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 Post subject: If Only It Was So Easy - Next New Server...Legits Unite!
PostPosted: Thu Jan 17, 2008 9:22 am 
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We should all start new accounts and play on the new server, try get every legit on one new server starting at the same point! Forming good unions, bot killing unions maybe, so then those can get away with pk status "or use the thief killing style". Though this is never gonna happen, you cant trust anyone, shame really. I've been a legit since day one and i am only level 41 "since september 2006 on this character" and i dont play hardcore maybe like....3 hours some days and once i played like 12 hours lol, but i still enjoy the game. I just hate being called a n00b, ive been playing the game for just over 2 years now, and i get called a n00b by a level 80 botter who has been playing 2 months!!! HE doesn tknow the meaning of earning his som weapon, his sun set or even sos set....the video link in my sig i get flamed for as i was lv 38 with som +4 and full sos/som +3 set......i am called a gold buyer or botter, why? Becuase i have good items lmao, its stupid, i use the economy sro provides, and i have earned over 120,000,000 being a legit! If botters didnt exist people would believe it lol.

I just think it'd be nice to claim atleast 1 server for us all, after a few months of bot killing, and owning them....it'd be a waste of there time and they would hopefully move on to different servers.

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i wish that too :D btw. i agree with u, it took me about 9 months just to get my main char to lvl 45 cuz i was having to much fun trading and pvping :P . i had more fun then compared to now eventhough i'm 70 now.

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 Post subject: Re: If Only It Was So Easy - Next New Server...Legits Unite!
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Yeah, shame it wouldn't work. It would require everyone to start again.....which if indeed legits did do this, it's not fun when you worked for months getting your char a high lv.

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 Post subject: Re: If Only It Was So Easy - Next New Server...Legits Unite!
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Just join Venus, they have a large legit community there.

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 Post subject: Re: If Only It Was So Easy - Next New Server...Legits Unite!
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What you wish for is basically what we're trying to do on Venus. The bots are weaker, and are losing. They're fighting and they're breaking apart.

We welcome any new legits that join the server, and welcome any new legit guilds to the server. We really want to make Venus the best place for legits to play.

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I see, is it working? because JM obviously wont do anything, i think we can if a whole server worked together to make the bots rendered as useless.

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 Post subject: Re: If Only It Was So Easy - Next New Server...Legits Unite!
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The bots are losing, yes. They're talking crap like you'd expect, but they can't back it up.

The only thing we don't have a solution for right now is the goldbots. It almost seems like they're upped the amount of them now, as I saw a new herd in DW. Whether or not they're being put in to make up for the bots we scare off, I dunno. lol

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only problem with this is that you are posting it on a forum where 90% of the people are bots lol


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only problem with this is that you are posting about a game where 90% of the people are bots lol


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 Post subject: Re: If Only It Was So Easy - Next New Server...Legits Unite!
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only problem with this is that you are posting it on a forum where 90% of the people are bots lol

Let them come I say, we'll beat them and send them running with their tail between their knees. :P

Seriously, if anyone bots and joins a guild of the Avalon union, they're caught and they're kicked. No ifs, buts or maybes about that. We've done it so far, we'll continue to do it.

sama, we're scaring the player bots off. We can't do shit about the goldbots, unless we can hack their server, but we can beat the player bots, and we have done and are doing so.

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only problem with this is that you are posting it on a forum where 90% of the people are bots lol

Let them come I say, we'll beat them and send them running with their tail between their knees. :P

Seriously, if anyone bots and joins a guild of the Avalon union, they're caught and they're kicked. No ifs, buts or maybes about that. We've done it so far, we'll continue to do it.

sama, we're scaring the player bots off. We can't do shit about the goldbots, unless we can hack their server, but we can beat the player bots, and we have done and are doing so.


gl with that, but I have to ask, how will you beat them when their running 5 accounts 24/7 and your hand grinding one? Gear matters more than anything and when they have 5x the amount of gold than you, how will you win?


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European teamwork. Euros were designed to fight as a team, so we'll fight as a team. Their lack of teamwork will be their downfall.

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European teamwork. Euros were designed to fight as a team, so we'll fight as a team. Their lack of teamwork will be their downfall.



So you really think botters are inexperienced players aka morons seeing as how this game requires zero skill to play?
Beat them with teamwork for that 15-30 minutes thier not botting aka wasting several of you players daily grind time to beat them?
Maybe Im just dumb, but I still dont see it.


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Lixiae wrote:
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European teamwork. Euros were designed to fight as a team, so we'll fight as a team. Their lack of teamwork will be their downfall.



