All the explanation you will get from me.

nightbloom · **Joined:** Jan 2006 **Posts:** 5492 **Location:**

Yes, that recording is of me... 2+ years ago at the opening of ElDorado. THC/D2A has been holding it over my head for years. He had my site and he made sure I knew that if I ever pissed him off, he would ruin me. He probably has even more stuff from back then. ^^ I tried to tiptoe around him, dodge the subject of D2A etc. I knew dealing with him was a gamble. He is no one's friend and he knew I didnt like him. Finally after finding out that not only did he own my site, in some ways, he owned me too, I decided not to be blackmailed anymore and just come what may, take my chances. I walked away from SRA and started over. Now he has posted everything and I am just glad it's not there looming over my head anymore. I am free.

As for that recording, what can I say. For a time we all just lost hope and gave it a try. I even discussed it with SuicideGirl and Ryoko at the time it happened, they are both well aware. I thought the game was tanking and there was no where to go but down. First Ryoko quit, then Fly threatened to quit if we didnt clean our shit up and get rid of people like Masterthee. While we argued about it, half of TE got banned. We decided to go straight and anyone who didnt want to was out. Masterthee, Elemental, Leipo, Mew and a few others left and we putzed around Xian for year but the game was dead to us all.

I reformatted my comp, downloaded a clean game and started new 2 years ago. Even D2A knows for a fact that is true. It doesnt really matter who believes it or who doesnt, people think what they want based on feelings, not on fact. I havent leveled without a full party since Euros came out. Im not going to beat myself up over it either. I did it and I knew it was bad. I stopped. You dont have to do it for very long to realize how bad it is.

So, believe D2A if you like. Im not going to sling mud or blame anyone. I did what I did and like many, many others, realized my mistake and made a clean break. I will not respond to this thread, i will not respond on this matter at all. If you want drama, go to SRA and get you a big steaming pile of it. ^^ Please, dont come knocking on my door. The people who know me well, know all about that time years ago. They were there.

As for the rest of what THC says... LOL I dont work because I inherited money. I am not rich but I am comfy. I am not disabled, but I fell down a flight of stairs and broke my leg and ankle and because I am also diabetic I didnt heal well or fast, I am now fully recoved. SRA barely made any money, $120 in ad revenue over a two year period. The money it did make was spent either on SRA itself which is intact, or on the new site which I feel is quite just as most of the donators are also members of the Confederation.

I do not want to bring Cruor into this, but I will say that thanks to him I was able to retrieve the parts of my site that I wanted after D2A shut me out. Fly and I may have built SRA, but Cruor really made it work well and I am so grateful for his help.

So there ya go folks... Hopefully the mods just lock this and not let it turn into a circus but Im sure that will happen anyways. Venus is still legit, the Confederation is still the best idea ever and I still love Fly. What more could a hardcore girl gamer want? TTFN

SoAyame · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 694 **Location:**

Well its good to "man" up to ur past. It really doesnt matter now I just wanted to know if it was u. You still got 120% respect for me for "man" up to ur past and making Venus what it is. O yea and that awesome Cleric guide I used.

Guardia · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 1187 **Location:**

I came to venus because of what u guys want to do in venus. I never knew any of you guys before venus. So, stories from 2 years ago doesnt effect how thankful i am to you guys. Keep it strong, choose ur friend wisely.

Phaidra · **Joined:** Jun 2008 **Posts:** 1142 **Location:** Not here

Old News

And 2 years is a damn long time. Don't even know why It's brought up.. 90 day rule.

sama98b · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 1428 **Location:**

Ppl often forget it what is mmorpg about, having fun playing together.
Who cares about the rest.

outlawz · **Joined:** Sep 2007 **Posts:** 165 **Location:**

Best of luck with the new site!!!

oOYunaOo · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 148 **Location:**

You can't consider yourself legit then...

once a botter always a botter.

ban imo

knucklehead · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 62 **Location:**

thank you for your public explanation.

yesterday u said:

nightbloom wrote:

OMG I dont have a softmod account and I have never given one to another person.

Since you admitted to it now being you in the past, is it possible for you to ask your friend in 0x33 to disable all of the accounts that were given by you?

thank you again an expalantion. lets all move forward.

Corrupt · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 548 **Location:**

Strong mind can quit, start over and do the right thing. The rest are stuck with the same old shit or have left the building.

Once a botter always a botter is only true for the addicts that can't stop.

