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Da_Realest · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2435 **Location:**

boast wrote:

Wizards get fear, though.

90% of the wizards in game don't use it. Those that do, its not maxed so its resisted most of the time. But like I said in a different topic, its really who has the fastest fingers. If a warlock manages to stun, the wizard is dead. If the wizard manages to in place fear, the warlock is dead.

criticalss · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 137

Da_Realest wrote:

boast wrote:

Wizards get fear, though.

90% of the wizards in game don't use it. Those that do, its not maxed so its resisted most of the time. But like I said in a different topic, its really who has the fastest fingers. If a warlock manages to stun, the wizard is dead. If the wizard manages to in place fear, the warlock is dead.

on my warlock, pvm is hard. because the attack skill is only 214%. so i have to DoT, stun and blood flower, while wizards just fire nuke. when does warlock get good in pvm if ever? im in 2x btw. In party play, im usually aceapted into a party at red mobs, i just debuff, spam dots and stun. if a wizard is being chased by a party mob i sleep the party mob to give us running time. and sometimes, i can kill, a red mob myself. Im not sure how helpfull i am being. my dots and blood flower dont come close to the damage of the wizard, but my physical and medical raze adds 50ish damage to my party, and i die a lot because i'm always trying to save my team. are we supposed to be in parties or are we better off solo? I usually pvp with the 3xs. with a 3x warlock, its whoever stuns first, which gets broing sometimes. though i am able to kill a 3x warrior if he is already half hp lol. now i am trying to decide to stay with my warlock or switch to a ice sword. i can frostbite and freeze for my party and still do ok in pvp. which one should i choose lol

gongjaied · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 89 **Location:**

Da_Realest wrote:

boast wrote:

Wizards get fear, though.

90% of the wizards in game don't use it. Those that do, its not maxed so its resisted most of the time. But like I said in a different topic, its really who has the fastest fingers. If a warlock manages to stun, the wizard is dead. If the wizard manages to in place fear, the warlock is dead.

Casting rate (ie. frame animation) for Warlock/Cleric is faster than Wizards...

Both cast at same time...and assume there's no resists then Warlock should get their spell in.

Da_Realest · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2435 **Location:**

criticalss wrote:

Da_Realest wrote:

boast wrote:

Wizards get fear, though.

90% of the wizards in game don't use it. Those that do, its not maxed so its resisted most of the time. But like I said in a different topic, its really who has the fastest fingers. If a warlock manages to stun, the wizard is dead. If the wizard manages to in place fear, the warlock is dead.

on my warlock, pvm is hard. because the attack skill is only 214%. so i have to DoT, stun and blood flower, while wizards just fire nuke. when does warlock get good in pvm if ever? im in 2x btw. In party play, im usually aceapted into a party at red mobs, i just debuff, spam dots and stun. if a wizard is being chased by a party mob i sleep the party mob to give us running time. and sometimes, i can kill, a red mob myself. Im not sure how helpfull i am being. my dots and blood flower dont come close to the damage of the wizard, but my physical and medical raze adds 50ish damage to my party, and i die a lot because i'm always trying to save my team. are we supposed to be in parties or are we better off solo? I usually pvp with the 3xs. with a 3x warlock, its whoever stuns first, which gets broing sometimes. though i am able to kill a 3x warrior if he is already half hp lol. now i am trying to decide to stay with my warlock or switch to a ice sword. i can frostbite and freeze for my party and still do ok in pvp. which one should i choose lol

What level mobs did you try soloing? Yea, wizards are more useful in a PvM party than a Warlock.

Atsuten · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 155 **Location:**

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What level mobs did you try soloing? Yea, wizards are more useful in a PvM party than a Warlock.

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There was another post stating the exact opposite. Their argument was that any additional damage caused by your debuffs could count as the Warlock's damage contribution. That in addition to the stuns, sleeps, and reduced atk from the mob can all make a warlock very beneficial to a party.

However, I would also agree that any party only needs one warlock, where as multiple wizards can be included.

Da_Realest · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2435 **Location:**

Atsuten wrote:

Quote:

What level mobs did you try soloing? Yea, wizards are more useful in a PvM party than a Warlock.