So you really think botters are inexperienced players aka morons seeing as how this game requires zero skill to play?
Beat them with teamwork for that 15-30 minutes thier not botting aka wasting several of you players daily grind time to beat them?
Maybe Im just dumb, but I still dont see it.

European characters are not made to solo. Every Euro has a fault, which another class covers. Bots bot Chinese, damage dealing Euros and clerics. They don't play as a completely unified European party. They don't understand every skill the Europeans are given, and they don't communicate.

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European teamwork. Euros were designed to fight as a team, so we'll fight as a team. Their lack of teamwork will be their downfall.



So you really think botters are inexperienced players aka morons seeing as how this game requires zero skill to play?
Beat them with teamwork for that 15-30 minutes thier not botting aka wasting several of you players daily grind time to beat them?
Maybe Im just dumb, but I still dont see it.

European characters are not made to solo. Every Euro has a fault, which another class covers. Bots bot Chinese, damage dealing Euros and clerics. They don't play as a completely unified European party. They don't understand every skill the Europeans are given, and they don't communicate.



You're making an awful lot of assumptions. Euros can be botted to and how do you know they dont communicate? You have any evidence to back that up?

Any moron can figure out the strenghts and weaknesses of a euro in 5 minutes of playing. I still dont see how you will win at lvl cap when they have at least 5x more gold than you.


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You're making an awful lot of assumptions. Euros can be botted to and how do you know they dont communicate? You have any evidence to back that up?

Any moron can figure out the strenghts and weaknesses of a euro in 5 minutes of playing. I still dont see how you will win at lvl cap when they have at least 5x more gold than you.

They communicate to an extent, but wouldn't be able to communicate fast and effectively enough for a European party. I see you rolled right past the point of fighting in a party, which overcomes the gear. Even with full pimping gear, Chinese Ints are still one shot to rogues, and Chinese Strs still one shot to wizards.

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You're making an awful lot of assumptions. Euros can be botted to and how do you know they dont communicate? You have any evidence to back that up?

Any moron can figure out the strenghts and weaknesses of a euro in 5 minutes of playing. I still dont see how you will win at lvl cap when they have at least 5x more gold than you.

They communicate to an extent, but wouldn't be able to communicate fast and effectively enough for a European party. I see you rolled right past the point of fighting in a party, which overcomes the gear. Even with full pimping gear, Chinese Ints are still one shot to rogues, and Chinese Strs still one shot to wizards.



Your completely ignoring my questions. Actually, you ignored all of them from my previous post and my comment about euros can be botted too and went on to post more stuff about chinese verse euro. Try to stay on topic. And please, post some evidence about your botter communications comments. Thanks.


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Lixiae wrote:
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You're making an awful lot of assumptions. Euros can be botted to and how do you know they dont communicate? You have any evidence to back that up?

Any moron can figure out the strenghts and weaknesses of a euro in 5 minutes of playing. I still dont see how you will win at lvl cap when they have at least 5x more gold than you.

They communicate to an extent, but wouldn't be able to communicate fast and effectively enough for a European party. I see you rolled right past the point of fighting in a party, which overcomes the gear. Even with full pimping gear, Chinese Ints are still one shot to rogues, and Chinese Strs still one shot to wizards.



Your completely ignoring my questions. Actually, you ignored all of them from my previous post and my comment about euros can be botted too and went on to post more stuff about chinese verse euro. Try to stay on topic. And please, post some evidence about your botter communications comments. Thanks.

Your 'Euros can be botted to' was a statement actually, and we know that. But just because they can bot a character up doesn't mean they know how to really use them. No go bring me examples of good botted warriors, mmk? Woops, sorry, they don't exist.

Can't communicate? I'll bring in the last fortress war as an example. If they had communicated, they would have all gone for the one gate. Instead, they weakened themselves and split. Not that attacking one gate only would be all that smart for them either but hey; they'd stand a beeter chance of breaking it down.

I know a Euro's weakness can be figured out in 5 minutes. BUT NOT IN A PARTY. European parties must be a new concept to some of you, because you obviously don't know the intricacies of how they work. Which also brings in how we beat them. :roll:

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Lixiae, it's generally taken that those who spend more time, hold more knowledge. Which is mirrored into, those who spend less, hold less knowledge. It's a basic principle for life itself. But, to everything, there's always an expection.

In a leveling standpoint, a team of players will always out do the loner.

Which basically boils down to: majority of the time, the legit player will have more knowledge, and with parties, the legit player will also excel in leveling.

Remember, quality and quantity aren't the same thing.


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Lixiae, it's generally taken that those who spend more time, hold more knowledge. Which is mirrored into, those who spend less, hold less knowledge. It's a basic principle for life itself. But, to everything, there's always an expection.

