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So, its been awhile since I made a topic. I've been thinking (for the last 5 minutes, ONOZ!) about SRO. I notice people are always QQing about Europeans pwning Chinese and what not, I will say this: Being a player who prefers Chinese to Europeans I feel your pain. So My question/discussion of the day is:

Since Chinese weapons are Hybrid Weapons wouldn't Chinese be better off with Hybrid Builds instead of Pure? What if you're missing out on a Possible advantage of Going Hybrid. People seem to shun any Hybrid Build that isn't a bow or int.

Like Bows should be balanced, 70:70.
Hybrid Ints Should be between 90% and 80% Naked Magical Balance.
Hybrid Strs Should be between 90% and 80% Naked Physical Balance.

Obviously Europeans should be pure, but Joymax made Chinese with Hybrid in Mind. Cuch explained the advantages of being Hybrid in a great post, I'll go look for it.

Remember, the question of the day is:
Since Chinese weapons are Hybrid Weapons wouldn't Chinese be better off with Hybrid Builds instead of Pure?

So discuss, leave comments, think about it.

I was debating between C&S and GD, I chose GD.

I agree actually. The only thing is that I dont know how a hybrid blader would do in pvp, when a pure str glavie comes around and can out damage him. However, with that new buff, they can get some more damage, and with more int, I guess the magical side would be a little stronger??

I wouldn't know, since I have been playing euro since it came out. However, i plan on making another bow or even blader sometime in the future.

yes its true, I've actually seen hybrid chinese ints do more dmg than pures with weapon skills...and snow shield + higher hybrid and defense from hybrid means they don't die from one 2h warrior critical like a pure will.

Well, he would do High base damage. It Might be Higher than the Glaivers and he already has a shield and a 15 second Physical damage buff, so thats another advantage. The Glaivers Imbue would do lower damage on him but the physical attack would do Higher damage. This can be offset by a pimped protector set. Int classes would do lower damage on him because he now has a Higher Magical Defense. 15 seconds of High Physical Defense, then wait out the Persons Attacks. With Stronger Moves and status effects, a Higher snow shield percentage Level. This means more HP for 2 minutes, overall Hybrid does seem appealing. His Critical hits would be lower but he can kill faster and probably last longer.

EDIT*1: Like if I were to start a new character on any server (excluding new servers, Europe Based). If I were lucky enough to meet another human being they would first tell me that I shouldn't be a Blader. If I say I'm going Hybrid they'll tell me Str Hybrid Sucks.

I understand, going pure seems easier and safer but isn't making your build all about taking risk? Sure, you might fck up when you cap but by the time you're capped you would be buying silk. Silk means you can reverse Build Mistakes, sometimes it isn't the stats that are messed up but the Build itself. As we get closer to 100+ cap, it might be very important to start putting more thought into builds and Hybrid might become a choice in the madness that is SRO.

ive actualy thought about this point quite alot. i think the fact that chinese weapons have physical and magical attacks allows for hybrids to be successfull as oposed to european builds where they are impractical.

i know of several pure ints and str chars that can defeat euroes higher than them without suns or copius amounts of +7 gear. (despite this i still think that euros are overpowerd) but i think chinese chars in general allow for more flexibility

he wouldn't last longer. u'r basically sacrificing defense for more offense. imo, if u'r going for blader, you shouldn't go hybrid. if you like the sword moves, go hybrid int sword. sure, u can cast snow shield, but what happens when the minute is up? u'r a blader that has less tanking ability and less hp. don't forget that pure str bladers can also cast snowshield, they go from good tanker to great tanker every other minute.

that's how i feel about blader, but it's obviously a difference of opinions on how you wanna play the character.

Only thing I want to point out is that both anti devil and strong bow have crit increases. A 70:70 bow would barely benefit from those. Pacheon seems to favor str based builds.

Well I don't think they are meant to be hybrids.
That some hybrid builds if you do it right turn out good, yea.
But the reason the weapons are hybrid is simply because Chinese have both physical and magical attacks. Remember the difference between Chinese and euro is that Chinese use imbue. Euros don't. INT euros don't have weapon attacks, STR euros don't have magical attacks. Chinese have both, so comes the need for hybrid weapons. Plain & simple.

Well, more thoughts on the subject: Magical Damage and Physical Damage, would you really be making a big sacrafice?

If you're Pure Str then when a Pure Int Nukes you it does Higher damage as opposed to a Nuke on another Pure Int. Wouldn't that same concept apply here? So would you really be sacraficing much other than some HP depending on how much of a Hybrid you are? I don't think your ability to tank gets worse; in fact, I think it gets better.

