should i have a sun+11 set...

quas · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 111 **Location:**

...to stand up to a rogue as an int?

i just now played ctf... i died, spawnraped... only 1 rogue (daggers) was at the spawn, i was like, ure mine... i spawn, snowshield on, 1 nuke... he attacks 500, 500, crit 1000, im dead...

i mean wtf? warriors make 200, crit about 500...

i rly didnt know it was so aggressive... 1st time pvp with a rogue...

should i avoid rogues, is this a massive fail by JM or is this gonna change?

VanTokkern · **Joined:** Jun 2006 **Posts:** 112 **Location:**

Probably a massive fail, Joymax was never too good at balancing things out

strangelove · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 1255 **Location:** no

Strategize your moves. I find rogues some of the easiest to PvP because of their low defense. Yes, they have very high damage with their buffs activated but that's your chance to strike, when their defense is laughably low. When they're not buffed and (most likely) attacking you with bless spell on, attempt to stop them. It's easier than you think.

quas · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 111 **Location:**

Fug_Dup wrote:

Strategize your moves. I find rogues some of the easiest to PvP because of their low defense. Yes, they have very high damage with their buffs activated but that's your chance to strike, when their defense is laughably low. When they're not buffed and (most likely) attacking you with bless spell on, attempt to stop them. It's easier than you think.

whats your build?

salmissra · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 1487 **Location:**

believe me i know how you feel >.< .

the only class that i found useful is the warlock class...mainly due to the stun...since it's an instant cast skill

stun --> 2 curses --> nuke and the rogue is dead. also it's great to use against a dagger rogue emerging from stealth..

but besides that you will just have to come up with a strategy. try using ice imbue? or the ice freeze first to slow him down. or if you have s/s try kding him fast.

what is your build btw?

strangelove · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 1255 **Location:** no

quas wrote:

Fug_Dup wrote:

Strategize your moves. I find rogues some of the easiest to PvP because of their low defense. Yes, they have very high damage with their buffs activated but that's your chance to strike, when their defense is laughably low. When they're not buffed and (most likely) attacking you with bless spell on, attempt to stop them. It's easier than you think.

whats your build?

Warrior/Warlock

quas · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 111 **Location:**

^^lol
i said int... u have time to strategize...
did i mention his crit was 1k?

so almost 1hit...

salmissra wrote:

believe me i know how you feel >.< .

the only class that i found useful is the warlock class...mainly due to the stun...since it's an instant cast skill

stun --> 2 curses --> nuke and the rogue is dead. also it's great to use against a dagger rogue emerging from stealth..

but besides that you will just have to come up with a strategy. try using ice imbue? or the ice freeze first to slow him down. or if you have s/s try kding him fast.

what is your build btw?

full int s/s, thinking about going hybrid later...

BloodyBlade · **Posted:** Thu Jul 17, 2008 7:12 am

Pretty easy to win against a rogue, just use your weapon skills and not your nukes, since most rogues have more mag defence than phy defence.

JoshPoshMosh · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 452 **Location:**

Rouges my level usually die from 1 sword dance when they're on ce or dd

salmissra · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 1487 **Location:**

quas wrote:

^^lol
i said int... u have time to strategize...
did i mention his crit was 1k?

so almost 1hit...

salmissra wrote:

believe me i know how you feel >.< .

the only class that i found useful is the warlock class...mainly due to the stun...since it's an instant cast skill

stun --> 2 curses --> nuke and the rogue is dead. also it's great to use against a dagger rogue emerging from stealth..

but besides that you will just have to come up with a strategy. try using ice imbue? or the ice freeze first to slow him down. or if you have s/s try kding him fast.

what is your build btw?

full int s/s, thinking about going hybrid later...

ye don't try to nuke the rogue...it takes too long and the rogue can use 2..if not 3 skills by the time your nuke launches...quickly phantom to him and use kd and pray it works...use stab...and if he's not dead use a chain ^_^

plus use the bicheon phys def increase buff....should help.

btw if the rogue has sox daggers...he might still be able to kill you too fast...nothing you can do about it.

strangelove · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 1255 **Location:** no

quas wrote:

^^lol
i said int... u have time to strategize...

Ah, sorry, I guess I skipped that part. XD Well, the only INT build I've played with vs a rogue was my Warlock/Cleric, and that was all based on probability. Dagger rogues like to use Stealth, then Prick you but thats a very slow-loading skill that you have enough time as a Warlock to stun them. So I won a few times but lost as well. But again, it all depends on your strategy. =)

Since you're a Chinese character, you can always use Ice Wall to build up a nuke and kill them before they destroy your wall. =)

quas · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 111 **Location:**

^^
always forget about the icewall xD... btw i have only crystal wall lv1
should i invest some sp in this and get all the ice walls or leave it as it is?

salmissra wrote:

quas wrote:

^^lol
i said int... u have time to strategize...
did i mention his crit was 1k?

so almost 1hit...

salmissra wrote:

ye don't try to nuke the rogue...it takes too long and the rogue can use 2..if not 3 skills by the time your nuke launches...quickly phantom to him and use kd and pray it works...use stab...and if he's not dead use a chain ^_^

plus use the bicheon phys def increase buff....should help.

btw if the rogue has sox daggers...he might still be able to kill you too fast...nothing you can do about it.

gr8 advice... thanx... ill try some of these but as i see it its mostly luck or no luck... if kd doesnt work im probably dead...

jabbers · **Posted:** Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:09 am

dont panic

MMO_Doug · **Joined:** Oct 2007 **Posts:** 122 **Location:**

Europe sux, thats all.

