Impressions after Euro patch

SomebodyFromTheMass · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 124

Good deal of time has passed since we got Europe, what do you think about it?

Me, it sucks. Here's why.

Euro chars:

Warrior: Too few skills, they are tanks that can't tank
Rogue: Totally overpowered, it sucks when they one shot a person 5 levels higher
Wizard: Great damage, good casting speed. Easy dies
Cleric: Useful skills, however they are shit magnets
Warlock: To me it seems like a useless build...
Bard: Bit useless, not worth as main

Party monsters:
They are shit. Just not worth it. I grind more, with more drops, soloing, than with pt mobs. Not to mention I don't die near as much, or waste potions. Until of course some shit heads pass by a spawn pt mobs on me.

General play outcome of Euro patch:

Allows noobs who never got passed lvl 40 to be high level. And annoy people who actually spent a good deal of time leveling their chars. And NO! IF YOU GET POWERLEVELED BY A BOT, YOU'RE NOT A BOT!!!! /*end sarcasm*/

Overall: 2/10

Meh.

TOloseGT · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 7129 **Location:**

a great deal of strife comes from sro's broken party system and noobs who never have played party games in their lives.

it's ok tho, we got chinese characters to fall back on.

foudre · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 3604 **Location:**

warlock = DAMN USEFULL, you try party grinding a party monster with out a warlock in the group takes like 5 times as long, they end up out damaging the wizzard, they just can't put in all power shots the same, so its not as readily easy to see,

Bards can fight solo don't think they can't, bards are very usefull in a group, though its annoying how over looked you are in lower lvl areas, untill you get to 30 up no one cares if there is a bard yet because they don't realize how much easier things are with them, and with temptation they can easily solo 2 party generals, just takes for ever

party monsters, when you have a larger party blasting them down left and right you earn way more xp then solo, if hte party sucks then it is slower then solo

and don't say all euro's are power lvled, expecially on the new servers, how could they, some are legit party grinders

china had a 80 lvl head start, so them lvling fast only helps put them on par as far as the job system is conserned

edit:
though yes it does make me mad when some of the noobs can't party play very well, or just put their party on match making but don't even give it the title of what they are hunting
but after a while i can tend to find a good party, i'm making freinds with the people i party with to find good ones more often, just watch who plays their role right and try to freind them, you'll find parties more often that don't suck, and if this guy thinks bards and warlocks suck, he's obviously not up to the party style play very well, or hasn't tried them, they aren't to be underestimated

TOloseGT · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 7129 **Location:**

foudre wrote:

china had a 80 lvl head start, so them lvling fast only helps put them on par as far as the job system is conserned

yes, and what will happen when chinese and euro are on par when the 90 cap comes? will we see the already overpowered euro chars reach lvl 90 and pwn some 8x chinese?

SomebodyFromTheMass · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 124

foudre wrote:

party monsters, when you have a larger party blasting them down left and right you earn way more xp then solo, if hte party sucks then it is slower then solo

No, you don't! I have been in good 8/8 party's witch cleric and bard in it. And we were playing very well. Nobody died, had good buffs. On monsters white and red. I got less exp and items than when I'm soloing. Only good thing was good spawn rate.

foudre · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 3604 **Location:**

probally, the euro's will reach the cap first, i do kinda agree they lvl really fast, but then again they arn't sp farming or keeping a huge mastery gap, unless they are multi classing then its kinda slow unless you get in parties fighting things higher lvl

to tell the truth when i first started silk, i was sad at how anti teamwork every one was, and that my healer was a crappy build because i wouldn't realy find many to party with. I'm more of a team player then solo anyways, besides solo is no fun

SomebodyFromTheMass wrote:

foudre wrote:

party monsters, when you have a larger party blasting them down left and right you earn way more xp then solo, if hte party sucks then it is slower then solo

No, you don't! I have been in good 8/8 party's witch cleric and bard in it. And we were playing very well. Nobody died, had good buffs. On monsters white and red. I got less exp and items than when I'm soloing. Only good thing was good spawn rate.

hmm thats odd, i always earn more, in the same amount of time

TOloseGT · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 7129 **Location:**

playing euro is fun, no doubt about it. it's a breath of fresh air from the stuffiness of solo grinding all those lvls for chinese. however, euro will dominate in pvp.

we use so much time to grind our chinese chars to cap, then we find out we're shit compared to euro. so not only have we spent more time, we also need scrounge up some sosun to compete.