In a leveling standpoint, a team of players will always out do the loner.

Which basically boils down to: majority of the time, the legit player will have more knowledge, and with parties, the legit player will also excel in leveling.

Remember, quality and quantity aren't the same thing.

Thanks, it's good to see someone saw my standpoint in this. I agree with you totally about the quality > quantity remark too, and it speaks true.

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euro party weakness = kill the cleric, not that hard. I cant comment on fw on your server cuz I dont play there. You have to know that even tho your ahead in lvls now, you can't keep that pace to 80 and they will overtake you, and when they do, they will have more gold aka better gear. My comment about euros is a statement, not sure where you are going with that as I said as much in the post. :?: If the botters dont com well on your server its cuz their newb, cuz most of the "pro" botters havent left their home server.


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Lixiae, it's generally taken that those who spend more time, hold more knowledge. Which is mirrored into, those who spend less, hold less knowledge. It's a basic principle for life itself. But, to everything, there's always an expection.

In a leveling standpoint, a team of players will always out do the loner.

Which basically boils down to: majority of the time, the legit player will have more knowledge, and with parties, the legit player will also excel in leveling.

Remember, quality and quantity aren't the same thing.



Your initial statement is true, but is irrelevant in this game where the learning curve is zero. Any fool can figure out how to play any char in this game in roughly ten minutes.


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Lixiae wrote:
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Lixiae, it's generally taken that those who spend more time, hold more knowledge. Which is mirrored into, those who spend less, hold less knowledge. It's a basic principle for life itself. But, to everything, there's always an expection.

In a leveling standpoint, a team of players will always out do the loner.

Which basically boils down to: majority of the time, the legit player will have more knowledge, and with parties, the legit player will also excel in leveling.

Remember, quality and quantity aren't the same thing.



Your initial statement is true, but is irrelevant in this game where the learning curve is zero. Any fool can figure out how to play any char in this game in roughly ten minutes.


4 heaven's sake ur forgetting the farming part.


BTW. Y make Venus the onli strong legit server? We can hav more!!!. : D Hera

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Lixiae, it's generally taken that those who spend more time, hold more knowledge. Which is mirrored into, those who spend less, hold less knowledge. It's a basic principle for life itself. But, to everything, there's always an expection.

In a leveling standpoint, a team of players will always out do the loner.

Which basically boils down to: majority of the time, the legit player will have more knowledge, and with parties, the legit player will also excel in leveling.

Remember, quality and quantity aren't the same thing.

Thanks, it's good to see someone saw my standpoint in this. I agree with you totally about the quality > quantity remark too, and it speaks true.



Quality over quantity? As in reference to what? This game, like most mmo's is 100% about time spent in the game, whether your botting or not. Botting = more time played = stronger char. Am I wrong?


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Lixiae, it's generally taken that those who spend more time, hold more knowledge. Which is mirrored into, those who spend less, hold less knowledge. It's a basic principle for life itself. But, to everything, there's always an expection.

In a leveling standpoint, a team of players will always out do the loner.

Which basically boils down to: majority of the time, the legit player will have more knowledge, and with parties, the legit player will also excel in leveling.

Remember, quality and quantity aren't the same thing.



Your initial statement is true, but is irrelevant in this game where the learning curve is zero. Any fool can figure out how to play any char in this game in roughly ten minutes.


4 heaven's sake ur forgetting the farming part.


BTW. Y make Venus the onli strong legit server? We can hav more!!!. : D Hera


Sorry but did you misread my post? Your comment about farming makes zero sense to me.


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euro party weakness = kill the cleric, not that hard. I cant comment on fw on your server cuz I dont play there. You have to know that even tho your ahead in lvls now, you can't keep that pace to 80 and they will overtake you, and when they do, they will have more gold aka better gear. My comment about euros is a statement, not sure where you are going with that as I said as much in the post. :?: If the botters dont com well on your server its cuz their newb, cuz most of the "pro" botters havent left their home server.

You'd think 'kill the cleric' would kill the party wouldn't you? :roll:
They're ebating us in levels actually. They have a fair few capped characters, and some are farming. We've killed every 80 they've thrown at us; hell, even one of our 5x rogues killed a Lv80. You rementioned the botting Euros, so I thought it reasonable to state that. About the botters we face, big bot unions from Xian and Alexander came to challenge us. Both of which we've sent scampering.

You statement about more time = stronger character? Wrong. May be stronger in stats and skills, but won't be stronger in PLAYER SKILLS. Now you may argue "oh, it's such a simple game blah blah blah" but you still don't understand the complexity of a Euro party, so I'm merely talking to a brick wall about that.