Ploxy · **Posted:** Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:27 am

salmissra wrote:

believe me i know how you feel >.< .

the only class that i found useful is the warlock class...mainly due to the stun...since it's an instant cast skill

stun --> 2 curses --> nuke and the rogue is dead. also it's great to use against a dagger rogue emerging from stealth..

but besides that you will just have to come up with a strategy. try using ice imbue? or the ice freeze first to slow him down. or if you have s/s try kding him fast.

what is your build btw?

This tactic wont work on rogue/clerics, i pvped wit a warlock we did like 10 rounds and i won them all, the Holy word protects you from curses, also only 1 curse was working and that was disease curse.

JesusLOL · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 245 **Location:** hell

use icewall -> block prick -> stun/kd rogue > rogue dead

Glavie's Girl · **Joined:** Jun 2007 **Posts:** 1464 **Location:**

you want a sun+11 D5 set? lol =]

the_wicked · **Posted:** Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:01 pm

ice wall + KD

AngelMare · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 639 **Location:**

to put it simple , Rouges without the sacrifice skills , Cant 1 hit u , and u can 1 nuke them if ur pure int , lets say they use sacrifice skills , with iron wall and snow shield u can survive to 1 nuke them also .. since they got half the hp , pretty easy , just make sure to be distanced from them .

JoyFax · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 1095 **Location:** PORTUGAL

VanTokkern wrote:

Probably a massive fail, Joymax was never too good at balancing things out

usual "I can't play with my char so I'll cry about game being unbalanced" ^

I have a rogue xbow and a nuker, I can kill with both of them... You just need to play well with them.

fckerr · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 1914 **Location:** Bulgaria

^owned^ wrote:

lulz again an topic on how good a rogue is

heres a secret on how 2 win a rogue in PvP:
pk2 edit so u can spot them while they are in stealth adn get the 1st hit or otherwise ur dead

I think its illegal?

Blurred · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 2894 **Location:**

fckerr wrote:

^owned^ wrote:

lulz again an topic on how good a rogue is

heres a secret on how 2 win a rogue in PvP:
pk2 edit so u can spot them while they are in stealth adn get the 1st hit or otherwise ur dead

I think its illegal?

yup.

VanTokkern · **Joined:** Jun 2006 **Posts:** 112 **Location:**

JoyFax wrote:

VanTokkern wrote:

Probably a massive fail, Joymax was never too good at balancing things out

usual "I can't play with my char so I'll cry about game being unbalanced" ^

I have a rogue xbow and a nuker, I can kill with both of them... You just need to play well with them.

You're pretty clueless, the game simply is horribly unbalanced. You being able to kill with 2 different classes does not change that fact. But gz to you!11!

Try playing some other games (like WoW) you'll see my point

BananaShake · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 132 **Location:**

You don't have the guts o.ò

Ash · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 585 **Location:** Earth

*whisper* If you can't beat them join them
make a rogue XD

Goseki · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 3452 **Location:**

You don't need sun, just a decent set with full blues maxed. Even with my garm set, i'm also pure int, and decent snow shield + ironwall, i was tanking a rogue and a bowmen that were 1-2 lvls below me respectively.

All the advices are right, if the rogue really is ur lvl, you should be able to 1 hit nuke him unless you have a huge gap or something's off. the shield series is def useful since the short def burst is usually more than enough for you to stand there and cast 2-3 nukes which against most ppl should = them being dead.

JKMB · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 822 **Location:**

I find against rogues that either the smashing tree, the knockdowns, and your ice nuke are quite effective, smash hits fast and does decent damage, if you have crosswire or stone smash then the rogue is dead, and if not then add a shout on the end of it and that should deal with him, for xbow i find that book1 ice nuke will often 1 shot them, if they have CE on, as long as your not knocked down or knocked back.

quas · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 111 **Location:**

Ash wrote:

*whisper* If you can't beat them join them
make a rogue XD

to tell ya the truth i was thinking about it...

P.S. at lv42 i tried pvping with a friend who's a rogue lv48... i knew id die but i thought lets test it... prick, 14k crit :shock:

... even though he has +6 daggers 14k is too much...

AkillerNXC · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 1014 **Location:**

Rogues are pathetically weak. With ice shield on you should do fine, they're a one shot with CE or DD on. And if they dont use CE or DD they're just lol-worthy. One nuke and they 're dead.

If you're under 70, yeah they'll be a bitch, once you get higher lvl you can just laugh at them though.

heroo · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 6618 **Location:**

It will get more balanced when you reach highr levels.

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