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 Post subject: New Int Build - *cough* for Lempi
PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 2:40 pm 
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Since you wanted a "new" int build, how about this.

Bich, Heuk, and Ice.

Ice imbue vs Fire imbue isn't that big of a diff as proven in this topic: http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic ... 2&t=122914

Bich for debuffs and knockdown, Heuk for the higher dmg, Ice for snow shield, wall, phy def, and imbue effects.

In pvp, just like the normal bich heuk str dual build, you start off debuffing, then when bleed hits, switch to heuk to stun, spear throw, dull, ghost spear finish. No nuking in pvp, nukes are only used when grinding.

Sounds fun? Survivability is probably the same as any other int build, it might actually last longer considering it has both phy and mag def inc buff from both wep trees.

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 Post subject: Re: New Int Build - *cough* for Lempi
PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 4:14 pm 
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Can't do so much for int. I had pure str Heuk-Bich-Fire but now I was thinking to dropping 1 weapon tree cuz debuff is not that worth in real pvp, If you really want debuff just go force, cuz in real pvp ppl use pills to cure debuff.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 4:23 pm 
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Bicheon debuffs could be cured off with pills, also wouldn't work so great vs sub clerics.



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 Post subject: Re: New Int Build - *cough* for Lempi
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Why do ppl just assume a build is shit unless it can beat every other build out there?

If you want an overpowered build, just go with warrior/cleric and be like everyone else.

Oh, and unless you have a bot and use the pill bug where it has 0 cooldown, bich debuffs go on faster than the pills.

This build is meant for fun with a decent pvp ability. It can't kill everyone, but it will still be able to take down ppl.

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 Post subject: Re: New Int Build - *cough* for Lempi
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wouldn't be bad, good survivability (ice for phys. def. and heuk for more hp) and decent damage with the debuffs, of course holy spell would screw it plus no fire wall so warriors can use all of their annoying crap on you.

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 Post subject: Re: New Int Build - *cough* for Lempi
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Could be good at taking hits. Dmg will be weak though, considering you dont have fire's imbue or light's magical defense buff (20% is quite some), no real nukes so not much to do in group pvp (when snow shield isn't on).

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 Post subject: Re: New Int Build - *cough* for Lempi
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Why do ppl just assume a build is shit unless it can beat every other build out there?

If you want an overpowered build, just go with warrior/cleric and be like everyone else.

Oh, and unless you have a bot and use the pill bug where it has 0 cooldown, bich debuffs go on faster than the pills.

This build is meant for fun with a decent pvp ability. It can't kill everyone, but it will still be able to take down ppl.

I've played this build before, probably the most fun I've had on an Int Chin tbh. I pretty much owned, then again I was in full nova+9 and junk.

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 Post subject: Re: New Int Build - *cough* for Lempi
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1st. You really can't rely on chains for debuff cuz they have only very little chance and only Impotent in usefull.

2nd. Its true that pill have 10 or 15 sec cooldown but you can spam it very fast to cure multiple debuff even against force users.

3rd. For fun, YES. But I don't really think it will be decent in pvp since I have tried dual weapon before, even in pure str its not very effective what more do you expect in pure int?

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UnbeatableDevil wrote:
Could be good at taking hits. Dmg will be weak though, considering you dont have fire's imbue or light's magical defense buff (20% is quite some), no real nukes so not much to do in group pvp (when snow shield isn't on).


Fire vs Ice imbue isn't that big of a diff. See the link in first post.

Instead of light's mag dmg inc buff, you have spear which hits hard anyways. You do have bich debuffs, namely bleed, to bring the dmg up.

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 Post subject: Re: New Int Build - *cough* for Lempi
PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 9:04 pm 
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Looks good on paper but I highly doubt it'll work, sorry.


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 Post subject: Re: New Int Build - *cough* for Lempi
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Goseki wrote:
Ice imbue vs Fire imbue isn't that big of a diff as proven in this topic:

How much is the difference if you're full Str?

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 Post subject: Re: New Int Build - *cough* for Lempi
PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2011 11:18 pm 
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Goseki wrote:
Since you wanted a "new" int build, how about this.

Bich, Heuk, and Ice.

Ice imbue vs Fire imbue isn't that big of a diff as proven in this topic: http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic ... 2&t=122914


Stupid comparison for INT considering your imbue tests were with Fire Nukes. Very stupid I think since Ice Nukes are considerable weaker than Fire. As an INT nukes I'd expect to be important and if you want some distance, fire nukes are the best. Lightning have to be pretty close to opponent. If it's just for chaining on bicheon, it's a pretty boring build and might as well just go with an Ice+Bicheon STR build then...


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 Post subject: Re: New Int Build - *cough* for Lempi
PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:53 am 
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Wello27 wrote:
Goseki wrote:
Since you wanted a "new" int build, how about this.

Bich, Heuk, and Ice.

Ice imbue vs Fire imbue isn't that big of a diff as proven in this topic: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=122914


Stupid comparison for INT considering your imbue tests were with Fire Nukes. Very stupid I think since Ice Nukes are considerable weaker than Fire. As an INT nukes I'd expect to be important and if you want some distance, fire nukes are the best. Lightning have to be pretty close to opponent. If it's just for chaining on bicheon, it's a pretty boring build and might as well just go with an Ice+Bicheon STR build then...


Are you stupid? How is that a stupid comparison... I'm comparing IMBUE, not nukes. Obviously ice nukes are weaker... Also, if you scrolled down, I also compared fire and ice imbue with bich attacks too, not just nukes. And in the end, with bich light hits quite a bit harder than fire.

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 Post subject: Re: New Int Build - *cough* for Lempi
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wouldn't be bad, good survivability (ice for phys. def. and heuk for more hp) and decent damage with the debuffs, of course holy spell would screw it plus no fire wall so warriors can use all of their annoying crap on you.

But u have Ice Wall, which works better absorbing warriors' DD-s.

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Better build: 1:2 hybrid int spear. Huek/force/cold. Epic defence, epic damage, win-win?

Ofc you wouldn't be using nukes, but imagine the damage of force debuffs combined with 1:2 hybrid int and the spear skills.


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why dont u guys farm this build at ESRO and let us know the results :D

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pizzagirl2008 wrote:
why dont u guys farm this build at ESRO and let us know the results :D


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 Post subject: Re: New Int Build - *cough* for Lempi
PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:38 am 
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the only thing i dont like about this build is that with ice imbue, you won't be able to knock down the opponent since it might bug them - meaning you cant connect with stabs afterwards.

of course this doesn't apply to builds who have full ice immunity ie. clerics and chn fire shield

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 Post subject: Re: New Int Build - *cough* for Lempi
PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 11:35 pm 
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Goseki wrote:
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Could be good at taking hits. Dmg will be weak though, considering you dont have fire's imbue or light's magical defense buff (20% is quite some), no real nukes so not much to do in group pvp (when snow shield isn't on).


Fire vs Ice imbue isn't that big of a diff. See the link in first post.

Instead of light's mag dmg inc buff, you have spear which hits hard anyways. You do have bich debuffs, namely bleed, to bring the dmg up.

Light or fire s/s has the bich debuffs aswell. Light or fire spear has heuksal skills. You also dont have much to do in group pvp

I guess with good weapon switching it could work very well in 1vs1, but its kinda like 70:70 or 1:2 hybrids, not the best at dmg, not very good at defense, so if snow runs out you are kinda farked.

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