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I have no idea what your stat distribution is like. I do not recommend lion shout for anyone but full INT or very INT-heavy hybrids. Str characters may feel like getting 1 level just to aggro mobs before they get their weapon's range attack.

Hey SuicideGrl, thanks for all your input!!

After lvling to 35 and pretty much doing 1:1 on Stat Pts I decided after checking in on different builds that Pure STR seemed to be my fav. However upon learning that I couldn't reallocate my Stat Pts I looked into Hybrid builds. Your info has been the most helpful by far! But I'm still interested in going STR Hybrid. Could I be a STR/Glavie that pwns in pvp/pve if I use pots all the time for HP/MP if I from here on out add all the SP to STR?? (in the back of my mind you've somewhat converted me to go INT Hybrid, but I'm still not sure )

Thanks again!

not to try to bring that part of you that wants to go int-hybrid to the forefront but... i have to say that int hybrids are likely more effective than str hybrids. i nuke hard and slash/stab hard, and i have thousands more HP than full ints. it's fun to see the dumbfounded looks on pure str glaivers' faces when they can't one-hit the nuker ;)

an int-based character w/ more str benefits from added HP. a str-based char with more int gets more mp, but it's not as necessary as HP is to an int. it's your call, but those are the facts as i see them. i know plenty of high lvls of both types that all pwn, so you decide what's best for you.

he did that fire hadouken spiraling spear again that i still don't know the name of T_T.

EDIT: found the name haha .. it's called Flying Dragon-Fly according to another video. i'm guessing i'll have to pump pure STR until lvl30-35 then full INT until the end of time for it to hit 4000+.

so for hybrids (sword and shield) i guess it's reasonable to pump points into bicheon / heuksal (for the flying dragon-fly and add hp passive) - fire/cold/lightning - holy .. sp usage XD.

soory but im still new to this game im just wondering what do you mean by 1:1? 1str:1int?

It means that they are spend equal. Str and Int are the same.

ive been following your strat suicide girl and its paying good very thankful btw... is there current changes in your skills?

hello guyz and galz,
i've been reading this stuff a lot of times that's why i created a hybrid char. From lvl 1-24, its 1:1 build and 25-30, i put all points to int and now at lvl 30, my soulspear + ghostspear combo does 800+-900+ each damage on taoist. Taoist does 2-3 hits on me before they die.

When i got my nukes and tried it on taoist, my fire nuke + thunderbolt does 800+900+ damage each, both skills with book 2 imbue. Taoist can hit me once before they die.

The good thing is i'm saving on hp pots and i'm enjoying my nukes

ps.
Server: Athens
IGN: G0th
Lvl: 30
Build: Hybrid Int

How far is 2:1 difference?

what do you mean by "how far?" do you mean until what level ?

for me i will be using 2int:1str build till i reach lvl 70 or so.

update:

i am now lvl 33 and i got my fire imbue book2 at lvl 4, my nukes does around 1400+ to 1700+ damage on taoist.
i got my flying dragon spear and was a bit disappointed when i first use it, it was like 500+ damage(i forgot to imbue) but when i used book 2 fire imbue on it, i was happy to see the 1300+ to 1500+ damage, and when it crits it reached up to 1.9K.

i got a phys balance of 71% and magical balance of 76%...

Since the alchemy update, I think it is a little easier to get stat-ed items now which adds to your STR and INT. If you can get your hands on dual heavily stat-ed items, grab them. A +11 str and int increase is always a plus for any character but hybrids would benefit from both as it increases both physical and magical balance.

What you guys think which is better; 2:1 (str:in) spear & ice main (ice imbue, and using a lot weapon skills, not nuking) or 1:2 (str:int) spear & fire main (fire imbue, focused to nuke much, and some weapon skill combos)? Any suggestions? Thx!

for me, i rather go 2:1(int:str) fire/spear nuker...cuz that's my build...lol...anyways, i do both physical and magical attack more or less with the same damage. and i just love the reactions when other players seeing me attacking 3 monsters(earth taoist atm) at range. i do flying dragon spear on 1st, then fire nuke on 2nd, then light nuke on 3rd plus lion shout on every hit.