Magical Damage now does less damage [X]
This includes Imbues and Nukes, All Chinese Builds attack with Imbue. Sure you might have less Physical defense but as I said, this can be offset with Gear.

There are Three Choices:
[1]Garments give a nice boost to Magical Defense.
[2]Protector is the median.
[3]Armor is the Physical tank.

Wouldn't a pimped Protector set compensate?

The Snowshield, going Hybrid means more MP which in turns means Higher Snowshield Level.

A level 30% or 40% Snowshield is far better than a 20% especially since just 20% Snowshield could cause a hassle for pure strs.



How does crit increase work? Does it increase the chance of critting or the actual Damage? If it increases the Chance of Critting then Higher Damage (even a small amount of Higher Damage) is always favorable. Also going Hybrid means several possibilities, especially with bows.



Yes that is true but with Ints, the Imbue manages to do quite a bit of Damage on Pure Str. "When a Hybrid is done right." When a Hybrid is done right, it (imo) is better than both its pure counterparts. Also, wouldn't a Hybrid enjoy the benefits of both physical and magical based buffs more when used together?

You know what happend ... since you all guys perfered full str or full int ... and Joymax made you weapons for hybrid , they saw you doing full str and full int builds , so they decided to make a race , which will go that way ... then they putted europeans , who will only have to be full str / full int ...


I agree 100% , Chinese should go hybrid .

barotix, a hybrid in prot would be basically the same thing as a pure str in garms. also, when a pure int nukes the pure str, the str will most likely have a high lvl of fire protection series to counter it. with hybrid, you'll have to choose between ice, fire, and light. with the 90 cap, it gets even harder.

i believe that with the skills and the stat points, a pure str and a hybrid str will be practically the same fully buffed. however, that snowshield will not last forever, and when taht happens, the hybrid will be at a disadvantage.

Well, this disadvantage is defense. I think it won't really change much, especially if the Hybrid does Higher damage. If what I'm thinking works in practice then a Hybrid Blader might be better than a pure str one.

Quick, I need a job to buy silk:
Publix or CVS?

Back OnT:
The Hybrid will do Higher Damage on the Pure Str and the Pure Str won't do as High Damage as you think. The Pure Strs Imbue won't be Hitting Hard and the Protector Helps Physical Defense, we have the 15 second Defense Buffs and if used with the right mode moves (*cough shieldpd), you might be able to end the battel before those 15 seconds are up. You also have Debuffs to increase your damage, if you decided to go Force then the Pure Str won't be hitting for much. Thinking about it isn't good enough. I could always work for my dad >.>

then if u go hybrid, make sure u put the right amount of int to balance out the hp and defense u'll be losing. that extra imbue damage better be worth it.

CVS ftw

1:5 hybrid wizard with full pimped gear is the same as a 1:7 hybrid heuksal spear. Both strong as hell. We have a 1:5 hybrid wizard and he nukes 10k [without LT]. He tanks [unlike other wizards] without snow and is 1 of the strongest wizzys in Saturn.

BTW I have 60% phy balance, 92% mag naked. O.o weird? or? im 38 point hybrid int spear =o

hmm.. from what i've seen, albels hybrid blader (idk the ratio) did pretty well in pvp.

but imho, going hybrid ruins the purpose of having a great tanker and a strong damage dealer.

NuclearSilo was doing the project thing in another post about str hybrids i think and that has some good points. I personally am making a hybrid blader which is lvl 60 now but not farmed at all or geared to say how its doing in pvp. I am sure like Barotix many of us have thought about it; i have for a long time and so i have no pure chinese char.. except a pure int spear, which is more like a hit and run type and i dont except it to survive anything .

I think the defence you lose while fighting a pure str glavie as a hybrid balder (both having the same mastery and weap/fire as main) you will gain as offence, putting more int in blader you can hit the glavie where he has less defence ( magical def) and you gain slight more magical defence from you extra int, which take off some damage from his imbue (though it might be not be much); at the same time you are doing more damage than an average blader and you should be in protector. So in a way if the int amount is put right you gain more physical defence in going protector ( since mastery of both are same if hes ice 30 then so are you and cosidering they both have same pimped gear).

So the only con is less hp to tank; with higher damage output, wheather it be a blader/glavier i think that should not be an issue; not to mention you have more mp to actually use a higher snow shield.

i guess i can post on how my hybrid blader is doing later, but its long way from being done

on the GNG WC events the players were given 5:1 hybrid int chineese characters , this says it all imo .