Juey · **Joined:** Jun 2006 **Posts:** 786 **Location:**

SomebodyFromTheMass wrote:

Good deal of time has passed since we got Europe, what do you think about it?

Me, it sucks. Here's why.

Euro chars:

Warrior: Too few skills, they are tanks that can't tank
Rogue: Totally overpowered, it sucks when they one shot a person 5 levels higher
Wizard: Great damage, good casting speed. Easy dies
Cleric: Useful skills, however they are shit magnets
Warlock: To me it seems like a useless build...
Bard: Bit useless, not worth as main

Party monsters:
They are shit. Just not worth it. I grind more, with more drops, soloing, than with pt mobs. Not to mention I don't die near as much, or waste potions. Until of course some shit heads pass by a spawn pt mobs on me.

General play outcome of Euro patch:

Allows noobs who never got passed lvl 40 to be high level. And annoy people who actually spent a good deal of time leveling their chars. And NO! IF YOU GET POWERLEVELED BY A BOT, YOU'RE NOT A BOT!!!! /*end sarcasm*/

Overall: 2/10

Meh.

I think the patch is the best thing that happened to SRO so far.

Euro chars:
Warrior: Haven't seen too many of them around, so don't know much about them
Rogue: I'm one and I love it.
Wizard: I guess the int version of the rogue
Cleric: everyone needs them
Warlock and bard: just like warriors havent seen many around. But the few I've seen are more needed that the warriors. Bard for buffs, warlock for debuff, not sure what warrior is needed for in a party, we kill fast anywy not really need a tanker.

Party monsters are for party to grind on, they give more exp the more people are in the party. And they are great to KS on if there is a bot tanking it. Don't be a fool and solo it...

The new job system is better than the last one.

Stall network is great, save me lots of time.

The new quests kinda blow though.

Overall 9/10.

Necrobat · **Posted:** Sun Sep 16, 2007 12:18 pm

I really can't rate compared to pre-Euro, because I wasn't a player then. (and can't because it crashes when I try to load a Chinese character)

But I wouldn't say the stuff is unnecessary. One of the best people I party with is a Bard and levels really quickly, one hitting a lot of stuff. I play a Cleric myself, and practically EVERY party wants me to participate.

It's a good addition, and if Chinese/Euro hybrid parties start being more common, I think it'll show itself more to the veteran players.

krackhead · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 246 **Location:**

foudre wrote:

warlock = DAMN USEFULL, you try party grinding a party monster with out a warlock in the group takes like 5 times as long, they end up out damaging the wizzard, they just can't put in all power shots the same, so its not as readily easy to see,

Bards can fight solo don't think they can't, bards are very usefull in a group, though its annoying how over looked you are in lower lvl areas, untill you get to 30 up no one cares if there is a bard yet because they don't realize how much easier things are with them, and with temptation they can easily solo 2 party generals, just takes for ever

party monsters, when you have a larger party blasting them down left and right you earn way more xp then solo, if hte party sucks then it is slower then solo

and don't say all euro's are power lvled, expecially on the new servers, how could they, some are legit party grinders

china had a 80 lvl head start, so them lvling fast only helps put them on par as far as the job system is conserned

edit:
though yes it does make me mad when some of the noobs can't party play very well, or just put their party on match making but don't even give it the title of what they are hunting
but after a while i can tend to find a good party, i'm making freinds with the people i party with to find good ones more often, just watch who plays their role right and try to freind them, you'll find parties more often that don't suck, and if this guy thinks bards and warlocks suck, he's obviously not up to the party style play very well, or hasn't tried them, they aren't to be underestimated

You try out damaging my wizard......LOL warlocks do not out damage wizards I'll tell you that now...BTW guessing you're a warlock?

chicksboy · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 189 **Location:** chicago

warlocks do sucked xD

Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

imo
(the phrase hella comes from south park; when, cartmen kept saying hella)

Warriors: 1h= the ultimate in tanking tech
dual axe = can tank but gets weaker than 1h oO
2h = hella strong relys heavily on KD (people seem not 2 like them)
these jerks seem to enjoy descrying then killing me (but when i get my shiz back up i pwn thier arse)

Rogue: daggers = hella strong nuff said OHKO FTW
xbow = hella strong big arse range OHKO FTW

Warlock: omigz those friggin debuffs kill me in PvP, i cant even move
warlocks kick arse (if you know how 2 use em)

Wizards: hella strong lit bastards

Cleric: N1gga you need these bitches (unless your a pt full of like 2 h warriors, or wizards, or xbow rogues. then you dont need them cause you kill 2 damn fast!)