as for the alchemy, i am now starting to collect those elements...which i should have done a long time ago

okay... i have a full str going str hybrid at level 34... this is what im thinking:

ill drop my phy balance to around 90% (so crits are still good)

im not quite sure what my mag balance will be then...
but there is nukers with 90% mag and 60% phy balance...
but i dont think ill get 90% phy and a 60% mag... (kinda weird how its not vise versua) *SP... but you know what i mean

ANYWAYS... im gonna become a str hybrid spear user...
1) because its different
2) because its fun to here other pur str talk about how much damage i can tank because they think im int cause im using a spear...
3) crit on a spear is -on average- alot higher than it is on glaives
4) spears will take advantage of the flame body beacause my phy balance is still high
5) spears will love peircing force cause of the high magic damage they have (and my build will like this [and take better advantage of it than pur str] cause my mag balance is higher than a pur str)
6) cause spears just look friggin cool (especially the level 52 one -my favorite-)

i think im gonna be happy mainly cause i dont know many people who have this build -none actually- but maybe thats because of a good reason... or maybe just because all the pur str nazis.... lol... anyways we will see what happens...

PS. anyone know any level 70's with a 1:1 ratio.... i also heard that they are some of the most powerful guys at high level

i dont think they have 1:1 ratios... 75/75 is strong though for swordsmen, since youre able to add 60 stats to int and str now with alchemy.

First of all, I'd like to say hello to everyone on this forum. This is my very first post. I am really inspired by this awesome thread on hybrid chars and amazing guide. Before I started playing my first char, I was a bit disappointed that almost all the build guides at the time emphasized pure builds=best builds. Right now I am pure int, but I am very tempted to switch to hybrid. SuicideGrl, you are my role model =P.

I am currently hardcore SP farming at lvl 24 (didn't get too much farming done at 16). My goal is to become an effective high damaging healer that can hold his own in a PvP. I am willing to spend the money and time to farm the SP needed to make my char effective. Right now, although I am wearing a nice set of protector armor, I still die way too easily when I get mobbed. Not to mention, I suck at PvP.

The ideas and goals behind my aspiring build is:
1. 3 Trees at lvl 90 and 1 sub lvl 30 (I really hope that Joymax will be adding new skills for lvls 70+)
2. Very high attack rating (to compensate for low damaging nukes)
3. High parry ratio (to compensate for absence of Ice Tree)
4. With the new alchemy which makes it possible to add +int/str and +hp/mp to items, this unlocks new potentials for hybrid chars.
5. Heavily int based (85~90%). I'd like to have a high phy balance so that its worthwhile to max weap skills.

My build:

Lightning: 90
Max every single skill in tree

Force: 90
Force cure: (Max)??? - Not sure if this is worth the 7k SP (lvl 70). But it seems like it should be part of healer package
Heal: (Max)
Rebirth: (Max)
Harmony Therapy: (Max) - I really hope they don't fix the bug
Vital Spot (Muscle/Spirit): (Max) - This will maximize my AR and Parry when coupled with Lightning Tree
Force Increasing: (Max)

Heuksal: 90
Soul Spear: (Max)
Ghost Petal: (Max)
Chain Spear: Dragon (Max) - I'm assuming Dragon=int Pluto=str
Flying Dragon: (Max)
Cheolsam: (Max)

Pacheon: 30 (For AR increase)
White Hawk: lvl 7
Mind Concentration: lvl 3


Please give feedback and advice. I will need guidance on how to make the transition

What should my base (naked) balances be at? It currently 54% Phy 90% Int. I will be aiming for as high +int/str gear as possible. Ideally, I'd like to have a 80% phy 90% mag balance.

SuicideGrl: I'd be honoured if I could get your opinions on this.

You're pure int with a spear - a melee weapon but no shield. Of course you're going to go down easily. You have almost no defense.