Kewtie · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 413 **Location:**

I think I already read this book, but I like hearing the story again. =) Girlz Rule!

And I will personally vouch for nightbloom on this entire story as I have known about all of this for a long long long time. It is not what someone did 2 years ago, or even 371 days ago, it is what they did when venus opened that matters.

And if nightbloom should be banned, then I guess you might as well ban my husband Witchhazel while you are at it. He posted some months ago about his botting days on Venice before we came to Venus. And he has been legit on Venus. But I guess not enough people hated him enough back then to make it an issue. Lets remember that we decided to let people have a new start, and we continue to give people a chance. That is something amazing all in itself.

The past is the past..... Venus was the future, and it still is.

salmissra · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 1487 **Location:**

oOYunaOo wrote:

You can't consider yourself legit then...

once a botter always a botter.

ban imo

gtfo please.

and yay for telling us the full story. and yes i don't really care what happened in the past seeing how both nb/fly are awesome legits now in venus.

Bread_Fish · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 250 **Location:**

in that same audio clip she said "i dont care if you bot just dont let me catch you afk"

as far as im concerned she's just a babysitter now...

WitchHazel · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 422 **Location:**

oOYunaOo wrote:

You can't consider yourself legit then...

once a botter always a botter.

ban imo

you better ban me too

D2A can't eat my ass too.. worthless

Panu · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 3536 **Location:** Around

oOYunaOo wrote:

You can't consider yourself legit then...

once a botter always a botter.

ban imo

SUCK MY BALLZ BITCH

... i love drama. i'll stop spamming now

knucklehead · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 62 **Location:**

I personally think that nightbloom is legit. however in the audio recording:

nightbloom wrote:

I've been using bots and scripts of one kind or another since I first start gaming

that brings me some concern. nightbloom, can you swear to god to the public that you are currently completely clean, and not secretly running any goldbots?

I also think that SRF should be in a forgiving mood. We should also just get rid of the clear the ban list and give everyone a clean chance. Unban Vandango, Deacon, Cerus, and many other cool mods and members. It would be unjust to leave them banned.

Kewtie · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 413 **Location:**

Bread_Fish wrote:

in that same audio clip she said "i dont care if you bot just dont let me catch you afk"

as far as im concerned she's just a babysitter now...

I am starting to puke in my mouth at these sort of statements.

Gronic · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 467 **Location:**

knucklehead wrote:

I personally think that nightbloom is legit. however in the audio recording:

nightbloom wrote:

I've been using bots and scripts of one kind or another since I first start gaming

that brings me some concern. nightbloom, can you swear to god to the public that you are currently completely clean, and not secretly running any goldbots?

I also think that SRF should be in a forgiving mood. We should also just get rid of the clear the ban list and give everyone a clean chance. Unban Vandango, Deacon, Cerus, and many other cool mods and members. It would be unjust to leave them banned.

There bots.

RiceFarmer · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 342 **Location:**

I just see this as a "must make the situation look minor to save my rep".

If it was any other person I wouldn't give a toss, if you admitted that you botted in the past before you started the whole venus thing I wouldn't of given a toss. But you Fly and others made out that you were 100% legit from day one, and hated on all those that weren't. That's just plain hypocritical. No respect from me.

Fly · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 2114 **Location:**

Bread_Fish wrote:

in that same audio clip she said "i dont care if you bot just dont let me catch you afk"

as far as im concerned she's just a babysitter now...

so she is babysitting a pure cleric in a 8/8 party?

lul

knucklehead · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 62 **Location:**

Also, I think nightbloom and Fly should make a public apology for lying to the public and deceiving us all these time that they never bot and never have a softmod account, the perfect model legit that everyone should follow, and were "always 100% legit". I appreciate nightbloom honesty, but an apology to the public is needed, not just an explanation to cover themselves.

They helped created the Exposed Botter section through cleverness. When the EB section began, before the 90 day rule that were recent. MANY people who quit the game got banned. Many good contributing people who stopped playing the game and posted in the Off Topic section got banned. And others who got banned for outdated evidence. I dont think we should ban fly or nightbloom. but in order for that to be justify, we need to clear the ban list also so people will not cry favoritism or special treatment.

just delete all the people from the ban list.

also i dont believe that mods should ban people for bringing up this issue, like in the other topic. i know its not the intention but it only suggest that mods are friendly to nightbloom and fly and ban people to press for the truth. those who got ban should be reversed.

just my 2 cents.

