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 Post subject: Weapon magical atack reflect
PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:08 pm 
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On cleric's healing skills, what exactly does it do ?
Would it affact my selfhealing abilities if i use a low level sos rod instead off a 85+5 ? :)

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 Post subject: Re: Weapon magical atack reflect
PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:19 pm 
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You mean at healing-skills? I think this:
Ths healing skill(like Holy Group Recovery) got a basic heal like 6.000 HP.
If your Weapon has 2.000 Mag. att, this gets multiplied by three(300%).
So it heals like 12.000 HP.

But I´m soooo unsure about that...

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 Post subject: Re: Weapon magical atack reflect
PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:20 pm 
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I am curious about it too... The deaggro skill warlocks have has that same reflect on it.

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 Post subject: Re: Weapon magical atack reflect
PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:25 pm 
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some bard skills have it as well, like the mana replenising ones.

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 Post subject: Re: Weapon magical atack reflect
PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:48 pm 
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NeverNighTz wrote:
You mean at healing-skills? I think this:
Ths healing skill(like Holy Group Recovery) got a basic heal like 6.000 HP.
If your Weapon has 2.000 Mag. att, this gets multiplied by three(300%).
So it heals like 12.000 HP.

But I´m soooo unsure about that...


Mh, if the difference would be that big it'dd be well known i guess O.o
Anyone who can either confirm this, or is sure about how it truely is ?^^

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 Post subject: Re: Weapon magical atack reflect
PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 7:50 pm 
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LillDev!l wrote:
NeverNighTz wrote:
You mean at healing-skills? I think this:
Ths healing skill(like Holy Group Recovery) got a basic heal like 6.000 HP.
If your Weapon has 2.000 Mag. att, this gets multiplied by three(300%).
So it heals like 12.000 HP.

But I´m soooo unsure about that...


Mh, if the difference would be that big it'dd be well known i guess O.o
Anyone who can either confirm this, or is sure about how it truely is ?^^

Yes its sure, its been tested many times, tho I cant find link for it atm

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LillDev!l wrote:
NeverNighTz wrote:
You mean at healing-skills? I think this:
Ths healing skill(like Holy Group Recovery) got a basic heal like 6.000 HP.
If your Weapon has 2.000 Mag. att, this gets multiplied by three(300%).
So it heals like 12.000 HP.

But I´m soooo unsure about that...


Mh, if the difference would be that big it'dd be well known i guess O.o
Anyone who can either confirm this, or is sure about how it truely is ?^^


I can confirm this, it's also true that Healing Division heals less hp when you are pure str (because str weapon doesn't have mag dmg which can be added to the healing) and more when you are int (since your weapon has mag attack).


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 Post subject: Re: Weapon magical atack reflect
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Afaik, it doesn't take your weapons magical attack but your entire magical attack. This takes into account weapon's mag atack, reinforce, your INT stats, etc. If it was only based on weapons, then you would be able to heal the same amount regardless if your pure INT, pure STR, or hybrid. But as we see, this is not the case.


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 Post subject: Re: Weapon magical atack reflect
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Prophet Izaach wrote:
Afaik, it doesn't take your weapons magical attack but your entire magical attack. This takes into account weapon's mag atack, reinforce, your INT stats, etc. If it was only based on weapons, then you would be able to heal the same amount regardless if your pure INT, pure STR, or hybrid. But as we see, this is not the case.


Yep, the skills also litteraly say "Weapon magical attack reflect" so ^^

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 Post subject: Re: Weapon magical atack reflect
PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 9:21 pm 
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Yes, its entire magic attack. The higher it is, the better.


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 Post subject: Re: Weapon magical atack reflect
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LillDev!l wrote:
Prophet Izaach wrote:
Afaik, it doesn't take your weapons magical attack but your entire magical attack. This takes into account weapon's mag atack, reinforce, your INT stats, etc. If it was only based on weapons, then you would be able to heal the same amount regardless if your pure INT, pure STR, or hybrid. But as we see, this is not the case.


