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Have you ever fought someone with a 64+7 sun glaive with your little +5 glaive and gotten a beating after you were so sure that you could beat them?

Having trouble hunting/thieving when a char in the opposite jobsuit is nearby? I'm gonna teach you some things, like how to have the largest advantage possible against one of these full SOSUN monsters, but first i'm gonna refresh your memory on these basic facts. THIS FIRST PART IS JUST FOR WEAPS.

Say you have a lvl 72+5 weap. In theory that would equal the damage of a lvl 77 weap, yes?

say your opponent has a 64+7 sun weap. SOSUN is +15, so in total, that is +22. So what the hell are you gonna do? his weapon is, in effect, a level 86 weapon, almost 10 levels higher than yours! This is how we're gonna overcome this:

If your opponent already has a sun weap, chances are that he won't spend too much time upgrading its percentages (hopefully. if he did then you'll have a hard time)

So this is what you do - PIMP YOUR WEAP OUT, and DO NOT ONLY ADD BLUES! There's so much more to it. If you have the money, UPGRADE BOTH YOUR MAG and PHYS damage on the weap to +80%. That's already a huge step forward, and equivalent to plusing up your weapon. The next step is to get your MAG and PHYS REINFORCE to a decent percentage, preferably over 60%. Believe me, it help ALOT, and heres why - if you notice that your weapon varies alot in terms of the amount of damage it inflicts, you have a low reinfore %. A high reinforce % basically makes your weapon more consistent in terms of the damage that it does.
EXAMPLE- you are a 80 pure int sword against an 80 str glaiver. On average, you hit him for 8k. Sometimes you hit him for more, but more frequently you hit him for around 7k. See? your damage is not consistent. Get a good reinforce %, and you will hit him with your weapons maximum potential.

Next, obviously, add your blues, and add all the blues you can think of. DO NOT ACCEPT ANY AMOUNT LOWER THAN +4 INT OR STR ON YOUR WEAP! and try to do the same for your armour, but more will come on defense in another thread. Increase your attack rating, add all the blues you can think of. you know the drill.

For all of you who just can't seem to get a sun weap, i recommend you buy some astrals and go for +7. +7 served me extremely well, and I had 80% mag and 80% phys on my sword, and it helped me alot with those irritating str glaviers who thought they could kill me first with their stupid spin move. Ive gone up to +9 now, and it didn't make that much of a difference so don't feel that you have to try for that.

This is the first step to dealing with a sun char, but it is by no means the most important step. Your armour can make or break you, so i'll write about that too, and not just the blues. I'll show you what i did, and how much it helped me. Yes, i did eventually get my fair share of SUN prots(including the chest piece that i wanted so bad) but don't for a second fear someone with a sun set. According to some people, your build affects how good you are in pvp - i'm a pure int with 114% mag, and people call that weak, seconds before i slaughter them . I believe that there is NO superior build - in my opinion its how good you are at playing your build. I'm a dual weap, which has many advantages - and yes, the stupid spinning move does come in handy once in a while, though i hate to say it.

I hope that ive helped anyone reading this - please give some opinions and contributions to what ive written if you have any

More to come.

Ur topics are like reading book about snow in summer

thanks, im glad i helped

errmm, the amount of money you need for these '' upgrades '' is almost like the amount of money you'd need for a SUN.

a sun weap nowadays will cost you more than 800 mil.

Im pretty sure +7 weaps nowadays with a load of blues cost around 100-150 mil..

In xian u cant find sun glavie 64 below 1 bil.

Yup. On greece you sometimes get people wh say theyll only sell their weap for no less than 1000USD too..

Why wouldn't the sosun guy also get those percentages high?
This is really what EVERYONE in the cap does, pimp out gears.
Sorry, this doesn't help, only if you're fighting a brainless sosun user...

I'm just saying, just because you see a guy decked in sosun doesnt mean you can't have a fighting chance.

a 69 sosun chest is the same as an 84 chest. a lvl 77+5 chest is the same as a lvl 82 chest. Have faith haha

99% of the sosun players pimpin out their sosun to +4\5\6\7
so it isnt 84 chest now isnt it @_@

True.

no do you know what is true....that you spammed this crap all over the forums
when one thread was more then enough

relax satman..

Hes Mr.Satman for you

well think of that before you decided to spam then ok

Satman, chill. He's just trying to help.
However, I have to agree - spamming multiple posts in under a few hours is unneccesary. At the current 80 Cap, without the new skills, which will come with the Euro update, a Sun makes al the difference. A Pure STR decked out in Sun gear against a Pure STR of the same Level, same build, but lesser equips, will always win. Sun adds +15. And only the most retarded person would have a Sun weapon, but not try to get it to atleast +5. That being said, no matter how high your Physical and Magical percentages are, you won't come ANYWHERE close to having the same kind of damage tha a Sun will do. It's basically a pot battle at the current cap between STR's, anyways. Hopefully this will change when the new skills come around.
Point being, Sun users will more likely have their weapons pimped out with great percentages than non-Sun users. Most Sun users have the money - hell, they could afford a Sun. Why not pimp their weapon out to make it better?
Pure STRs, current cap > Pure INTs in PvP. Pure INTs aren't meant to excel in solo PvP. They're meant, with their nukes, to be support characters that stand back while the Pure STR's tank. With the 80 Cap XL Pots, INTs have a harder time than ever killing STRs, and STRs can more or less Crit once or twice on an INT, and take it down. This may all change with the Mana Shield, but for now, this fact stands.

And @ Tigerlein, was the comment about reading a book about snow in summer a compliment?

try 200-500 mil ...

I'm stealing this for my quotes!!! lol




on babel...
64 Sun weapons run 800kk >> 1.5Bil
72+7 weapons run 180kk >> 350kk

64 Sun gear is all over the place...
armor hands for 60kk
garmet chest 450kk

sun is high dollar...

lol i have a 83% magical damage sword and those dont even put a dent in those pure ints in full sosun garm sets, yet their sosun +7 0% magical swords can 2 shot me

depends on lvl ~_~ i saw a lvl 64 +7 with full blues for 100mil altho crt sucked ~_~ another one same lvl with decent blues better crt for barely more than that....

Yeah, because everyone can get both their atks 80%+, their reinforces 60+, and full blues all 100% (without assimilating their atk back down again), not to mention sun armor. Yeah, it works. Is it something the common (somewhat poor) char can do? Not really. And consider that the Sun person does the same thing, which is far more likely considering they had the money to buy the sun wep in the 1st place. Then what?

Thign I don't get is on the internet peopel liek ot make words as short as possible. Why in the name of zypher do you use KK instead of M ?

Anyways on Olympus it's 600M - 1500M for sun. And like 100-350 for 72+7's.

But as nycx said it's sorts disturbing when I used to pvp fully sunned garm int's and do a 1k nuke and 700dmg stab. I have 115% balance and a 72+7 91% mag sword with 61% reinforce. I mean c'mon. But then again, most sun users if not all on Olympus are retards and can't kill. Quite amusing.

k lol u posted like 3 of these topics.

in short, you are telling us that we can beat full suns by alchemying our
equipment ~ something all high lvls, including the full suns, already do.

im gonna lock all of them except for the one in G&T. that one is to be
discussed.

and please, next time post it once for it isnt that good. thnx.