting any messages on the homepage. Punishment Description Block Period : 7/29/2008 13:59 ~ 7/29/2108 13:59
well... I think I will have to wait 100 years to play again with it...
So, guys ... tell me opinions... and if u want... tell us ur story
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Bukakke
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Post subject: Re: Fraud on Block Punishment!!! Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:10 am |
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Wow your sig just gave me a convulsive seizure JM doesn't have real reason on who they are banning, i begin to wonder if it really is random. Theres really no pattern either on who they ban and who they don't, they simply do because they can and want to generate large numbers of banned chars.
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juesi
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Post subject: Re: Fraud on Block Punishment!!! Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:15 am |
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Ya, sad about all who got banned without no reason but, every1 who will press "no" opinion think how mutch work JM is doing to make ur gaming experience better. 33k bots banned, thats big number, i bet they don't have any automated system to figure whose are the goldbots and who is not. There are people working and banning the bots by the name so that's why there is and will be those "little" mistakes.
Try send bug report about ur ban, and luckily some1 will read it or maybe not.
or just Buy new networkcard or hax the mac address and boot ur router or call to ur internethost to change ur ip, then make new acc.
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Post subject: Re: Fraud on Block Punishment!!! Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:28 am |
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lol _Sir_Thalas_ your sig is giving me a seizure -.-
oh and JM's are a MYTH
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phulshof
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Post subject: Re: Fraud on Block Punishment!!! Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:36 am |
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juesi wrote: Buy new networkcard or hax the mac address and boot ur router or call to ur internethost to change ur ip, then make new acc.  Isn't anyone taking networking 101 these days? A MAC address is only used within a given IP network. Any router in the link between the two computers will replace the MAC address with its own MAC address, because packets are unpacked down to IP level. The only MAC address the iSRO servers see is the one from their own router.
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_BoBsk1ee_
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Post subject: Re: Fraud on Block Punishment!!! Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:37 am |
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juesi wrote: or just Buy new networkcard or hax the mac address and boot ur router or call to ur internethost to change ur ip, then make new acc.
His acc is blocked, not his ip. Or do i see this wrong ?
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Berto
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Post subject: Re: Fraud on Block Punishment!!! Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 7:37 am |
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Dude get rid of that sig. That poses risks of seizures for some people.
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Norain_
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Post subject: Re: Fraud on Block Punishment!!! Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:42 am |
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_Sir_Thalas_ wrote: (I played both accounts on the same computer) So simply you used multiclient?
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Post subject: Re: Fraud on Block Punishment!!! Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 10:51 am |
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Norain_ wrote: _Sir_Thalas_ wrote: (I played both accounts on the same computer) So simply you used multiclient? He proabably didnt meant on same time. Stop with stupid MC acussation.
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Klarabella
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Post subject: Re: Fraud on Block Punishment!!! Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:43 am |
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You know that your sig can give epileptic attacks?
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Pham
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Post subject: Re: Fraud on Block Punishment!!! Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 11:50 am |
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yes sig down ploz
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Norain_
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Post subject: Re: Fraud on Block Punishment!!! Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:07 pm |
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_Creep_ wrote: Norain_ wrote: _Sir_Thalas_ wrote: (I played both accounts on the same computer) So simply you used multiclient? He proabably didnt meant on same time. Stop with stupid MC acussation. 1, it wasnt aa accusation. He wrote he used both and he didnt say he didnt used them at the same time. 2. Forgot the number 2 
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ln
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Post subject: Re: Fraud on Block Punishment!!! Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:11 pm |
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*recovers from seizure* *wipes foams off mouth*
that sucks ... getting banned for doing nothing.
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Post subject: Re: Fraud on Block Punishment!!! Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:47 pm |
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You got pwned, just admit. Don't act like a p***y. 
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MrH
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Post subject: Re: Fraud on Block Punishment!!! Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 12:52 pm |
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phulshof wrote: juesi wrote: Buy new networkcard or hax the mac address and boot ur router or call to ur internethost to change ur ip, then make new acc.  Isn't anyone taking networking 101 these days? A MAC address is only used within a given IP network. Any router in the link between the two computers will replace the MAC address with its own MAC address, because packets are unpacked down to IP level. The only MAC address the iSRO servers see is the one from their own router. That is called a layer 2 rewrite. JM can still retrieve your MAC if they want to, and from whats been posted on the forums here, I believe they do.
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Ayoki
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Post subject: Re: Fraud on Block Punishment!!! Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 3:09 pm |
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lol yes they are doing a good job, but ofc it could be better (high lvl paying bots should be banned) people just deny that they have used programs or maybe they have let someone else use their account and that person did something and no, I don't think Joymax picks the banned users by hand It is surely an automated system and its quite simple let me give you examples how easy it is: nodc - Loader: the account tries to connect to the server again and again, much quicker than a normal user could, lets say the normal user takes 30 seconds and the nodc person can try every 15 seconds joymax runs a prog over their log files, user identified, he can try to connect every 15 seconds zomg! - identified! bots - as far as I know those bots dont control the mouse, so it is obviously packet based, at some point the bot will send wrong packets, minor bugs in the program, joymax can decide whether these wrong packets cause a disconnect or if they just tolerate it, to figure out who keeps sending wrong packets every once. ~ again, they can run a prog over their log files, users identified clientless ~ same thing as above applies, with the difference that the client normal people use gets regular updates, and may send new packets by itself in a newer version, or the packet format just gets modified a bit (remember when gold bots didnt pick up their gold anymore for a day or so?) - again - log files checking - users identified anything that interacts with the game is sooo easy to figure out for JM, they just dont ban their paying costumers, except if they want to make an example, so the others are scared and buy a bit more silk so that they are safe  people i know surprise me again and again when I hear about what kinda stuff they use related to sro, no its not just bots. flame me if you like lol, but what I said are only obvious conclusions connected with little knowledge about technology
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PR0METHEUS
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Post subject: Re: Fraud on Block Punishment!!! Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:18 pm |
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I think they're doing a pretty good job with the bot bans. However, it would be even better if we'd start seeing some high level player bots, especially capped sun bots, banned. I know someone that moved from Venice to Zeus and within a few months was capped at 80. She even told me she botted it. So far, I haven't seen her on a ban list.
