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Frankly, if you had been a pure int you wouldnt have needed to tank him, he would prolly be dead before he got near you. And if he was a pure str glaive level 54 and was TRYING to kill you, you wouldnt be standing. That sounds like a 1 v 5 situation, which is hardly an indication of the strengths or weakness of a certain build. If he had multiple ppl on him and he survived long enough to hit someone that speaks more for a pure build than a hybrid.

this thread is like reading a book i hate books.

i love wong's new siggy

too true IMHO degree 8 spear and sword and bow and glaive look ugly as the thing that comes out of my ass everytime i do my business only decent or really good looking one is the blade idk if from a fast lvler to slow lvler id change to blade just for the sake of not using a ugly weapon
ffs wtf is up wit degree 8 spear/glaive

I changed to glaive because I spent most of my time leveling and leveling with a blade was so dam boring. You dont ever die but one mob at a time bored me to tears. I know glaive isnt as survivable, and if I needed an SOS blade Fly would certainly get me one ( that man of mine) but the glaive was just more fun to me.

not really i was very good with my skills and a co guildy called HeavenBlaze was a pure str blade non of us 2 won it was always a pot match and i coul beat NUMB3RS who was a pure int player (both were the same level as me)


bloom you gota give hybrids more credit there not as weak as you think them to be

And people are welcome to jump all over me and try to prove me wrong or convince me otherwise. It's not like I never admit I'm wrong and change my mind. Hell, I was incredibly outspoken against any form of hybrid build a month or two ago, you can check Sui's hybrid thread if you want proof of that! It's just that usually I am neither disproven nor convinced otherwise.

And I'm not trying to be overly critical of nightbloom's tack here. I do believe that confidence in your own position is the best way to approach making a guide or asserting your theories; as long as you're willing to admit when you're wrong, there is no reason to be wishy-washy as long as you really believe you're right. The issue will be debated and the truth will come to light in one way or another. The reader has to look not for a winning position, but the truth in either side of the discussion. Anyway, I digress.


That's true. There is no single hybrid build, regarding stats or skills or equipment. There's pretty much one way to build a pure STR correctly, with minor differences of little importance right now because the 70 cap doesn't force a STR to make hard decisions about mastery yet. There are many ways to ruin a hybrid, and few ways to ruin a pure STR. But still, some hybrids are based on a lot of thought, and I maintain that they can be just as potent as a pure build when they are made right and played right. It takes a bit more finesse than a glavie.


A good question. And I'm certainly not going to argue that a hybrid is significantly better at PvP than a pure INT. It has some advantages and some disadvantages. But to answer your question, I would rather have enough damage than the most possible damage. As I mentioned earlier, I feel one of the cardinal sins of a hybrid is to add so much STR that they can no longer do enough.


If you take a look at the first page of this thread, you'll see that I said something similar back in March. However, consider this: the higher your balance goes, the less of a difference X% makes. If you increase your balance from 60% to 75%, well that's a hefty 25% increase. But increasing your balance from 95% to 110% is a little under a 16% increase. So we have a system of diminishing returns. Second, recall that an INT build has a naturally higher physical balance than a STR build has magical. If I can move 15 INT over to STR, lose 8% magical (perhaps 10% of my total balance, naked) and gain 12% physical (about 25% of my total balance, naked), plus the added HP, doesn't that start to sound appealing? Remember that you get not only a little more physical damage and HP, but more physical defense as well.

And remember that a hybrid spear is using a weapon with higher damage potential than a pure INT sword. Sure, the pure can switch to spear to get a few shots off, very nice in a group fight, but if a pure STR ghost walks out of the fray and crits him with a GSM, he's dead. Not so the hybrid spear; he's built to survive that crit. Of course, if he thinks he can survive the next one, he's a hybrid who thinks he's a glaiver and he's going to die. That is the time to think like a fragile nuker and run in circles until you can pot back up.


