Weapon Damage Output Break Even Point

Cerus · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 1002 **Location:**

STR Builds use Blade.
Int Builds use Sword.
As for hybrid, application is similar too.

Situation:
Hybrid build using ONLY weapon skill + imbue.
Question:
At what PHY:MAG balance will this build hav same damage when using either blade or sword?

NuclearSilo? Mayb u'll hav the answer?

ShadowReaver · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 335 **Location:**

Problem is that blade and sword have a changing dmg and reinforce, which affects the damage output. I dont think they can be even at any point if the mag:def balance is a constant.

BIG EDIT : here are some calculations.
and i did them without the imbue, cause it's a one large big headache

but let's assume the mag/phy. reinforce is a constant.
i took a lvl 72 chinese sword and lvl 72 blade with 0% on all attributes, and the numbers i'm using here are the minimum number in the range. let's call the STR S, and the INT I.

blade
phy dmg + mag dmg = 626 + 942 = 1568
the reinforces dmg is S * 133% + I * 201%
so in total it's 1568 + (133S/100) + (201I/100) = 1568 + 0.133S + 0.201I

sword
phy dmg + mag dmg = 588 + 1001 = 1589
reinforces dmg is (S * 125%/100) + (I * 214%/100) = 0.125S + 0.214I + 1589.

now u wanna compare them
1568 + 0.133S + 0.201I = 0.125S + 0.214I + 1589

21 - 0.008I + 0.013S = 0

21 = 0.08I - 0.013S

now all u need is to tell me how mag balance and phy. balance is calculated (cause i have no clue) and use this equation to get ur answers. of course this numbers will change due to the range of damge/reinforce.

(hope i didnt to any math mistakes, long time since i touched this thing

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Cerus · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 1002 **Location:**

Every Int point you placed increase your mag damage and decrease your phy damage.
Every Str point you placed increase your phy damage and decrease your mag damage.

You are using a weapon skill + imbue. Which means it consist of both magical and physical damage.

Altho there might not b a point where the damage output are exactly the same by using either a sword or a blade. But there should be a point where the damage using either sword or blade is so close that it doesn't really matter if you are using a sword or a blade.

phulshof · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 1137 **Location:**

True, but the question is: damage is equal performing which skill? All the skills also have their additional damage. Calculating equal damage doing a normal hit wouldn't be a huge problem, but that does not mean the damage between sword and blade will also be the same when performing a nuke, a chain, a knockdown, a stab, etc.

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:50 am

1:1 => 75:62 is the most balance build, your distribution of int/str is equal

BUT this is on mob only
fighting a pure str/int in garment, blade will have higher dmg
fighting a pure str/int in armor, sword will have higher dmg

Build this with full blue and have a cleric with u, u'll become a str nuker with 94%phy:92%mag

ShadowReaver · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 335 **Location:**

NuclearSilo wrote:

1:1 => 75:62 is the most balance build, your distribution of int/str is equal

BUT this is on mob only
fighting a pure str/int in garment, blade will have higher dmg
fighting a pure str/int in armor, sword will have higher dmg

Build this with full blue and have a cleric with u, u'll become a str nuker with 94%phy:92%mag

can u show how u got to this answer ?

tedtwilliger · **Posted:** Thu Apr 10, 2008 8:58 am

Your description is too vague

What skill? What enemy? Which imbue? Which skill? WHat buffs are you including? Are you including external buffs into the equation? What weapon? the difference between 2 npc weapons and 2 sun weapons should create different results. Also if your versing a player, what defense type is he wearing? the stats of it?

All these things are variables which will always change the result and will need to be specified before a general answer can be given.

ShadowReaver · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 335 **Location:**

tedtwilliger wrote:

Your description is too vague

What skill? What enemy? Which imbue? Which skill? WHat buffs are you including? Are you including external buffs into the equation? What weapon? the difference between 2 npc weapons and 2 sun weapons should create different results. Also if your versing a player, what defense type is he wearing? the stats of it?

All these things are variables which will always change the result and will need to be specified before a general answer can be given.

true.
my equation was based on zero armor, and only attack, without any skill/imbue and 2 npc weapons with zero attributes. there is no one single answer.

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:29 am

ShadowReaver wrote:

NuclearSilo wrote:

1:1 => 75:62 is the most balance build, your distribution of int/str is equal

BUT this is on mob only
fighting a pure str/int in garment, blade will have higher dmg
fighting a pure str/int in armor, sword will have higher dmg

Build this with full blue and have a cleric with u, u'll become a str nuker with 94%phy:92%mag

can u show how u got to this answer ?

Result deduce from personal experience. At 80:45, using a blade, mag dmg = phy dmg, when i switch to sword dmg is a bit lower. At 70:70, using sword, when swith to blade, dmg is a bit lower.

Math give a bit the same result. Add all the stat, u'll notice that sword always have 1.13 times higher in everything (power, reinforce) so int need to be 1.13x lower
=> 205 int, 230 str => 77:59 balance

dmg indirectly depends on the balance because balance depends on the int/str distribution.

ShadowReaver · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 335 **Location:**

NuclearSilo wrote:

ShadowReaver wrote:

NuclearSilo wrote:

1:1 => 75:62 is the most balance build, your distribution of int/str is equal

BUT this is on mob only
fighting a pure str/int in garment, blade will have higher dmg
fighting a pure str/int in armor, sword will have higher dmg

Build this with full blue and have a cleric with u, u'll become a str nuker with 94%phy:92%mag

can u show how u got to this answer ?

Result deduce from personal experience. At 80:45, using a blade, mag dmg = phy dmg, when i switch to sword dmg is a bit lower. At 70:70, using sword, when swith to blade, dmg is a bit lower.

Math give a bit the same result. Add all the stat, u'll notice that sword always have 1.13 times higher in everything (power, reinforce) so int need to be 1.13x lower
=> 205 int, 230 str => 77:59 balance

dmg indirectly depends on the balance because balance depends on the int/str distribution.

i c. one thing i still havent understood yet. all those 80:45 and 77:59 numbers, how 205 int 230 str become 77:59 balance ? how do u calculate the balance ?

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Thu Apr 10, 2008 9:50 am

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ShadowReaver · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 335 **Location:**

NuclearSilo wrote:

nivlam.com

-.- i kinda hoped for equation, like with reinforces, well thx anyway

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Thu Apr 10, 2008 10:08 am

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PureStr · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 1244 **Location:** GTA5

Cerus wrote:

Every Int point you placed increase your mag damage and decrease your phy damage.
Every Str point you placed increase your phy damage and decrease your mag damage.

I have heavy doubts on that.
I dont think it decreases it, it just dosent increase it...

ShadowReaver · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 335 **Location:**

PureStr wrote:

Cerus wrote:

Every Int point you placed increase your mag damage and decrease your phy damage.
Every Str point you placed increase your phy damage and decrease your mag damage.

I have heavy doubts on that.
I dont think it decreases it, it just dosent increase it...

very true

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