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 Post subject: Re: reason people think euro are overpowered
PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:24 pm 
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my problem with the hit and run is the chinese are ignorant...

how many times have a chinese phantomed away so he wouldnt die... how is this not the same as hit and run... you run when you dont want to die... same with euro :S they kill, and run so they dont die... chinese run when they dont want to die either

stop complaining about hit and run with euro if chinese is going to run too, go to dh/sama and look how many people are hugging wall, more are chinese than euro


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 Post subject: Re: reason people think euro are overpowered
PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:45 pm 
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Let's keep things simple
Euros r overpowerd, but weak (S$Cks ass anyway)
Chinese r weaker compared to euro, but strong against their own race (racial build)

one more thing
why the f*ck do euros always attack and run safe zone again????? it's just another sign they s*ck


I always do that to the morons who pvp near safe zone, BTW lots of chinese player also play hit and run.

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i hit and run the level 80 + chars :D with my level 50. its funny to freeze them and run. its also ammazing to find how many "high levels" dont have pills on them :D

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 Post subject: Re: reason people think euro are overpowered
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they might not have any pills because they were used during pvp?


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 Post subject: Re: reason people think euro are overpowered
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my chinese hybrid has a much easier time vs euros of the same lvl than pure chinese characters, no chance for warlock though

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 Post subject: Re: reason people think euro are overpowered
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the reason people think euroes are overpwowerd is because they are. plain and simple. you can argue about pot delay all day long but the fact of the matter is if a fully farmed capped, full sosun glaiver can get 1shotted by a fully farmed, capped, +5 wizard than the euroes are overpowerd. i still play chinese cause they are more fun without a doubt. but euroes are overpowered. and we chinese players will keep bitching and complainng as long as retared euro players atribute their ownage to skill as opposed to the fact that thier race is stronger.
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 Post subject: Re: reason people think euro are overpowered
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o stop your 1 hit argument... the only chars that can 1 hit are the same chars that can be 1 hit...

galvie can 1 hit wizard... but no one says chinese are overpowered


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 Post subject: Re: reason people think euro are overpowered
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glaive can 1hit the wizzard. but not if the wizzard turns on invisibilitiy and then nukes and runs back inside and starts running thier mouth and talking shit. just like 99% of euros do. honestly would i bitch about wizzards if they couldnt turn invisible and be unbeatable (except by another euro) no. but one skill after another euroes outclass chinese. its simple and if you cant see it your either blind or a retard.

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 Post subject: Re: reason people think euro are overpowered
PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 10:49 pm 
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glaive can 1hit the wizzard. but not if the wizzard turns on invisibilitiy and then nukes and runs back inside and starts running thier mouth and talking shit. just like 99% of euros do. honestly would i bitch about wizzards if they couldnt turn invisible and be unbeatable (except by another euro) no. but one skill after another euroes outclass chinese. its simple and if you cant see it your either blind or a retard.


Get detection pills.
Use your Fire combustion.
And specially dont pvp near safe zone (if you are that dumb to pvp near safe zone knowing a rogue/wizard is around you should keep your mouth shut)

The same euros that can 1 hit you can be 1 hitted, simple. Stop complaining about basic shit like that, you are talking about the 2 easiest builds to kill in sro. You dont like it? create an euro char. Besides they are funnier :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: reason people think euro are overpowered
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Lol dont know why you people keep saying euro are funnier, isnt it funner?

anyways, ya all you need is some skill and strategy and euros arent that much of a problem. A wizard can 1hit you yes, but they are also 1 hit. Sure detection has a small radius, but do you really need it? Not really. Dont pvp near safe zones, and if necessary throw upa fire wall. It takes part fo the first hit, and in that time all you have to do is throw a spear, arrow combo, blade force or snake dance and tis gg.if not phantom and gs if you're a glaiver.

a lot of the better euro players dont go stealth come out one hit and run. they have better strategies utilizing the whole build in term of skills, and has more strategy. but i wont go into that, wouldnt want too many people making pvp "one sided" XD.

plus when isro players finally statr group pvping more i think it will be alot more fun