Incanus:

You are not the first to go the parry/AR route w/ their hybrid. i think it's an excellent strategy. your skills seem well-chosen as well, for what you have. however, i worry about your lack of a second offensive force. lightning has only two nukes, and they are the least consistent of them all. they have high max dmg but low min dmg, meaning you can get damage results that are all over the map. i use fire as my primary because it's got a tighter range, which means it's more consistent. also, fire's physical dmg passive and buff will help you in your quest to do decent spear dmg (though in reality the bulk of your dmg will be mag dmg either way), and the fire protectionbuff is handy for mag dmg resistance.

it's up to you, but in my honest opinion, a single-force nuker isn't going to be competitive. the 1st book of each nuke becomes obsolete pretty fast, and unless you have two strong (book 2 or above) nukes, you'll have to wait for one to recharge every time. again, your call, but that's my 2cents.

yup i totally agree, you need at least 2 nukes from fire or lightning tree....as for me i got fire and light nuke. both deals more or less same damage. im thinking of getting ice nukes atm.

ps.
how do you compute the total number of mastery ? the x/300 thingy....thanks...


@SG, could we have a pvp video on your character ? cuz i want to learn some tactics

its every mastery level in each tree, EG: you are level 50 in fire you have used 50 masteries points

IMO, a hybrid shouldn't be judged by ratio, ratios work differently for Ints and Strs. They should be made by Balance, since a 2Str:1Int will have low-arse magic, and high Phys, but a 2Int:1Str will have medium-high phys balance, and medium-high Magic too.

i just saw my guildies damage on flower, he's pure int and his damage is 2.2K-2.5K and me as a 2int:1str hybrid does 1.2K-1.7K damage on flowers. so basically there's a 800 damage difference.but he has 1.3K hp and i have 2.3K hp....i guess its better to have +1K hp more than +800 damage.

Hi, guess I have been very lucky lately...First I got my first SOS drop (although its a male garment...too bad my character can't use it)and yesterday I was playing with Alchemy with my SOS Spear. I tried to give it a plus on int and i was happy to see it succeeded and when I checked it, it was +4 int (+66%) and then +1 str.

Now my Physical Balance is 75% and Magical Balance is 80%....

SG, I have this question, is it possible for me to reached Physical Balance of 80% and Magical Balance of 85% ?

I've a question. I'm a pure int spear user and currently I'm level 30. I don't really like to PvP but I want to excell in killing those player's NPC thieves. I'm a trader and I always get bullied by those pro thieves where they drop their NPC thieves on me.

So the question is... am I suppose to add some str so that I can withstand those NPC thieves? or should i just go for pure int all up the end and use nukes to blast the NPC thieves? I personally prefer using chain combos rather than nukes. I saw many ppl who're pure int can't withstand much damage due to low hp. I scared when one day i do the trade run I'll face the same problem when dealing with those player's NPC thieves.

Another question.. I saw a pure str glaiver with 29% magic balance yesterday. At first he's using glavie to attack during PvP. Then he also use a spear to attack. But he can still do high damage with spears which is roughly 2k-3k for soul spear-truth I think.. he told me he can do such a high damage is because of the imbue. This really shaken me because..if a pure str with high hp can still do such a high damage, then what's the use of pure int? it really makes me feel miserable for not taking pure str. So the question is, since I'm a pure int now at level 30, can I add str all the way up and still use spear? Will i be able to deal high damage by doing so using weapon skills like chain combos with imbues (excluding nukes)?

Hope someone can tell me what stat should I put. thx

Ok well im kinda new to this forum so... I was going to go pure int light/fire, sword, spear. You know the usual 150 fire 110 light 20 spear 20 sword thing. But the i decided im never gonna get to that lvl, so i decided to go all 3 offensive forces to experience all of them while im still playing this game. That pic. on first page kinda encouraged me lol. I think im going to become a spear hybrid, but a little int-heavy because i have the frost guard etc. Im thinking of 5-2 or something. Right now i am 3x and training really fast.

Im thinking of getting frost guard series, snowstorm, cold passive, a little frost nova, grasswalk, thunderbolt, concentration, lightning passive, piercing force, lion shout, fire imbue, fire protection thing, and fire nuke.
Any suggestions for me would be really welcome lol thanks im wondering if hybridization is right for me.

@Steve
That's the weakness of being a pure int....low hp...but on the other side, you will deal huge amount of damage....I am a int heavy hybrid and when I do trade runs or escort my friends I always use my nukes and I can take my own NPC thieves in 1 nuke or nuke+lion shout...Being mobbed is the worst problems of pure int characters and hybrid survives mobs where pure ints die. And I read somewhere in the forum that most int chars scarifice their magic balance from 95% to 90% and adding their strengths thus giving them more hp for survival purposes.

