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Post subject: Every euro is going warlock Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:34 pm |
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I notice most rogue, warrior or any Euro STR character is using warlock as subclass. In my opinion, with the the warlock skills, they'll own. I pvp one today and there's no way I can kill him with all the stats he put on and making not being able to do anything but stand there getting free hits. Then when I'm just standing there stun and with all the bad stats, he switch to his dagger and I got own. Dammm, the ultimate euro build.
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Post subject: Re: Every euro is going warlock Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:36 pm |
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In war, it's useless. Cleric has 100% status prevention.
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Post subject: Re: Every euro is going warlock Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:39 pm |
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True, it's only good in pvp. But think about it, you spend more time pvping and grinding than in war. So it does come to a good use.
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Post subject: Re: Every euro is going warlock Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:41 pm |
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NuclearSilo wrote: In war, it's useless. Cleric has 100% status prevention. Have you seen a decent warlock in a war? They make all the difference when they play as a support class, giving scream mask and stunning others and giving panic. Not to mention all of the absolute damage skills they got. When a wizard goes out in full buffs + screens and life control thinking they're invincible, it just takes an absolute damage move and poof they're gone. They excel for guild war/fortress war.
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Post subject: Re: Every euro is going warlock Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:48 pm |
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A party with warlock usually OWN, warlocks can f!!k off sosun users with his curses. Now that the euro update have a very good time, ppl are starting to see the insane power of the warlocks. I wanna have one 
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Post subject: Re: Every euro is going warlock Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:55 pm |
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they totaly pwn in my server there ain,t are that much warlocks yet only 1 72+ but he don,t know how to switch fast enough i think :S but soon i will make 1 also 
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Post subject: Re: Every euro is going warlock Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 10:57 pm |
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i predicted everyone would go for warlock sub after seeing that one guy in athens tanking 5 sunners
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Post subject: Re: Every euro is going warlock Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:14 pm |
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Berto wrote: NuclearSilo wrote: In war, it's useless. Cleric has 100% status prevention. Have you seen a decent warlock in a war? They make all the difference when they play as a support class, giving scream mask and stunning others and giving panic. Not to mention all of the absolute damage skills they got. When a wizard goes out in full buffs + screens and life control thinking they're invincible, it just takes an absolute damage move and poof they're gone. They excel for guild war/fortress war. As I said, Holy Spell makes all your status skill useless. It's 100% prevent level 8 for 300s. Warlock is not the only who has Absolute dmg. If I were u, I'd choose Cleric for bless spell and some usefull spell. Warlock belongs to Caster class, and it's not a support class!
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Post subject: Re: Every euro is going warlock Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:32 pm |
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Im undefeated on alps. Even Hawa in full sosun garms and sosun +7 glaive lost to me. Using snow shield and vigors. Warlock is just plain amazing, and for those saying a warlock in war is useless, its obvious you have never experienced one. Truly exceptional in wars. Cant tell you how many times i turned the tide when hutners were being slaughtered without killing one thief. With a few buffs, some warlock work, the thieves go down e-z. Dont even try to say cleric beats it all, because no it doesnt. Warlocks can still curse, and use select skills that are extremely usefull in defeating clerics, even unsuited ones buffing thieves.
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Post subject: Re: Every euro is going warlock Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:41 pm |
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NuclearSilo wrote: Berto wrote: NuclearSilo wrote: In war, it's useless. Cleric has 100% status prevention. Have you seen a decent warlock in a war? They make all the difference when they play as a support class, giving scream mask and stunning others and giving panic. Not to mention all of the absolute damage skills they got. When a wizard goes out in full buffs + screens and life control thinking they're invincible, it just takes an absolute damage move and poof they're gone. They excel for guild war/fortress war. As I said, Holy Spell makes all your status skill useless. It's 100% prevent level 8 for 300s. Warlock is not the only who has Absolute dmg. If I were u, I'd choose Cleric for bless spell and some usefull spell. Warlock belongs to Caster class, and it's not a support class! you're right about the 100% prevent but you're wrong about being useless, this is why most warlocks are nubs they don't have their fact straights. thanks to this, we don't have any real warlock competition on Venus, or we might have some real problems at fortress war. and they should be considered a support class but a different type than clerics. if clerics are the medics then warlocks are the frigging air support. I've never full farmed a 80 warlock but debuffs own oblation, if they even have oblation... means they most likely won't have holyspell/word on, debuffs will rock them hands down. Advanced Reflect is just beast end of story. Scream Mask is the most annoying skill in the world, and kept me alive when i was tanking 15+ guys once. Two big guilds were guild warring i decided to go purple between them and they all attacked me, thanks to scream mask I lived to tell the tale. I'm sure they're useful in several other ways but I don't know enough about the class to give a lecture so i won't, still waiting on nub astra and gay Apricot to hit 80 and be fully farmed. on topic[[[ but as for all euros going warlock, just because warlock owns that doesn't mean cleric sub and bard sub can be taken for granted... if everyone goes warlock, once the cleric goes down who's going to rez.... and don't tell me you're all going to buy typhoons every time you pvp you need bards for speed if not for mana and a bunch of other shiz]]
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Post subject: Re: Every euro is going warlock Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:42 pm |
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NuclearSilo wrote: In war, it's useless. Cleric has 100% status prevention. As I've stated many times before, Holy Spell does not make having a Warlock sub-class useless.