While I do agree having more legit servers would be good, I think proving we can band together in one and scare the bots off is a good morale boost for the community on a whole.

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Lixiae, although I do agree on some of youre points, youre just plain ignorant.

They made some classy remarks to youre post, wich you just dont get. Get of youre high horse and just admit they might be doing good.

As long as they keep a few unions that are legit active and leveling, I find it hard to see them being beaten by any bots. Considering bots do rely on gear a lot for strenght, wich isnt that common in a new server yet. The best buffers I know are legits or people who atleast play a lot themselves. They know when to buff and when to heal, while most of the botted buffers just buff once and then go and kill themselves.

Last night I was pvping, first we had a botted cleric in our pt, he sucked, resulting in 7 level 80 chinese chars being owned by a couple of 75-80 euro/chinese hutners. Then we got a *legit* cleric, we owned the crap out of the hunters.

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euro party weakness = kill the cleric, not that hard. I cant comment on fw on your server cuz I dont play there. You have to know that even tho your ahead in lvls now, you can't keep that pace to 80 and they will overtake you, and when they do, they will have more gold aka better gear. My comment about euros is a statement, not sure where you are going with that as I said as much in the post. :?: If the botters dont com well on your server its cuz their newb, cuz most of the "pro" botters havent left their home server.

You'd think 'kill the cleric' would kill the party wouldn't you? :roll:
They're ebating us in levels actually. They have a fair few capped characters, and some are farming. We've killed every 80 they've thrown at us; hell, even one of our 5x rogues killed a Lv80. You rementioned the botting Euros, so I thought it reasonable to state that. About the botters we face, big bot unions from Xian and Alexander came to challenge us. Both of which we've sent scampering.

You statement about more time = stronger character? Wrong. May be stronger in stats and skills, but won't be stronger in PLAYER SKILLS. Now you may argue "oh, it's such a simple game blah blah blah" but you still don't understand the complexity of a Euro party, so I'm merely talking to a brick wall about that.

While I do agree having more legit servers would be good, I think proving we can band together in one and scare the bots off is a good morale boost for the community on a whole.

1. There's nothing complex about this game.
2. Newbs are newbs, whether they bot or not.
3. Ive played euro enough to know that yes, clerics are the lifeblood of a euro party. If your facing decent opposition and they go down, so does your party.
4. You still seem to be under the assumption that this is a skill game, its not.


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Lixiae, although I do agree on some of youre points, youre just plain ignorant.


Thanks for the insult.

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They made some classy remarks to youre post, wich you just dont get. Get of youre high horse and just admit they might be doing good.

My high horse? Am I boasting? Being arrogant? No, Im simply stating what I think.

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As long as they keep a few unions that are legit active and leveling, I find it hard to see them being beaten by any bots. Considering bots do rely on gear a lot for strenght, wich isnt that common in a new server yet. The best buffers I know are legits or people who atleast play a lot themselves. They know when to buff and when to heal, while most of the botted buffers just buff once and then go and kill themselves.

Your either a newb or play on newb servers, sorry but it its true.

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Last night I was pvping, first we had a botted cleric in our pt, he sucked, resulting in 7 level 80 chinese chars being owned by a couple of 75-80 euro/chinese hutners. Then we got a *legit* cleric, we owned the crap out of the hunters.



You will have to be more specific other than saying "he sucked" and provide more detail about situation before I can comment.


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Lixiae, you're underestimating the game.

Ever heard of a game called chess? It has a much shorter learning-curb than Silkroad Online. There's a total of seven pieces in chess, and they all do one action each. Does this mean chess is very easy to master? No. Chess is in fact, a very hard game to master. It requires loads of adapting and strategical thinking.

Silkroad Online introduces the Europeans. They require teamwork to flourish. You have a total of six classes for the Europeans, with a total of eight weapons to wield. All have supporting and attacking skills to help one another in battle. You need to know when, what, and where to cast your skills. (When to heal. When to cast shield. When to use attacks. When to fall back. When to revive. Etc.)

The problem with, "everyone! swarm the cleric" being a bad idea, is because you're disregarding the damage dealers. Leaving them alone for so long would be the death of you and your party. Therefore you need to disrupt the damage dealers, so you and your party can take out the life source. Within the defensive lines is the warriors, who give a huge amount of defense buff, which means: invulnerable cleric. Then, you have to destroy the warriors, but it won't be easy with the cleric always healing. Which is why, you need to disrupt the cleric to stop the healing, so you can destroy the warriors. In mean time, you need stay together, otherwise, a rogue may take you out without risk of himself being double teamed.

This is only just one of many scenarios within a battle against a party of Europeans. War is chaotic.


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