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 Post subject: Re: reason people think euro are overpowered
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i don't know what type of glavies get 1 hit, glavies/spear have bloody snake storm. wiz'z skill takes longer than bloody snake storm to cast because i have never been 1 hit by a wiz with out that skill. they become visible as soon as they start their cast so if you have a quick enough reaction time you shouldn't get 1 hit by wiz


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 Post subject: Re: reason people think euro are overpowered
PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 8:25 am 
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Lol dont know why you people keep saying euro are funnier, isnt it funner?

anyways, ya all you need is some skill and strategy and euros arent that much of a problem. A wizard can 1hit you yes, but they are also 1 hit. Sure detection has a small radius, but do you really need it? Not really. Dont pvp near safe zones, and if necessary throw upa fire wall. It takes part fo the first hit, and in that time all you have to do is throw a spear, arrow combo, blade force or snake dance and tis gg.if not phantom and gs if you're a glaiver.

a lot of the better euro players dont go stealth come out one hit and run. they have better strategies utilizing the whole build in term of skills, and has more strategy. but i wont go into that, wouldnt want too many people making pvp "one sided" XD.

plus when isro players finally statr group pvping more i think it will be alot more fun

ppl say euros are "funnier" cuz they make glaviers look funny when they dont use thier brains, and instead do the easier thing which is complain about euros being overpowered...
+1 the rest of ur statement

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 Post subject: Re: reason people think euro are overpowered
PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 12:54 pm 
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Hey guys, well i have Euros high lvl and Chinese high lvl. What i think is so overpowered about Euros is that they can pick 2 calsses, eventhough 1 class would be enough to do good dmg and be a fully skilled build, whereas chinese get less and less trees available. I mean ok chnese get more attacks aner eventually they will dominate Bow lvl 5 and 6 KB combo WTF euros no matter what type will get owned way more easily. I think what is the biggest problem is that they are not balanced at all at the moment and this is becasue the game is meant to be finished at lvl 150 and not on lvl 90. There was just a new skill series for bicheon introduces which will help a lot killing the euro builds. And there will be a new one for bow and glavie too in the next update. Euros will not get any new skills so thats why they r really in trouble. Besides chinese most of the time dont know how to play against euros. U want to kill a Wiz ALL the time? just skill fire tree to the max and und fire wall at maxed lvl the euro wiz will not even destroy the wall with 1 hit.

U might say well he will just use bless spell and be save and u be killed before bless is over. Not true just use the shield again. It only has a cool down of 10-15 sec.. And meteor has the same range then the wiz nukes.

So basically the game is meant to be balanced in a way that certain builds can kill another certain build to almost 100% and will die VS another one to almost 100%.

Give me one Euro build and i tell u another chinese build that will kill it.


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 Post subject: Re: reason people think euro are overpowered
PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 2:11 pm 
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What i think is so overpowered about Euros is that they can pick 2 calsses, eventhough 1 class would be enough to do good dmg and be a fully skilled build, whereas chinese get less and less trees available.

its not like chinese play with patcheon only do they??? also a euro with no sub will be the most pathetic thing u can ever see.. a warrior who is supposed to be a tank wont tank shit with the pot delay for example.
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I mean ok chnese get more attacks aner eventually they will dominate Bow lvl 5 and 6 KB combo WTF euros no matter what type will get owned way more easily.

in ur personal dreams... im not even going to talk about the Xbow passive absorbing 14% of ranged damage at this cap, or the iron skin/bless combo that makes bows unable to tickle a warrior.
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I think what is the biggest problem is that they are not balanced at all at the moment and this is becasue the game is meant to be finished at lvl 150 and not on lvl 90. There was just a new skill series for bicheon introduces which will help a lot killing the euro builds. And there will be a new one for bow and glavie too in the next update.

thats why they actually add those skills.. balance
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Euros will not get any new skills so thats why they r really in trouble.

please do look at the euro trees first, ok?
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Besides chinese most of the time dont know how to play against euros. U want to kill a Wiz ALL the time? just skill fire tree to the max and und fire wall at maxed lvl the euro wiz will not even destroy the wall with 1 hit.

besides, most noobs dont know how to play wizard well..
ever heard of mana drought??! ever heard of moving out of range till the firewall goes off?
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U might say well he will just use bless spell and be save and u be killed before bless is over. Not true just use the shield again. It only has a cool down of 10-15 sec.. And meteor has the same range then the wiz nukes.