I was in Fortress War for this first time ever on my character recently, and I only died ONCE to a rogue that zerked me and crit me. Granted, my Advanced Reflect killed him as well lol. (I'd also like to point out that he had a Cleric sub-class with Bless Spell and Holy Spell activated. So much for useless warlocks skills, eh?)
As for Warlock being played as a caster class goes, there aren't any rules that say you shouldn't play one otherwise. That's like saying a Bard or a Cleric must be pure int and shouldn't have a sub-class because they must play their role as buffers.
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Post subject: Re: Every euro is going warlock Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:54 pm |
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Quote: As I've stated many times before, Holy Spell does not make having a Warlock sub-class useless. Quote: I'd also like to point out that he had a Cleric sub-class with Bless Spell and Holy Spell activated Holy spell same lvl as curses skills? All skills of Warlock except Stun belong to 3 groups: Curse, Restriction and Weakening. If u keep saying that skills will work with a 100% probabilty prevention, then I'd have to tell u that JM is farked up with their game code again. So tell me how could u be more useful than other class if u cannot use curses?
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Post subject: Re: Every euro is going warlock Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2008 11:58 pm |
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NuclearSilo wrote: Quote: As I've stated many times before, Holy Spell does not make having a Warlock sub-class useless. Quote: I'd also like to point out that he had a Cleric sub-class with Bless Spell and Holy Spell activated Holy spell same lvl as curses skills? All skills of Warlock except Stun belong to 3 groups: Curse, Restriction and Weakening. If u keep saying that skills will work with a 100% probabilty prevention, then I'd have to tell u that JM is farked up with their game code again. So tell me how could u be more useful than other class if u cannot use curses? Wow, you dont read peoples posts much do you? I've seen them say it plenty of times. Panic, stuns, and attack skills still work. As well as reflect. A clerics bless and healing is useless when they are stunned and cant heal, have panic for even higher pot delay, and your doing absolute damage to them. Not to mention reflecting a 20k offering onto a cleric is insta pwned. In job wars, a cleric is even less effective agaisnt warlocks. So what if you cant use a few curses. Panic > every chinese out there. Constant stuns and kbs with your shield. Advanced reflect. No chance.
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Post subject: Re: Every euro is going warlock Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:00 am |
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My Lv64 Warlock/Cleric, is awesome. I can reasonably easily kill Lv80's with it! 70x are no problems. Video = http://youtube.com/watch?v=NEZ36Ls_IwU=]. They're not worthless, they can kill easily!
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Post subject: Re: Every euro is going warlock Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:04 am |
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Post subject: Re: Every euro is going warlock Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:09 am |
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NuclearSilo wrote: Quote: As I've stated many times before, Holy Spell does not make having a Warlock sub-class useless. Quote: I'd also like to point out that he had a Cleric sub-class with Bless Spell and Holy Spell activated Holy spell same lvl as curses skills? All skills of Warlock except Stun belong to 3 groups: Curse, Restriction and Weakening. If u keep saying that skills will work with a 100% probabilty prevention, then I'd have to tell u that JM is farked up with their game code again. So tell me how could u be more useful than other class if u cannot use curses? Maybe you just need to see a decent warlock once before criticizing. As that one other dude Vindicator said, they completely change the tide of war.