Judge · **Posted:** Mon Nov 24, 2008 4:56 am

What a show; truly devoted participants! BRAVISSIMO!

Fly · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 2114 **Location:**

knucklehead wrote:

Also, I think nightbloom and Fly should make a public apology for lying to the public and deceiving us all these time that they never bot and never have a softmod account, the perfect model legit that everyone should follow, and were "always 100% legit". I appreciate nightbloom honesty, but an apology to the public is needed, not just an explanation to cover themselves.

They helped created the Exposed Botter section through cleverness. When the EB section began, before the 90 day rule that were recent. MANY people who quit the game got banned. Many good contributing people who stopped playing the game and posted in the Off Topic section got banned. And others who got banned for outdated evidence. I dont think we should ban fly or nightbloom. but in order for that to be justify, we need to clear the ban list also so people will not cry favoritism or special treatment.

just delete all the people from the ban list.

just my 2 cents.

just to be clear, im not in those recordings. night is the chick. ice is the loud annoying one with the bad mic, and dark is the quiet one u can barely hear.

Berto · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 835 **Location:**

Wow...interesting. But who cares, 2 years ago doesn't mean shit for today. I remember building MaliceArmy where people came from all sorts of servers and past histories, none of which influenced the legit powerhouse union that it was, and I was proud.
Botting histories shouldn't affect a current reputation either, for people change and I know the feeling of being blackmailed. It fcking sucks.
And don't give that once a bot always a bot bullshit. It's a game for christs sakes, don't be a sore loser.

Grimjaw · **Posted:** Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:05 am

Such a shame.

You were special once, and I thought pretty high of you. That's not based on achievements or the attained level of your character, but on the merit of your posts and will to stay true to yourself. And your will to fight for something if you deemed it worthy enough, personal attacks against yourself never managed to tick you off, and you never ran from a fight. I liked the video's you once posted about how Fly met nightbloom and how, over time, even you, created various romantically defending posts, while still posting how nobody likes you because you spoke your mind all the time, how people would dislike you for the person who you really are. What happened to that girl, did she became automated as well? I like to think not, but you have been playing a doomed game from the start and it was also doomed to fail. You failed hard now, the more you expand a thing, the harder it is to control it. When your grasp exceeds your own hands, it might turn around and grab you on your own neck.

You knew this and played along, this is where you fail for me, not in the above sentences.

I remember someone claimed he had proof of you botting once, and made a topic about it, naturally your name brings chaos and drama wherever you go. I read that thread and thought to myself, this is not fair, she doesn't deserve this much personal flaming, the proof was not even clear or sufficient enough, yet they kept flame baiting.

I remember I stuck up for you then, ran to the front of the lines and took a stance, all out of the blue blazing sky, set a world record that day, felt like I did something noble, something old school heroic for a girl, no, a fellow sro player.

Then over time you began to change, I noticed it in your posts and behavior. And it seemed as if nightbloom just forgot about herself and started to encase herself in "Imma empress of sro noobs, and you will all yield to my will" or "I collect smart people" to help you out when the shit would hit the fan, you could always count on their ingenuity to save yourself, to take you, and the whole shit pile which had been ousted over you, down and delete it.

But now that ship has sailed, and now here you are, with nothing more then your thread full of QQ.

I liked you once and while I liked and respected the person behind nightbloom more then nightbloom the sro character.. I cannot help but to think ill about you now, you have defied the very thing you once claimed to uphold, and did so with great wrath and vengeance. Against many who were now proven right, many you seduced, tricked, or arranged for mods and even admins to take matters in their own hands, that was not fair.. For that I will never respect you again.

You could have become so much for so many people, yet after all that time and all those words you said and typed.. What remains of that glory, is nothing more then a empty shell.

Now get you ass out of here botter, you are in rule violation.

Berto · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 835 **Location:**

Grimjaw wrote:

Such a shame.

You were special once, and I thought pretty high of you. That's not based on achievements or the attained level of your character, but on the merit of your posts and will to stay true to yourself. And your will to fight for something if you deemed it worthy enough, personal attacks against yourself never managed to tick you off, and you never ran from a fight. I liked the video's you once posted about how Fly met nightbloom and how, over time, even you, created various romantically defending posts, while still posting how nobody likes you because you spoke your mind all the time, how people would dislike you for the person who you really are. What happened to that girl, did she became automated as well? I like to think not, but you have been playing a doomed game from the start and it was also doomed to fail. You failed hard now, the more you expand a thing, the harder it is to control it. When your grasp exceeds your own hands, it might turn around and grab you on your own neck.