Bards: dance much? DANCE FTW!!

european char in general = 10/10
european chars when played by isro = 0/10

_____________________________________________
>.>
<.<
spread the word tell the newbs how 2 pt.
Guardians....
if you have euros in your pt....
and your a non - pwrlvled euro
teach them how 2 pt properly
tell them thier role in the party plz..
seriously TELL THEM THIER FRIGGIN ROLE.
i dont wanna pt grind 2 80, then bump into pwrlvled fools at 90 cap who have no idea what thier role in the party is.
those idiots will solo and die.
explain agro to them PLZZZZ

i saw a good party vid on penons awhile ago, but cant find it
(i saw it a few weeks b4 we knew euro was coming; when every1 thought it would be 90 cap)

realfoxboy · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 751 **Location:**

barotix, i don't know why but your posts are always hard to read, lol

but you summarized the classes well (from what i understood)

Infstdraynor · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 263

Ice bladers pwn 1h warriors at tanking.

Da_Realest · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2435 **Location:**

krackhead wrote:

foudre wrote:

warlock = DAMN USEFULL, you try party grinding a party monster with out a warlock in the group takes like 5 times as long, they end up out damaging the wizzard, they just can't put in all power shots the same, so its not as readily easy to see,

Bards can fight solo don't think they can't, bards are very usefull in a group, though its annoying how over looked you are in lower lvl areas, untill you get to 30 up no one cares if there is a bard yet because they don't realize how much easier things are with them, and with temptation they can easily solo 2 party generals, just takes for ever

party monsters, when you have a larger party blasting them down left and right you earn way more xp then solo, if hte party sucks then it is slower then solo

and don't say all euro's are power lvled, expecially on the new servers, how could they, some are legit party grinders

china had a 80 lvl head start, so them lvling fast only helps put them on par as far as the job system is conserned

edit:
though yes it does make me mad when some of the noobs can't party play very well, or just put their party on match making but don't even give it the title of what they are hunting
but after a while i can tend to find a good party, i'm making freinds with the people i party with to find good ones more often, just watch who plays their role right and try to freind them, you'll find parties more often that don't suck, and if this guy thinks bards and warlocks suck, he's obviously not up to the party style play very well, or hasn't tried them, they aren't to be underestimated

You try out damaging my wizard......LOL warlocks do not out damage wizards I'll tell you that now...BTW guessing you're a warlock?

Fully debuffed, a Warlock's damage(nuke+2 DoT's) is similar to a wizard's weakest nuke with life control on. Warlocks can also do damage in safe zone and get zerk faster than any build in the game. If you count how often a warlock gets zerk in a grind(probably every minute), the damage when the grind is over would most likely be close to a wizard's total damage during that period of time... I'm guessing you're a wizard?

MrBow · **Posted:** Sun Sep 16, 2007 2:19 pm

Da_Realest wrote:

Fully debuffed, a Warlock's damage(nuke+2 DoT's) is similar to a wizard's weakest nuke with life control on. Warlocks can also do damage in safe zone and get zerk faster than any build in the game. If you count how often a warlock gets zerk in a grind(probably every minute), the damage when the grind is over would most likely be close to a wizard's total damage during that period of time... I'm guessing you're a wizard?

Any statistics on that? You've got a chance to get a 'zerk bubble' when you kill a mob... same chance for every char afaik...

Da_Realest · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2435 **Location:**

MrBow wrote:

Da_Realest wrote:

Fully debuffed, a Warlock's damage(nuke+2 DoT's) is similar to a wizard's weakest nuke with life control on. Warlocks can also do damage in safe zone and get zerk faster than any build in the game. If you count how often a warlock gets zerk in a grind(probably every minute), the damage when the grind is over would most likely be close to a wizard's total damage during that period of time... I'm guessing you're a wizard?

Any statistics on that? You've got a chance to get a 'zerk bubble' when you kill a mob... same chance for every char afaik...

