Int S/S vs. Spear @ 100 cap

huejas · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 1804 **Location:**

Just Wondering

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NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:55 pm

Spear has 15s mag buff
=> spear win

JKMB · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 822 **Location:**

s/s has fear, dull and stun, sooo that is like all the good parts of spear except for knockback.

IDontPlaySRO · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 322 **Location:** ...

S/S will always be superior on full int because of the defense. It just costs a hell of a lot more SP than Spear. Hybrid Spears are matched with S/S or better.

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Sat Sep 27, 2008 8:52 pm

with mana shield 60%, u dont need the extra def to survive

Blurred · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 2894 **Location:**

NuclearSilo wrote:

with mana shield 60%, u dont need the extra def to survive

Don't rely on one skill...

Pan_Raider(`_´) · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 4737 **Location:**

Blurred wrote:

NuclearSilo wrote:

with mana shield 60%, u dont need the extra def to survive

Don't rely on one skill...

just let him: 120 seconds and you are OUT :twisted:

Nitro · **Joined:** Sep 2007 **Posts:** 4769 **Location:**

Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:

Blurred wrote:

NuclearSilo wrote:

with mana shield 60%, u dont need the extra def to survive

Don't rely on one skill...

just let him: 120 seconds and you are OUT :twisted:

In my opinion, everything with Sword and Shield (Blade & S/S) > everything with big stick in your hands (Spear & Glavie)... Annoying knockdowns + statuses are overpowered.

the_wicked · **Posted:** Sat Sep 27, 2008 11:21 pm

Just think about it this way. Wearing garments a s/s has enough mag def to tank decently out of snowshield (vs. an INT). and has the ability to hit ironwall after snow for 15secs more life against a str.

penfold1992 · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 4060 **Location:**

carry both. s/s for usual then when u see a nuker u cant kill well.....spear nuke them in snow

LockStar. · **Joined:** Jun 2007 **Posts:** 948 **Location:**

Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:

Blurred wrote:

NuclearSilo wrote:

with mana shield 60%, u dont need the extra def to survive

Don't rely on one skill...

just let him: 120 seconds and you are OUT :twisted:

His opponent will be 'OUT' alot before those 120 seconds are over if its a chinese.

Spear. Nuclear has a point mentioning the 15 sec buff, use that right and you are a winner against most of the noob INTs that don't know how to play. Not a skill to be overlooked.

Doppleganger · **Posted:** Sun Sep 28, 2008 2:27 am

Int s/s

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Sun Sep 28, 2008 11:41 am

Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:

Blurred wrote:

NuclearSilo wrote:

with mana shield 60%, u dont need the extra def to survive

Don't rely on one skill...

just let him: 120 seconds and you are OUT :twisted:

120s is enough to reverse the situtation in job war

If i used 15s buff + mana shield + 15s buff, i clearly have 30s more def than a S/S. Then kill him is a piece of cake.

I Pk I · **Joined:** Jul 2008 **Posts:** 364 **Location:**

S/S especially with kd and iron wall with iron wall on your practically invincible unless you get teamed by alot of pure ints.

JKMB · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 822 **Location:**

NuclearSilo wrote:

120s is enough to reverse the situtation in job war

If i used 15s buff + mana shield + 15s buff, i clearly have 30s more def than a S/S. Then kill him is a piece of cake.

So what if he fears you for 30 secs with the new chain? then your screwed, also the s/s can block and at 100 cap KD has a 60% iirc.

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Sun Sep 28, 2008 10:03 pm

JKMB wrote:

NuclearSilo wrote:

120s is enough to reverse the situtation in job war

If i used 15s buff + mana shield + 15s buff, i clearly have 30s more def than a S/S. Then kill him is a piece of cake.

So what if he fears you for 30 secs with the new chain? then your screwed, also the s/s can block and at 100 cap KD has a 60% iirc.

Fear has 10s max, and the probability to get fear is only 15%
Cap 120, KD is 60%, not at cap 100
1 nuke + 1 ghost spear ur still die, take only 3.5s

IDontPlaySRO · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 322 **Location:** ...

What if he blocks... Uh oh...?

Pan_Raider(`_´) · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 4737 **Location:**

LockStar. wrote:

Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:

just let him: 120 seconds and you are OUT :twisted:

His opponent will be 'OUT' alot before those 120 seconds are over if its a chinese.

Spear. Nuclear has a point mentioning the 15 sec buff, use that right and you are a winner against most of the noob INTs that don't know how to play. Not a skill to be overlooked.

Has it occured to you that if someone opposes you with the snow shield,
you can counter his move with a snow shield of your own?

Surely it can disperse the damage recieved,
but if a S/S opposes Spear with his snow shield + his actual shield,
he will disperse at least 10% or more with a good block ratio

JKMB wrote:

NuclearSilo wrote:

120s is enough to reverse the situtation in job war

If i used 15s buff + mana shield + 15s buff, i clearly have 30s more def than a S/S. Then kill him is a piece of cake.

So what if he fears you for 30 secs with the new chain? then your screwed, also the s/s can block and at 100 cap KD has a 60% iirc.

well fear is 20 seconds for the euros, so Nuclear will have 10s more
but + 5 seconds of stun or an attack impediment by KD or stun
and its even

thechampion80 · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 565 **Location:** on Earth

Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:

LockStar. wrote:

Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:

just let him: 120 seconds and you are OUT :twisted:

His opponent will be 'OUT' alot before those 120 seconds are over if its a chinese.