For your NPC Thief problem, I got a guildmate who is pure int and he kills NPC thief faster than me using his nukes...so basically NPC thief dies before they reach to him.

I guess hybrid outdamages pure str but we lack the hp that a pure str has.

@IguanaRampage
Read the guide by SG and think about it
I am planning on having the same skills as you mentioned and I have to farm like crazy from now.

yeah well ive already farmed a bit so ive got all those skills and a bit more maxed atm... im starting up farming again. I think that i will go hybrid because of the absence of shield. But with the addition of stamina and str alchemy, im wondering if it is really worth hurting my mag. balance in order to do this.
I know people who have totally owned pure strs and nukers of their lvl with both builds, and i know a pure int who somehow tanks a nuker and 2 pure strs at the same time with new alchemy.
I have read SuicideGrl's guide about 10 times, and i think that im going to go full int until i get my 2nd book of fire nuke and start pvping, then i'll decide. Thanks SuicideGrl and all on this forum

Steve:

IMO, being an effective "anti-popper", as it seems you're going for, isn't about your build so much as it's about your skills. my recipie for taking out npc thieves:
1) be able to tank a hit from a high lvl npc thief. just one hit is all you need. for this, i would recommend maxing out either the ice physical defense buff, the lightning parry buff, or both. the first will make you take less dmg overall, the 2nd will lower the range of dmg you can take. this part is the only place where you'll wanna have a bit of str to give you the HP to try this little maneuver.
2)some kind of ranged attack. either shoot it with arrows, nuke it, use flying dragon, snake dance, or another physical skill, but do SOMETHING to take it's attention off whatever it is it's slashing at and get it ONTO you. If you have a skill that can hit more than one at once (AoE such as lightning nukes), more's the better, since you can aggro more thieves at once.
3) ghost walk - phantom. once you have it aggroed, phantom away and RUN LIKE HELL. having a maxed grasswalk will help here, but isn't all that necessary, since NPCs are pretty slow. just get out of range of the bow ones, and you'll be fine. remember that phantom zips you in the direction that your screen is facing at the time of activation. the higher your skill in this one, the farther you'll zip. after about 50-80 meters, once they get away from their targets and haven't hit anything for a while, they'll disappear. hope that helps.

as for the glaive vs. spear thing: in general, str characters will do resonably well with spears, but they won't do as much dmg as they will w/ a glaive. a +5 spear is roughly equivalent dmg to a +3 glaive, so the difference - although noticible - isn't usually so marked that you go, "hey, that str is doing crap dmg because he/she is using a spear." on Xian, a lot of pure str 64+'s use spears because they have a tendency to drop with higher crits. BrownTyger (appologies for spelling) used (or even maybe sill uses) a +7 pimped out spear, crit 14. does the dmg of a +5 glaive but with a higher crit than possibly any 64 glaive on Xian server. it's NOT from their imbue. if they were to do the same move w/ and w/o imbue, you'd only notice a few hundred points of difference, whereas if i were to do the same, i'd do a few thousand less w/o imbue. therefore, pumping str from now on wouldn't give you the benefits you're looking for.


IguanaRampage:

alchemy is a fickle mistress. my gear gives me ~600 HP between stamina and str adds, and i plan to add +400HP to each my chest and my legs when i get more stamina (the head already has it). however, while this does keep me alive a little longer, it's mainly the extra ~2000 HP i have from being 2:1 that sustains me. i have nearly 7.8k HP now at lvl 67, and it makes pure str glaivers scratch their heads when they crit me for 5k and i am still standing. seems you've chosen your path, so let me know how it goes for you.

Sui did you ever manage to get the stats of the high level 'Str Hybrid Archer' that's in your guild?

Because I'm really interested in trying this type of archer build. I think a hybrid archer that focuses on bow skills + fire imbue, range, attack rating and parry, could do quite nicely.

I have tried a pure strength archer, but I really didn't like it, low damage = lot's of arrows used, and low MP = lot's of sitting or mana pots used.

So if you could manage to pry some info out of your guildie it would be much appreciated .

Cheers

he's 1:1, with only the occasional lvl in which he got ossed and went 3 str or 3 int lol. he's 66 now, and killed isy the other night :)