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Glavie's Girl
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Post subject: Re: Fraud on Block Punishment!!! Posted: Tue Jul 29, 2008 4:33 pm |
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Ayoki wrote: they[Joymax] just dont ban their paying costumers
Oh but they do ban silk buyers as well...Here is an example in my server: An Aege Silk buyerJust to bad it wasn't a capped player, but meh take what we can get, I suppose. On a side thing does this not scream Bot Guild? Joymax should just ban the rest of the guild. oO
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_Sir_Thalas_
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Post subject: Re: Fraud on Block Punishment!!! Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:02 am |
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_Creep_ wrote: Norain_ wrote: _Sir_Thalas_ wrote: (I played both accounts on the same computer) So simply you used multiclient? He proabably didnt meant on same time. Stop with stupid MC acussation. lol, obviously I didn´t played both at the same time (multiclient) just wnat to specify that I used the same PC to play each account on different times XD...
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_Sir_Thalas_
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Post subject: Re: Fraud on Block Punishment!!! Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:06 am |
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Well... votes say the truth.. JM is doing a good job banning botters, but It's far to be a perfect job... Reading some other topics I see that many people got banned legits accounts and nobody knows why... anyway in that acc I just like 5m, so I have to smile  and forget... Thx to everyone who gives his contribution with his vote, cya all and happy grinding Ps: I just drop my problematic sig, sorry for the headache caused! 
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Post subject: Re: Fraud on Block Punishment!!! Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:44 am |
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_Sir_Thalas_ wrote: Well... votes say the truth.. JM is doing a good job banning botters, but It's far to be a perfect job... Reading some other topics I see that many people got banned legits accounts and nobody knows why... anyway in that acc I just like 5m, so I have to smile  and forfet... Thx to everyone who gives his contribution with his vote, cya all and happy grinding Ps: I just drop my problematic sig, sorry for the headache caused!  NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO i never got to see your problematic sig!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! send msg it 2 me =D
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_Sir_Thalas_
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Post subject: Re: Fraud on Block Punishment!!! Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 5:54 am |
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magisuns wrote: _Sir_Thalas_ wrote: Well... votes say the truth.. JM is doing a good job banning botters, but It's far to be a perfect job... Reading some other topics I see that many people got banned legits accounts and nobody knows why... anyway in that acc I just like 5m, so I have to smile  and forfet... Thx to everyone who gives his contribution with his vote, cya all and happy grinding Ps: I just drop my problematic sig, sorry for the headache caused!  NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO i never got to see your problematic sig!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! send msg it 2 me =D  too late...
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Post subject: Re: Fraud on Block Punishment!!! Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 8:19 am |
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WTF is the "Punishment Description"?
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Post subject: Re: Fraud on Block Punishment!!! Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 2:54 pm |
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piXie_niXie wrote: WTF is the "Punishment Description"? Thats the reason he got banned. Adds to the theory that joymax are banning people without a real reason - Because they dont list the reason, they just use, what is obviously the default messege.
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Post subject: Re: Fraud on Block Punishment!!! Posted: Thu Jul 31, 2008 4:51 pm |
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Knight_Ange1 wrote: Dude, my character named xNightBloomx was banned Last bot ban and that whole account was full 110% Legit. Maybe cuz I didn't buy silk.  But what if people who's poor and don't have money that can't buy silk, are they allowed to even play? Or, maybe its because they a pissed off at the amount of people with no originality and imagination, and instead just copy other peoples character names, with a few X's in it - Much like im pissed at those same people.
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Post subject: Re: Fraud on Block Punishment!!! Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:50 pm |
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Lol its official, my stall char lvl 10 just got banned without a warning, and it is a freekin stall char, never played on it or used bots.. But the funny thing is i can log on my acc, i can even post on forum and buy silk but cant get in game.. So now someone tell me how in the world it could happen 
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Post subject: Re: Fraud on Block Punishment!!! Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:05 pm |
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judaiskariot wrote: Lol its official, my stall char lvl 10 just got banned without a warning, and it is a freekin stall char, never played on it or used bots.. But the funny thing is i can log on my acc, i can even post on forum and buy silk but cant get in game.. So now someone tell me how in the world it could happen  Multiclient.. And yes i bet u have a 2nd computer u had lying around like everyone else too just too prove your legit and make a stall character.. plz get over yourself matter of fact all u tards need too. The "MAJORITY" of you all use some illegal programs but wont admit it. Not saying all soo dont get ur panties up in a bunch.
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Post subject: Re: Fraud on Block Punishment!!! Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:19 pm |
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roflsauce wrote: And yes i bet u have a 2nd computer u had lying around like everyone else too just too prove .
cheap comp to stall, i can see an addict doing it.
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