Other warlocks say they get zerk extremely fast too.

I don't think its normal that I get zerk literally every minute, or less. I don't think its normal that sometimes if I kill a giant after my zerk runs out, it gives me 5 zerk orbs.

Meph · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 40 **Location:**

Quote:

Fully debuffed, a Warlock's damage(nuke+2 DoT's) is similar to a wizard's weakest nuke with life control on. Warlocks can also do damage in safe zone and get zerk faster than any build in the game. If you count how often a warlock gets zerk in a grind(probably every minute), the damage when the grind is over would most likely be close to a wizard's total damage during that period of time... I'm guessing you're a wizard?

+1

its true warlock gets zerk faster than any1

me i am a warlock when it comes to a giant or a party giant

warlock do outpower wizards not by alot but enough to get the drops hehe

if i kill a champion mob i can get 3 or 4 zerk orbs =D a giant i can get full again lol

have u ever seen 2 warlock in a grind party 2 warriors and no cleric in a party HA!

with 2 warlock in the same party versus the same party giant its pratically over. each warlock can cast every debuff once so with 2 warlock thts double the attack down quadriple phy mag down (warlock has 2 moves tht r the same phy mag def lowering so its 4 times the lower with 2 warlocks) we have shadow armor also a lil bloody orb tht goes around us for 16 seconds and does 450 damage at the 5 or 6th lvl upgrade basically thts a wolf attack and it recharges in 18 seconds at the moment u used the skill. we also have a skill that slows down the enemy which its better than frostbite.

i pvp my friend 2 hnd sword warrior we were the same lvl he can do a 2 swing combo in 2 seconds with that debuff on him it takes him 5 6 seconds to do both 2 swings.

The only thing i know about 2hand warriors is tht they r really strong if they get the mob on the floor there skills allows them to increase there attack if mob is on the floor by 50% or something close to that.

zelzin · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 388

Being a warlock you should know the Raze skills don't stack.

I do agree that Dull is more annoying then frostbite only because it requires the costly pills to get rid of.

heroo · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 6618 **Location:**

2 words:

Improved SRO

Phenom · **Joined:** Sep 2007 **Posts:** 21 **Location:**

TOloseGT wrote:

foudre wrote:

china had a 80 lvl head start, so them lvling fast only helps put them on par as far as the job system is conserned

yes, and what will happen when chinese and euro are on par when the 90 cap comes? will we see the already overpowered euro chars reach lvl 90 and pwn some 8x chinese?

Agreed. Euros are fun to play, but they are overpowered. Sure they don't have pot delay, but does it really even matter? My china char is obsolete

And for those who have played ksro, will the next race be stronger than the euros? It seems like it could be a vicious circle by joymax to make people start over so they buy more tickets etc.

My experience with euro's vs my chinese char:
I got hit by a cleric with offering (i believe he was a level or two below me) for something like 30k dmg. A warrior the same lvl as me just needs to iron skin and I'm as good as finished. Wizard, just go invis and 1 shot me with your nuke. A friend of mine plays a xbow rogue and is 11 lvls below me. We were testing dmg and she hit me with a 9k crit already lol.

rumpleKillskin · **Joined:** Jun 2007 **Posts:** 1934 **Location:**

I agree with Juey on everything..

Im a rogue, at lvl 50, and i can take down a pure int a few good lvls above me. Now say I try taking down a blader or a glavie, I personally have a hard time. So I think it is balanced, but I cant wait to go theif/hunter with my rogue :twisted:

FX · **Posted:** Sun Sep 16, 2007 6:43 pm

juey every build in euro is needed, try and kill a pt giant your lvl after lv40. wizard and rogues can only do so much dmg before their pots and cleric heals start falling behind the damage taken. thats something you'd learn if u werent getting p-lvled.

warrior: best tanks with good clericst
rogue: makes masks, thats about it..
wizard: the greatest damage dealer in pt
cleric: meant only for healing the pt health
warlock: lowers all kinds of stats on opponent
bard: keeps everyones mp bar filled and running fast

shoto · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 1459 **Location:**

euro is nice...

the economy has fluctuated easing off of china for once...i can now buy many many things only to sell back at a higher price later.