??????
There was another post stating the exact opposite. Their argument was that any additional damage caused by your debuffs could count as the Warlock's damage contribution. That in addition to the stuns, sleeps, and reduced atk from the mob can all make a warlock very beneficial to a party.

However, I would also agree that any party only needs one warlock, where as multiple wizards can be included.

If you're party grinding and you got a wizard with life control in the party, the debuffs are pretty useless. From my experience in party grinding orange mobs, I only had time to get off maybe 2 skills with my warlock before the mob was dead. Sometimes I barely got off one attack. Wizards kill so fast that the effect of your debuffs are overlooked. Not to mention there is a chance that they could be resisted while a wizard is consistently useful. The only time I'm really useful is on a party giant. But thats just my experience....

I think a wizard is more helpful in a PvM party and a warlock is more helpful in a PvP party.

SoBlu · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 389 **Location:**

For parties you change it up.

You cast scream mask on the users taking the most dmg or your support chars who need protection.

On general mobs you use your basic attacks (Nukes).

When fighting champs.giants use debuffs + nukes + the traps (But mainly debuffs if you have enough users dealing dmg)

In pvp you use scream mask on the members keeping you and ur team alive.

Debuff the str players and take them down fast. Sleep/dot kill int users and Stun nuke str players.

This is an early strategy for a warlock, most warlocks i see attack me just stun then dot hell (skipping debuffs...).

good luck young undead worshippers

p.s. my Warlock is now 60 ^^.

boast · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 477 **Location:**

SoBlu wrote:

p.s. my Warlock is now 60 ^^.

you're happy with your warlock?

no regrets?

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I was thinking of getting wizard as sub, and just getting the fire nuke to 1 hit mobs when grinding.

SoBlu · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 389 **Location:**

I really like Warlocks, but in most games they get screwed over for balancing reasons, thank God silkroad is more versatile.

I would go Cleric sub if anything - to switch to the healer and pure resist to status effects would be very useful and increase ur survival rate.

Plus you would be too useful in a party.

Libertarian · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 343 **Location:**

SoBlu wrote:

I really like Warlocks, but in most games they get screwed over for balancing reasons, thank God silkroad is more versatile.

I would go Cleric sub if anything - to switch to the healer and pure resist to status effects would be very useful and increase ur survival rate.

Plus you would be too useful in a party.

That's the way I'm going.

I'm lvl 16, pure Warlock so far, but soon I'll start leveling as a Cleric too, and I think I'll be pretty useful in any party, as well as being able to survive easier.

shieldmaiden · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 21 **Location:**

i'm getting alot of good feedback on this class.

my question is:

after casting debuffs and Dots, do they retain their potency even if you switch to a different weapon?

the reason i'm asking is, i love playing solo all the time, i am thinking of getting warlock as my sub-class for faster exp gain on PVM.

thanks in advance.

locthief · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 14

dots/debuffs are not removed if you switch weapons. But dot damage is magic based so you switch to a weaker magic weapon or a pure str based weapon your damage will drop

Nenhunter · **Joined:** Mar 2006 **Posts:** 458 **Location:**

don't a cleric's holy word buff just negates all the dot's basically? so against someone who has that casted on them, warlocks are basically useless.

Da_Realest · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2435 **Location:**

Nenhunter wrote:

don't a cleric's holy word buff just negates all the dot's basically? so against someone who has that casted on them, warlocks are basically useless.

If the skill is high enough it negates the debuffs. Not the dot attacks though.

SoBlu · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 389 **Location:**

A warlock vs. a cleric is tough (I know i died).

You can only kill them one way or of course hope ur sub class (If you have one) can beat them.

I usually go -

Stun - debuff, trap, flower - shadow armor + reflect - stun repeat.

their resist is tough so trying anything else more then once will get u killed, and beware of there 100k dmg skill.

Warlock/Cleric is good because clerics are a warlocks worst enemy or best friend.

Clerics buffs fade when u transfer, so you would have to go warlock only for delayed skills then switch to cleric to finish em off.

Cleric would be main and warlock sub, even though warlock is stronger, cleric is more useful all around.

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