Let me quote something I posted LONG LONG ago:



At the time I still thought full STR is the way to go for a bow, but I've had a second thought since I played my 70:70 bow.

I've been a 2:1 int hyb spear which i ditched after the 80 skillcap update, but before that it was a killer, can tank and dish out damage, i was pretty amazed myself only needing a soul spear to kill a pure int (that wasn't at really low lvl, it was until 66-ish when the 80 skillcap was released)

I'm now a str bow and i must say those crit increase skills do favor pure str. Of my main 4 skill lineup used in grinding 3 of them have crit 10(350%), 30(250%) and 35(250%) increase

The only pure str that works as hybrid seems to be Blader. Its the only one I've seen that performs well. A hybrid archer is just too easy to kill. If they leave fire down then they don't do maximum damage. If they max Fire they leave ice out making them have barely any snowshield to keep them up. And leaving light seems to be out of the question because they all seem to like speed. A hybrid glaiver only works with fully pimped gear. Hybrids work better for Pure ints on a general basis. But for str, the only one that works is a blader. A 2:1 str hybrid blader can keep up a 40% snow shield and still have fire. So they do extra damage from the imbue and can tank better than pure str cause of snow shield. An archer is best pure str because theyre weapon itself does not have much magical damage or physical as a matter of fact. The only going for archers are their ridiculous ability to crit with 40 crit increase attacks. Again for glaivers, the thing that makes them stand out is the fact they have so much more hp than the other pure str chinese builds. Having the 3k more hp separates a glaiver from the other pure str characters. They do the most dmg and have the most hp. Killing the hp means killing the damage as well.

OT: can tank, can tank. We are talking about chinese, not euro.
In chinese chars, nobody tanks, nobody nukes, nobody asists, all are based in the weaponship which select (Heuksal, pacheon, bicheon) , and all are the 3 things, (tankers, nukers and buffers)

If blader is the tank, what is the archer???!!
With that ideas, ppl started to create "chinese wizards" (only nukes), which has been saw that isnt good againt str/str hibrid chars (china and euro)

OnT: 100% AGREE, as i saw before, chinese can be which they want, only his stats and skills decides if they will b good more in offense or defense.
Heuksal: Have more offense/mag inmmunity
Bicheon: Have more defense/phy inmunnity
Pacheon: Range, perfect skills for him (frost wall series, fire wall series) / good dmg (att. rating)

So, Bows are pushing towards Pure Str and Heavy Str Hybrid. Some Players prefer Int Hybrid Bows (70:70). There was a 1:1 Glaiver video that showed how a Balanced Hybrid Glaiver would preform at 80 cap and there is a 5:1 Force Blader Video on Youtube. We already Know most int Hybrids are full of win and we have established the 5:1-2:1 Blader as a good build. Some People build based on balances. Like Fudges 85% Physical Balance Force Bow.

I Think the problem with Hybrids is that people rely to heavily on Ratios and Hybrids need buffs from Fire, Light, and Ice. IMO, this is where European buffers are necessary. They compensate for the lack of certain buffs (excluding snowshield).

@Pericles, Glaivers and Bladers are the Tanks. Archers and Nukers are Support Characters.

Back OnT: So; could one say, as the game gets closer to caps like 100, Group PvP may become the more popular form of PvP in Isro. I mean we'll still have our 1v1 cape fights but it looks like Joymax is Pushing Towards Group Actions.

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Ok

What I mean by Tank is, "the ability to survive." They're obviously not comparable to European Tanks but they can still tank. It really depends on what you consider a tank.

I'm hybrid with my bow character, it's amazing on every level. My tanking capability is not severely decreased as some may speculate yet my offence ability is spiked way up. I feel like I made a really appropriate choice.

Mind if I ask what kind of hybrid you are?

85% Str hybrid.

well...i had a lv 56 str heavy hybrid(almost 90% str and 80% int) blader and even with good skills for a lv 56 it was kinda crappy versus many builds,could only defeat bow at my lvl(2years ago when i played in greece btw) and my ex-pure str blader make a better dmg with worst skills at lv 56..but maybe hybrid idea just suck for bladers cause they should be tank..

hybrid str bow was the best build 80 cap.
there was a reason why liquidsmooth was so full of himself so i made the build myself.
there was no build that would take down the 80 pach, 80 fire, 70 light, 70 ice hybrid str bow.
it had everything and everything, even 40% snow could be used (against good int use one book lower). Now not so much, it relied on the trees too much.

Blader= Physical attack tank
Glaivers= Magical attack tank
Archers= Support