as far as euro races are concerned. I think they are absolutely wonderful have the pot delay makes for a challenging play. party monsters are great... kill bots (doesn't solve the bot problem but still fun t watch bots get raped)
while i'm on this topic...why is everyone so irritated by party monsters...its easy you don't fight them if you don't want to. its not hard to hit non party, really i've tried even if they are aggro you can move away.

as far as classes go all have their strengths and weaknesses.
warriors - they can def tank...that what knockdown/stun/knockback/passives are for you fool
cleric/bards - are support builds as long as you remember that then you really can't bitch can you?
wizards/warlocks - one hit or be one hit, sort of like their chinese counterparts except more extreme
rogue - ok, they are overpowered

Beanstalk · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 187 **Location:**

Rogues are not overpowered, their defense and the potion delay balances things out. Bard is a good sub-mastery, and so is Cleric.

Meph · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 40 **Location:**

Beanstalk wrote:

Rogues are not overpowered, their defense and the potion delay balances things out. Bard is a good sub-mastery, and so is Cleric.

kinda true but them being invisble is annoying just take out the invisble skill then every1 will be happy.

or keep the invisble skill but make it wizard or rogue cant use the extreme skill on while haveing invisble on.

Not all the classes can defend for it like bard warlock and cleric.

Those classes dont have a skill to defend againts the invisble people.

Silver0 · **Posted:** Sun Sep 16, 2007 7:45 pm

First i like 2 say you suck at party the end

and cleric pwns

rumpleKillskin · **Joined:** Jun 2007 **Posts:** 1934 **Location:**

To whoever said that invisibilty is cheap, think again

chinese fire skill - firefly? they can see us

warrior - skill like that pill, they can see us

wiz - fire trap, god thats annoying, and THEY can go invisible

so.... rogues might be strong, but they arent overpowered

Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

rumpleKillskin wrote:

To whoever said that invisibilty is cheap, think again

chinese fire skill - firefly? they can see us

warrior - skill like that pill, they can see us

wiz - fire trap, god thats annoying, and THEY can go invisible

so.... rogues might be strong, but they arent overpowered

+1

damn warriors with thier bloody descry,
and the chinese doing the firefly/combustion
messing up my shank session

meh it wont matter monday cause im going 2 odin and making a 1h warrior.

im gonna descry like hella crazy

krackhead · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 246 **Location:**

Da_Realest wrote:

krackhead wrote:

foudre wrote:

warlock = DAMN USEFULL, you try party grinding a party monster with out a warlock in the group takes like 5 times as long, they end up out damaging the wizzard, they just can't put in all power shots the same, so its not as readily easy to see,

Bards can fight solo don't think they can't, bards are very usefull in a group, though its annoying how over looked you are in lower lvl areas, untill you get to 30 up no one cares if there is a bard yet because they don't realize how much easier things are with them, and with temptation they can easily solo 2 party generals, just takes for ever

party monsters, when you have a larger party blasting them down left and right you earn way more xp then solo, if hte party sucks then it is slower then solo

and don't say all euro's are power lvled, expecially on the new servers, how could they, some are legit party grinders

china had a 80 lvl head start, so them lvling fast only helps put them on par as far as the job system is conserned

edit:
though yes it does make me mad when some of the noobs can't party play very well, or just put their party on match making but don't even give it the title of what they are hunting
but after a while i can tend to find a good party, i'm making freinds with the people i party with to find good ones more often, just watch who plays their role right and try to freind them, you'll find parties more often that don't suck, and if this guy thinks bards and warlocks suck, he's obviously not up to the party style play very well, or hasn't tried them, they aren't to be underestimated

You try out damaging my wizard......LOL warlocks do not out damage wizards I'll tell you that now...BTW guessing you're a warlock?

Fully debuffed, a Warlock's damage(nuke+2 DoT's) is similar to a wizard's weakest nuke with life control on. Warlocks can also do damage in safe zone and get zerk faster than any build in the game. If you count how often a warlock gets zerk in a grind(probably every minute), the damage when the grind is over would most likely be close to a wizard's total damage during that period of time... I'm guessing you're a wizard?

I'm wizard (cleric sub), warlock, rouge, 2hand.

I played with em all and I like rouge as best STR and wizard as best INT.

I played in good, big parties. 1 out of 20 actually wanted a warlock, everyone else wanted a wizard or a 1/2 hand warrior or cleric.

Even the warlocks I know (60+) say that it's impossible to get in a party cause no one wants them....

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