Yep, the skills also litteraly say "Weapon magical attack reflect" so ^^


No it doesnt heal that much (at least not when i tried).
I think its :
basic value + Weapon Atk * the % shown in skill description * Mag balance
So when the skill heals 3000 (+300% Weapon atk), your weapon has about 2000 mag atk and your mag balance is 90% it would be 3000 + 2000 * 3 * 0.9 = 8400

I tried it with 2 chars (1 int and 1 str) and this seems to work for me. But someone else should try it out and confirm or disprove ^^


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 Post subject: Re: Weapon magical atack reflect
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Selan88 wrote:
LillDev!l wrote:
Prophet Izaach wrote:
Afaik, it doesn't take your weapons magical attack but your entire magical attack. This takes into account weapon's mag atack, reinforce, your INT stats, etc. If it was only based on weapons, then you would be able to heal the same amount regardless if your pure INT, pure STR, or hybrid. But as we see, this is not the case.


Yep, the skills also litteraly say "Weapon magical attack reflect" so ^^


No it doesnt heal that much (at least not when i tried).
I think its :
basic value + Weapon Atk * the % shown in skill description * Mag balance
So when the skill heals 3000 (+300% Weapon atk), your weapon has about 2000 mag atk and your mag balance is 90% it would be 3000 + 2000 * 3 * 0.9 = 8400

I tried it with 2 chars (1 int and 1 str) and this seems to work for me. But someone else should try it out and confirm or disprove ^^


I just use group recovery and recovery level 1, and they heal about 8k.


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 Post subject: Re: Weapon magical atack reflect
PostPosted: Wed Jan 14, 2009 10:44 pm 
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If it says 300% it means it will heal for 3 times your current magical damage plus the stated extra healing. If your magical damage is 1,000 and the extra healing is 500 you end up healing 3,500 hp totally.

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 Post subject: Re: Weapon magical atack reflect
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A tip: When you cast Holy Recovery Divison with lv.85+5 rod, and switch to Sword/Xbow etc, it will heal only 2473 every 5 sec. 0% from reflect, since Swords dont have magical damage.

This has been tested by me & raphaell666.


How reflect works?
Lets see; Vampire Touch - HP Absorbtion 843 (at my level);
Weapon Magical Attack 80% reflect

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My weapon has 2014 - 2393 magical damage
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This is the damage I done: 3391.
Spoiler!


EDIT: Vampire Touch is apsolute damage; We can probabbly make conclusion that amount of STR / INT; or Physical/Magical balance have nothing to do with "reflect". So, the amount of healing recived depends on what you are wielding, not how much Int you have.
Since lack of Int at last case, reduced my magical damage, so the damage is lower.

With gear equipped: 3391
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Without gear equipped: 3269
Spoiler!

Maths anyone?

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 Post subject: Re: Weapon magical atack reflect
PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 12:34 am 
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i know that the higher the magical reflect the more the skill aggros mobs especially off the trader transport, , we have done lvl 90 trader full 5 star bargain trade stronghold to cons with only 1 cleric and 1 nuker,


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 Post subject: Re: Weapon magical atack reflect
PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:30 am 
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Have "Weapon magical attack"
Base damage only in weapon, no have base in status magical attack total

Have "Weapon magical attack reflect"

reflect, i don´t know

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 Post subject: Re: Weapon magical atack reflect
PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 2:46 pm 
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I just use group recovery and recovery level 1, and they heal about 8k.


Then what is your Weapon damage and mag balance?

@Nitro there is a passive skill that affects the hp absorption of Vamp Touch/Kiss but im not sure if it affects only the hp that you get or also dmg.


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 Post subject: Re: Weapon magical atack reflect
PostPosted: Thu Jan 15, 2009 7:06 pm 
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Taunting Target has a physical reflect, but, it doesn't do any damage.
Or did I miss the point....?

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 Post subject: Re: Weapon magical atack reflect
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Rip Tide wrote:
Taunting Target has a physical reflect, but, it doesn't do any damage.
Or did I miss the point....?


The higher your Phy. Att. is, the higher is the Taunt, I think.

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 Post subject: Re: Weapon magical atack reflect
PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:54 am 
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I think that the reflect on a weapon reinforces the magical attack power. I don't know the formula that JM is using for the magical attacks. From my own experience a high reflect also tends to aggro mobs more on the cleric.


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