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well i was thinking WTH is wrong with lock, i mean the build is great for a SUBCLASS but im not sure about a main class.

Warlock has the one thing with it DEBUFFS and yea thats pretty much it
well...debuffs totally own but pretty much the entire tree is all debuffs. I never really see any topics about a warlock as a main class its usually only used as a subclass for a 1h warrior. Seriously what else can a lock do? the attacks for it are pretty much crap, and if your thinking this guy is insane well..

heres probably the best attack LVL 80 DARK BREATH 1054~1289(+37%)

well thats terrible ... theres another attack it might be better

LVL 50 DEATH FLOWER 406~496 (215%)levels to 11

Really I dont understand how this is a CASTER tree IMO this should be a buff tree or they should fix it to do some good attacks (maybe change the % on the last attack to around 200% or something) but this build clearly requires alot of weapon switching with another class.

Why does warrior,wiz and rogue get a ton of attacks but warlock gets only 2-3 at there level it doesnt make sense. Even with the help of debuffs i dont see how a warlock could hit as much as an int should or even a str in most cases.

Honestly how do you win in pvp if your not hitting anything.. maybe with a cleric subclass you could debuff then offering and vampire kiss then absolute damage or something you cant really create a pure warlock though becuase you couldnt cause enough damage to kill anyone...GRRR

this is probably a pointless post anyways -.- im so bored tho

A debuffed char at 90 gets like ~10k nukes from a lock. Together with trap (around 9k dmg when it explodes) and the DoT's (like 1.5-2k dmg? each hit times 2 for 12 secs). It's pretty strong I tell ya.

Their attacks are weak because they aren't meant for a quick kill. They are meant for debuffing then using those "crap" attacks, which makes the attacks as good as or even better than the attacks of other classes.

When you get to 90 FF the warlock main is amazing.

Debuffs / Wheel bind / hidden/sleep. Then the DOT's each doing over 2k a hit for 20 seconds.

So:

DoT's with absolute damage for 20 seconds + wheelbind + nukes that hit so much harder with full debuffs +- 12k a hit. Which is all you need if your opponent can;t get to you and or heal himself.

stupid thread
warlock is a great build

warlock is one of the best builds out there.

i remmeber when i use to play on my friends lv 60 warlock.

i would cast stun on the guy, add debuffs. then DoTs, and finish it up with some nukes

I can tell you didn't think this through.

You need to rephrase yourself.

One word,

Control

If you control the enemy, why would you need high damage?!

Whenever I jump into pvp, botters (all builds) go in safe zone and after that they dissapear.

Farmed warlock is a serious business.

*cough* ego *cough*

does anyone have vids cuz im not feeling it right no

*cough* experience *cough*

You're entitled to an opinion, but really you're missing the value of the warlock skills. Warlock is 100% tactics and... not so much firepower. You've got 3 or 4 attack stoppers and loads of offensive debuffs for a reason. Don't feel like writing too much right now ^_^

I couldn't have said it better. Thank you.

My friend is farmed warlock. 90lvl SUN set only sos chest, SUN warlock rod, and he isnt noob he know how to play his character. But when we pvp (im 90 FF +5 +6 set)no matter if im using sun xbow or 85+7 I win mostly. When I put holy spell there is not much he can do. I hit him with distance 9-10k no extreme so only 2k hp left. But when I dont use holy spell he own me, only lucky crit can save me.
Its shame that one skill fuckt up all build.

Whee



I agree that Holy Spell is the devil.
It makes sense that everyone can win against warlock when you can't use sleep or impotent, which are vital for defense against strong enemies. Holy spell cuts the effectiveness of a warlock build by 50% or more that way and can really spell doom for one, since warlock build really is about stalling your enemy until you can poke them to death with small fry nukes



I also feel that this requires a response . Warlocks only need the 6 or so attacks that are essential for killing. Two of these attacks do a small amount of absolute damage (Vampire skills), two are plain nukes, and two are DOT moves (only 2 can be used at once). Disregarding the nukes, the Vampire and DoT series are strategically important for both pve and pve. Pvp is not won by nuking with big damage numbers; there is a considerable chance that an INT Warlock can get a kill without ever being touched once and without ever launching a nuke at all.



@Raphael, post below:
You are correct but the possibilities of fighting an enemy with holy spell are very, very limited. Panic and DoT twice is the best course of action but you are probably not going to get anywhere by nuking when the enemy is a STR build. You are reduced to taking full damage without impotent, sleep is nullified, causing you to rely on two stuns (if you have shield trash, this will help tremendously), and you do much less than usual without Division/Weaken. Offering is a viable way to quickly kill the enemy.



You are also completely correct in the sense that the skill multipliers are pretty damn low. I noticed, truthfully, that Chinese nukers five levels below me can KS very easily because they do a lot more. The nukes are meant to be weak, I think.

But the skill you pointed out, Dark Breath, is not weak at all. If you read a little more in depth, then you notice that it lasts for 20 seconds with the passive and hits once per second. You are allowed to put two DoT skills on an enemy. At 90, with a mediocre weapon, a single tick from a DoT will inflict around 1500 - 2000 damage per second. With two DoTs ticking at once, you are hitting 3000 - 4000 per second. With division and weaken, it is amplified to 5000 - 6000 per second. 5000 - 6000 damage per second multiplied by 20 seconds is a whole lot of damage. Not only that, the DoTs give statuses such as Bleed and Dull. Do you think they are still useless? (Not to mention, Dark Breath is an AOE, and you can stack AOEs on single targets with splash effect to give more than two DoTs at once)

I just wrote too much >< Time to be quiet.

Yeah, but apart from that they just simply own. And I believe that there are ways for warlocks to fight against holy word.

Who is in your ava?

Also Lock owns.

I heared that HolyWord has been weakened in Ksro, so its not 100 immun anymore, only 50% or so. If thats true, I hope we will get that update too.

REALY any1 can confirm this? pls answer fast

here are the vids.. this guy owned vortex1337 (FULL SUN WARRIOR) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UYjKXbG ... c=1&sf=all

and this video shows how a warlock can grind solo.
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=37DRHEKB7 ... re=related

If I see another warlock having to use sleep bug in pvp I will go nuts.

+1

Warlocks who use the sleep bug are weak. xP At 72 and underfarmed, there are few people my level and all the way up until 76 that can beat me. People who think Warlocks are weak are going to be very surprised when those dots that do so little damage compared to the single shot of a Wizard, drill down their hp to the point that they lose the fight.

Haha idd..It's not really hard using that bug/glitch xD (Not that I don't use it but meh)

Rofl... Lock is one hell of a class... Its good only for a sub? When was the last time you watched an expirienced Lock in action? I can tell you this - Theres nothing more dangerous then an well expirienced Lock / Cleric...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE0pqCe8678 any1 can tell me first song name Plox

Guano Apes - Open your eyes

I agree that it's lame but it's also pretty bad that warriors, a class that should do low damage and have high survivability, can one shot nearly any other class. If you're fighting someone who can kill you in a single skill but you have the ability to disable them, why wouldn't you?

+1 to mango why other class biulds can use inv, LF,DD ,offering etc to 1 hit kill other ppls why we cant use skills to kill them. and its not lame >.>

and why is it called a "bug" anyway ? -.-

the pre D9-stun was a bug
spamming 15s pills in less than 1s intervalls is a bug
doing a skill while knocked down is a bug
doing a skill while stunned is a bug

but ya the (imo well designed) trap+sleep combo is a bug too...

so call me a noob i use this "bug" whenever i can *waiting for flames*