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Post subject: Re: Every euro is going warlock Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:10 am |
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Pericles wrote: A party with warlock usually OWN, warlocks can f!!k off sosun users with his curses. Now that the euro update have a very good time, ppl are starting to see the insane power of the warlocks. I wanna have one  +1
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Post subject: Re: Every euro is going warlock Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:10 am |
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ya there are lotz off euro using warlock sub its fun though in pvp 
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Post subject: Re: Every euro is going warlock Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:11 am |
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Post subject: Re: Every euro is going warlock Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:12 am |
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NuclearSilo wrote: Holy spell same lvl as curses skills? That's what I mean. Advanced Reflect made it irrelevant that he had those skills activated. By inflicting higher damage on me and having that damage reflect back onto him, he killed himself by killing me. =)
Quote: All skills of Warlock except Stun belong to 3 groups: Curse, Restriction and Weakening. If u keep saying that skills will work with a 100% probabilty prevention, then I'd have to tell u that JM is farked up with their game code again. So tell me how could u be more useful than other class if u cannot use curses? It's been known for a while now that Wheel Bind, which gives Panic Status (which gives characters a pot delay) will work even with Holy Spell. Bug? Most likely. Those who don't like it, I'd like to point you to the Bug Submission page in the SRO site. Then theres also Bleed Status from curses and Dull Status, which will work and also act like a mini division status.
How is Warlock effective if I cannot use curses? Simple- I make my opponents skills unusable. I stun/knockback and interrupt their skills and use my own Warrior skills in between. It's not very difficult to do. o.O Then there's always reflect, which will make any damage-dealing build think twice about hitting me.
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Post subject: Re: Every euro is going warlock Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:16 am |
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lol I remember when people said Warlocks suck and they were the least played Euro class.
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Post subject: Re: Every euro is going warlock Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:27 am |
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NuclearSilo wrote: Panic and Stun belong to Restriction series http://www.konpaku.com.br/statu.aspCongratz, now what are you trying to prove with that info? Nothing changed. I would like to point out to everyone, warlock may not be as fun as you think. Dont get me wrong, i LOVED it, but after a while, I couldnt do anything. At lvl 77 I could kill anyone. At lvl 80 i only got stronger with my new skill. I had to beg people to pvp me. I would beg like a 10k plys turk for pvp from fully equiped sun chars. All for what? 15 second pvp, they die, start to complain and the fun is over  . It got so bad, that I couldn't even job war. I would go to east dw, start fighting, and suddenly...all the thieves are gone  . If im hunting a trade, most thieves dont come back after they have been killed, because they know its useless to fight a euro party of hunters, especially with a warrior warlock in there. My 1h warrior / warlock is by far the strongest char I have ever made, still undefeated on alps, but in terms of funness, I would have to go with my glaiver just because he can lose.
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Post subject: Re: Every euro is going warlock Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:33 am |
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Quote: It's been known for a while now that Wheel Bind, which gives Panic Status (which gives characters a pot delay) will work even with Holy Spell. Bug? Most likely. Those who don't like it, I'd like to point you to the Bug Submission page in the SRO site. Then theres also Bleed Status from curses and Dull Status, which will work and also act like a mini division status. Ok, assumming there is a bug in Holy Spell. But what do u think Integrity does? 1 click = cure all statuses lvl 8 and forgot about the pills? 1 click = all cure Quote: How is Warlock effective if I cannot use curses? Simple- I make my opponents skills unusable. I stun/knockback and interrupt their skills and use my own Warrior skills in between. It's not very difficult to do. o.O Do u always buff before battle, or buff when/after battle? Go to DW and see how many safe zoner, and I'll look forward how can u stop their skill in safe zone? Quote: Then there's always reflect, which will make any damage-dealing build think twice about hitting me. Do u always give reflect buff for a tanker, or for low HP int? Stun? Knockback? KB=80%, stun=35% Chinese bow: KB=80% Try to compete interrupt skill with the bow.
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Post subject: Re: Every euro is going warlock Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:34 am |
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Da_Realest wrote: lol I remember when people said Warlocks suck and they were the least played Euro class. Lols yeah, I remember when people took the poll of "Which euro class do you plan to make?" Warlock was last place with 2 votes or something, one including me 
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Post subject: Re: Every euro is going warlock Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:35 am |
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Snoopy wrote: My Lv64 Warlock/Cleric, is awesome. I can reasonably easily kill Lv80's with it! 70x are no problems. Video = http://youtube.com/watch?v=NEZ36Ls_IwU=]. They're not worthless, they can kill easily! Yea, lets see a video of any lvl 64 anything killing a lvl 80. Bull ;d. Unless the 80 is a complete noob >_>. They are adding abunch of new alchemy stuff to eventually arent they, so less chance to get a bunch of that warlock status stuff. Warlock is definitely good, its not like some super great class.