You knew this and played along, this is where you fail for me, not in the above sentences.

I remember someone claimed he had proof of you botting once, and made a topic about it, naturally your name brings chaos and drama wherever you thread. I read that thread and thought to myself, this is not fair, she doesn't deserve this much personal flaming, the proof was not even clear or sufficient enough, yet they kept flame baiting.

I remember I stuck up for you then, ran to the front of the lines and took a stance, all out of the blue blazing sky, set a world record that day, felt like I did something noble, something old school heroic for a girl, no, a fellow sro player.

Then over time you began to change, I noticed it in your posts and behavior. And it seemed as if nightbloom just forgot about herself and started to encase herself in "Imma empress of sro noobs, and you will all yield to my will" or "I collect smart people" to help you out when the shit would hit the fan, you could always count on their ingenuity to save yourself, to take you, and the whole shit pile which had been ousted over you, down and delete it.

But now that ship has sailed, and now here you are, with nothing more then your thread full of QQ.

I liked you once and while I liked and respected the person behind nightbloom more then nightbloom the sro character.. I cannot help but to think ill about you now, you have defied the very thing you once claimed to uphold, and did so with great wrath and vengeance. against many who were now proven right, many you seduced, tricked, or arranged for mods and even admins to take matters in their own hands, that was not fair.. For that I will never respect you again.

You could have become so much for so many people, yet after all that time and all those words you said and typed.. What remains of that glory, is nothing more then a empty shell.

Now get you ass out of here botter, you are in rule violation.

Did all those movies get into your head? So what if someone botted 2 years ago, it doesn't mean ones words are to be forever tarnished up until today. People like you disgust me, the ones that sit on the sideline while the others accomplish something. And btw Grim, there is no violation as there a 90 day rule.

PS your E-hero is showing, and shows an embarrassing foolish side to you.

Doppleganger · **Posted:** Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:15 am

So if people that were banned in the "Exposed botters" section can say they don't bot anymore, they will get unbanned? lol

Argonaut · **Joined:** Jun 2008 **Posts:** 1162 **Location:**

Doppleganger wrote:

So if people that were banned in the "Exposed botters" section can say they don't bot anymore, they will get unbanned? lol

99% of them wont. If that 1% decides to truly start over legit, i'm sure something could be worked out.

Doppleganger · **Posted:** Mon Nov 24, 2008 5:19 am

Argonaut wrote:

Doppleganger wrote:

So if people that were banned in the "Exposed botters" section can say they don't bot anymore, they will get unbanned? lol

99% of them wont. If that 1% decides to truly start over legit, i'm sure something could be worked out.

99% of them will, If all it takes to not get banned is saying " i don't do it anymore" then you bet your ass everyone is going to use it. Give me a break lol

knucklehead · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 62 **Location:**

Grimjaw wrote:

Such a shame.

I liked you once and while I liked and respected the person behind nightbloom more then nightbloom the sro character.. I cannot help but to think ill about you now, you have defied the very thing you once claimed to uphold, and did so with great wrath and vengeance. against many who were now proven right, many you seduced, tricked, or arranged for mods and even admins to take matters in their own hands, that was not fair.. For that I will never respect you again.

Now get you ass out of here botter, you are in rule violation.

It does seem that they are admitting to some accusations because they are trying to save their behind. what they did in SRF all these years, denying and getting many people ban is deplorable given what they done. in the recording, it was stated they have botted char in El Dorado and others server. so if it was true, then the Exposed Botter section that they brag to help create was open to the public very shortly after the recording which makes it hypocritical.

if it wasn't for the recent 90 rules, then they would have guaranteed to suffer the same fate as everyone else if the recording were release a few months ago. but this is a special case and it need to be considered carefully. i am confident that after the mods deliberate, they will make a fair decision ruling.

Mousetrap · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 817 **Location:**

just lol.
to bots who know you, the fly&NB duo are nolife legits.
to legits who know you, the fly&NB duo are / were role models.

how does the 90 day thing apply, btw? If two years ago you TOLD SG and Ryoko about it and they did nothing (I wasn't here then, were they? blahblah)

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