Fixed. You aren't in a very good position to see the difference in survivability between pure and hybrid, as no INT character can be expected to have that great a record against a decent bow user, especially one with an SOS bow. But believe me, it exists. Since I put on armor the only bow user who has a winning record against me is at least 4 levels up (and a member of a notorious botting guild, so probably farmed, where I am 6 behind). I've only used three pieces of SOS in my time playing - a 42 sword (briefly), a 52 spear, and a 24 bow (on my second). This is my experience, and it differs from yours, and it is still valid.


This is a tautology. A "correctly built" hybrid is one which stands up against pure builds. You're basically saying, if nobody has a better build, then builds are not the deciding facter. You're glossing over the fact that there are about a million ways to make a bad hybrid, and only a handful of ways to make a good one.

As far as what counts as a hybrid, well, PURE and FULL are absolutes. If a nuker with 1 extra strength can't by definition be PURE or FULL, what is left besides hybrid? Sure, it's nitpicky, but give me another term to use and I would happily consider hybrid to begin at 90% magical balance. I'd even go down to 89% if it makes you happy, Ryoko.

How hybrid did you go? Whats your balance

You guys are all insane. 8th degree Glaive is hotness.

Ok Hello, this is my first post, i've been all over the forums and found this one sort of helpful but i need some more personalized advice. I am on my first character and have only played for a week or so...I am at lvl 20 and skipped too many quests(WHY? I DON'T KNOW!) and have had to drag ass and grind all the way to lvl 20. I have a 4 lvl gap and thought i was farming various tigers a chajki's or whatnot. Am I doing it wrong? Is my gap worthless? What should I do? I am 80-20 int/strength swordman and would really like to get into jobs, especially hunting, because I've been grinding soooo long, lol, but from what I've heard, I'll get pwned BIG TIME. Any help would be great. Thanks alot.

pure int dont shiny so much... when u see they casting flave wave burning and up Bloody snake storm

U can run to the pure int do a skill and take 6k dmg or use bloody snake storm take under 3k and after that do a skill. up to u

btw bloody ss at 69 is 57% reduce and its instant cast


I wont say hybrids pwns, they do fairly well now... but its very likely that they ll do even better at 80 and 90 cap... time ll tell

I'm not flaming hybrids or anything..... Just as to the MP well thing, i find that the higher int you have the faster you regenerate MP. While i'm grinding i set my mp pots at like 17% this way i will still pot when i need mp but my mp can still regenerate thus saving mp pots and thus saving money.

Erm, if you ask me a int hybrid is the best way to create a nuker. Im thinking 6:1, 5:1

lvl 57 90% (naked) int hybrid now, no regrets or what so ever. I don't even notice the 'less' damage.

I do notice the extra hp, which makes me love this nuker build.

Done every build to 30 (not far i know) and this one comes out best.

nice bump btw :/

i love you nightbloom i now feel a bit stupid for not farming at a low lvl. So i think ill do it at the penons. 9 lvl gap?

lol the hybrids on troy tear the pure builds apart

HydraliskX FTW!!! I would have posted this if I had gotten to this thread... 3 months earlier...Yeah, hybrids can be pretty good too, especially hybrid swords who end up using the KD anyway, so they might as well add a little str to get life, weaker imbue, but stronger actual KD and stabs.

Great guide, Thanks for posting i found it very helpful!

[quote="Bakemaster"][quote="nightbloom"]People who are here to "have fun" and not "take the game too seriously" make hybrid chars. Those who have a sincere desire to pwn do not. The only hybrid char I would even consider endorsing is an int heavy healer. That is, this char would not really be made for PVP but as a pure support char rezzing and healing the rest of the guild.[/quote]
1. A well-built hybrid can beat either pure build in 1v1, survive longer than INT in mass PvP, and do more damage than STR in mass PvP. Not to mention the fact that INT hybrid spear is probably the number one fastest leveling build.
2. I'm surprised that someone with so much experience would endorse making a healer out of anything but pure STR. What possible benefit does a healer gain from INT?[/quote]
YES OF COURSE cuz im a hybird too :P

make a pure int/str on babel. I will kill you with my hybrid sword.

I think hybrids have destroyed enough pure builds to gain a little ..... respect ?


I have watched CrazyWeak fully farmed hybrid spear beat 2 lvl 70 glavies 2v1.