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Post subject: Re: Every euro is going warlock Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:38 am |
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Vindicator wrote: NuclearSilo wrote: Panic and Stun belong to Restriction series http://www.konpaku.com.br/statu.aspCongratz, now what are you trying to prove with that info? Nothing changed. I would like to point out to everyone, warlock may not be as fun as you think. Dont get me wrong, i LOVED it, but after a while, I couldnt do anything. At lvl 77 I could kill anyone. At lvl 80 i only got stronger with my new skill. I had to beg people to pvp me. I would beg like a 10k plys turk for pvp from fully equiped sun chars. All for what? 15 second pvp, they die, start to complain and the fun is over  . It got so bad, that I couldn't even job war. I would go to east dw, start fighting, and suddenly...all the thieves are gone  . If im hunting a trade, most thieves dont come back after they have been killed, because they know its useless to fight a euro party of hunters, especially with a warrior warlock in there. My 1h warrior / warlock is by far the strongest char I have ever made, still undefeated on alps, but in terms of funness, I would have to go with my glaiver just because he can lose. lol. if u dont want the character, then there is someone who does  . Warlock/Cleric are pawnage, but its hard to lvl them cause parties dont invite them and they only have one g@y nuke. i know cause i used to be a warlock/cleric, but i deleted it. 1h/warlock are SUPER PAWNAGE, u should look at some of vapore's videos, with the debuffs, 1h does as much dmg as 2h! i dont get the point of rogue/warlock. they can 1 hit KO anyway, so they dont need the debuffs.
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Post subject: Re: Every euro is going warlock Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:43 am |
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PB_and_J wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzZ7pAT8Ung This doesnt show warlock is good but the sun 80 is noob. Curse doesnt work with a fire/ice wall. Tell me how many lvl 80 in your server know how to use a PILL and a WALL? 0?
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Post subject: Re: Every euro is going warlock Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:46 am |
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Do warlock debuffs work when disease is on the opponent? (even if he has holy word)
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Post subject: Re: Every euro is going warlock Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 12:48 am |
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Vindicator wrote: NuclearSilo wrote: Panic and Stun belong to Restriction series http://www.konpaku.com.br/statu.aspCongratz, now what are you trying to prove with that info? Nothing changed. I would like to point out to everyone, warlock may not be as fun as you think. Dont get me wrong, i LOVED it, but after a while, I couldnt do anything. At lvl 77 I could kill anyone. At lvl 80 i only got stronger with my new skill. I had to beg people to pvp me. I would beg like a 10k plys turk for pvp from fully equiped sun chars. All for what? 15 second pvp, they die, start to complain and the fun is over  . It got so bad, that I couldn't even job war. I would go to east dw, start fighting, and suddenly...all the thieves are gone  . If im hunting a trade, most thieves dont come back after they have been killed, because they know its useless to fight a euro party of hunters, especially with a warrior warlock in there. My 1h warrior / warlock is by far the strongest char I have ever made, still undefeated on alps, but in terms of funness, I would have to go with my glaiver just because he can lose. OMG! XD
That's exactly what I'm going through right now haha. No one ever PvPs me anymore. Kinda sucks. =/ I basically stand in DW south and repeatedly ask if anyone wants to PvP, which usually gets no response other than level 30 players nuking me. >_> I'm not the kind of person that just rushes up to a random player and starts attacking. I wait until someone begins attacking me then I PvP them. But if someone starts attacking my friends, I'll use that as an excuse to fight someone. 
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- Do you think I'll let the Cleric use Integrity? This is when Stuns/kb come in handy. And you know how many people actually use the abnormal status pills? From my experience, only 3 people I've fought used the pills and even then they died. They have a 15 second delay if you weren't aware.
- I'm not sure I understand your second response lol. o_O Are you talking about Clerics in safe zone buffing other players?
- Like I said in my response, I use Reflect against damage-dealing builds (wizards, rogues, nukers, etc). And actually stun has 80% probability as does Shield Crush (And Warlock has TWO separate stun skills, meaning even more interrupting). Not to mention Sprint Assault can also stun. Believe me, KB from a bow is not even an issue lol. Sprint Assault makes their KB useless.
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