Spear. Nuclear has a point mentioning the 15 sec buff, use that right and you are a winner against most of the noob INTs that don't know how to play. Not a skill to be overlooked.

Has it occured to you that if someone opposes you with the snow shield,
you can counter his move with a snow shield of your own?

Surely it can disperse the damage recieved,
but if a S/S opposes Spear with his snow shield + his actual shield,
he will disperse at least 10% or more with a good block ratio

JKMB wrote:

NuclearSilo wrote:

120s is enough to reverse the situtation in job war

If i used 15s buff + mana shield + 15s buff, i clearly have 30s more def than a S/S. Then kill him is a piece of cake.

So what if he fears you for 30 secs with the new chain? then your screwed, also the s/s can block and at 100 cap KD has a 60% iirc.

well fear is 20 seconds for the euros, so Nuclear will have 10s more
but + 5 seconds of stun or an attack impediment by KD or stun
and its even

its only 10 seconds :roll:

it depends on skill/gear/lag/luck obviously
but if everything is even (doubt it :roll:

) then a spear nuker would win because of the mag def increase AND the blocking increase (actually useful here :wink:

)

not to mention kb, dull, and stun

666 · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 88 **Location:**

jarrod · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 708 **Location:**

NuclearSilo wrote:

JKMB wrote:

NuclearSilo wrote:

120s is enough to reverse the situtation in job war

If i used 15s buff + mana shield + 15s buff, i clearly have 30s more def than a S/S. Then kill him is a piece of cake.

So what if he fears you for 30 secs with the new chain? then your screwed, also the s/s can block and at 100 cap KD has a 60% iirc.

Fear has 10s max, and the probability to get fear is only 15%
Cap 120, KD is 60%, not at cap 100
1 nuke + 1 ghost spear ur still die, take only 3.5s

that happens on noobs with retard gears from a nicely pimped spear

alZen · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 657 **Location:**

very valid and nice arguments.

i'm spear and of course wish nukesilo calculations work. but i would still think advantage to sword because of the additional defense from shield and blocks. it would really suck for the sword if all it takes is just a nuke+ghost(+shouts if needed) and cant get a block in.

oh ... i'm spear cuz i dun like the greater sp needs of a sword.

Teddybeer · **Posted:** Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:56 am

i think all will be equal strong...
it depends on your choise
they wont make a build stronger then another one
every build has strong and weak points

Pan_Raider(`_´) · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 4737 **Location:**

thechampion80 wrote:

its only 10 seconds :roll:

it depends on skill/gear/lag/luck obviously
but if everything is even (doubt it :roll:

) then a spear nuker would win because of the mag def increase AND the blocking increase (actually useful here :wink:

)

not to mention kb, dull, and stun

what i meant with even was that the shield blocks some attacks and cuts down the probability of an effect status, whereas the hits recieved have more impact, since the S/S has less life.

On the other hand, the Spear will block only magical attacks,
which means the S/S will just have to lay him flat without any imbue (100% physical damage).

I guess you where calculating that stuff with some high lvl Botard who can lvl but can't play.

In my opinion it will end in a massive pot war till someone makes a mistake or recieves an effect after all that defensive arms race

And as for the effects:
Spear: Dull, Stun, Knockback
Sword: Division, Impotent, Stun, Dull, Knockdown, Fear, Bleed,( with less probabilty though)

Amro · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 1380 **Location:** Slovakia

NuclearSilo wrote:

1 nuke + 1 ghost spear ur still die, take only 3.5s

i disagree

s/s will win...

MidnightMan · **Posted:** Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:20 pm

dont forget that spear also has bloody snake storm to boost you mag def by 1100 for 15 seconds also

Lum_Lum · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 196 **Location:** Colorado

Pan_Raider(`_´) wrote:

thechampion80 wrote:

its only 10 seconds :roll:

it depends on skill/gear/lag/luck obviously
but if everything is even (doubt it :roll:

) then a spear nuker would win because of the mag def increase AND the blocking increase (actually useful here :wink:

)

not to mention kb, dull, and stun

what i meant with even was that the shield blocks some attacks and cuts down the probability of an effect status, whereas the hits recieved have more impact, since the S/S has less life.

On the other hand, the Spear will block only magical attacks,
which means the S/S will just have to lay him flat without any imbue (100% physical damage).

I guess you where calculating that stuff with some high lvl Botard who can lvl but can't play.

In my opinion it will end in a massive pot war till someone makes a mistake or recieves an effect after all that defensive arms race

And as for the effects:
Spear: Dull, Stun, Knockback
Sword: Division, Impotent, Stun, Dull, Knockdown, Fear, Bleed,( with less probabilty though)

Sword skills that stun???

JKMB · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 822 **Location:**

NuclearSilo wrote:

JKMB wrote:

NuclearSilo wrote:

120s is enough to reverse the situtation in job war

If i used 15s buff + mana shield + 15s buff, i clearly have 30s more def than a S/S. Then kill him is a piece of cake.

So what if he fears you for 30 secs with the new chain? then your screwed, also the s/s can block and at 100 cap KD has a 60% iirc.

Fear has 10s max, and the probability to get fear is only 15%
Cap 120, KD is 60%, not at cap 100
1 nuke + 1 ghost spear ur still die, take only 3.5s

Well I was asuming it was 30 secs as Lightning chains status effects last for 30 seconds

Lum_Lum wrote:

Sword skills that stun???

Lvl100 chain gives stun, dull and fear.

Lum_Lum · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 196 **Location:** Colorado

^- Wow. Well that will surely make s/s ints quite a formidable foe during 100 cap.

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