...as if u'll survive that long against a "mana drought"ing wizard

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So basically the game is meant to be balanced in a way that certain builds can kill another certain build to almost 100% and will die VS another one to almost 100%.

Give me one Euro build and i tell u another chinese build that will kill it.

do i even have to reply to this?
1H/Cleric.. unkillable 1v1 by any class in the game. hello..?

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 Post subject: Re: reason people think euro are overpowered
PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 2:43 pm 
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gorste91 wrote:
So basically the game is meant to be balanced in a way that certain builds can kill another certain build to almost 100% and will die VS another one to almost 100%.

Give me one Euro build and i tell u another chinese build that will kill it.

do i even have to reply to this?
1H/Cleric.. unkillable 1v1 by any class in the game. hello..?


yea you can't kill warrior/cleric, I think its the most well built build.
With holy spell its resistant to everything except for stun and bleed.
The best way to kill it is to stun,knock down, or knock back while they're casting bless, cancel bless and you have an easier time. But then you have to worry about doing enough damage to it which is hard to do since shield crush (80% knockback) and sprint assault (stun and knockback 70% and 50%) can be done back to back.

And now with 90 cap and more cleric defense buffs, if they switch to cleric rod and shield they have 400 more physical defense and 600 more magical defense from shield+passive+cleric body and soul diety. How do you kill that if they can heal themselves?

the answer >> rogue/warlock. Stun then dagger desperate then prick+mortal mounds. but then that doesn't even work if they have bless or skins on and there is only a 5 second window to do so.

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 Post subject: Re: reason people think euro are overpowered
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gorste91 wrote:
So basically the game is meant to be balanced in a way that certain builds can kill another certain build to almost 100% and will die VS another one to almost 100%.

Give me one Euro build and i tell u another chinese build that will kill it.

do i even have to reply to this?
1H/Cleric.. unkillable 1v1 by any class in the game. hello..?


yea you can't kill warrior/cleric, I think its the most well built build.
With holy spell its resistant to everything except for stun and bleed.
The best way to kill it is to stun,knock down, or knock back while they're casting bless, cancel bless and you have an easier time. But then you have to worry about doing enough damage to it which is hard to do since shield crush (80% knockback) and sprint assault (stun and knockback 70% and 50%) can be done back to back.

And now with 90 cap and more cleric defense buffs, if they switch to cleric rod and shield they have 400 more physical defense and 600 more magical defense from shield+passive+cleric body and soul diety. How do you kill that if they can heal themselves?



+1 to each word
actually the best word to describe warrior/clerics is "overpowered" not "well built" :D
u also forgot the now "holy recovery division".. practically warrior/clerics now dont have a pot delay cuz they simply HEAL BETTER THAN POTS! :roll:
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the answer >> rogue/warlock. Stun then dagger desperate then prick+mortal mounds. but then that doesn't even work if they have bless or skins on and there is only a 5 second window to do so.

thats not really a downside of war/clerics.. rogue/warlock is the one and only unbeatable 1v1 class in the game.
just for the record: u stun--> wheel bind --> DD --> Kill
i think with panic status from wheel bind (or the new "Recovery Bind" to be accurate), the rogue/lock can take down a 2 hander with his skin on, provided he has a nice dagger and his prick critted high with a crit or two in the mortal wounds/butterfly blow.
here is the description for the bind if anyone doesnt know (its kinda outknown by the razes really):

Recovery Bind Attribute Debuff Type: Active
Description Makes the enemies tremble in fear with ominous phantoms, removing their will for cure, and puts them into panic state that weakens their grace of recovery. Under panic state, their will be 4 second delay when consuming HP, MP potions.
Skill LV 1 Front 10.0m ( Simultaneous 3)
Panic* Level 9 ( Probability 80%, 20 seconds)

(*increased pot delay by 4 extra seconds, AND severely decreased healing from the cleric/force skills)

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 Post subject: Re: reason people think euro are overpowered
PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 1:28 am 
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I have been 1 hit by both euro and chinese my lvl, mainly because i have >1000 hp. When vrsing euro, expoit their weaknesses - COLD WAVE AREST. Pwned, anyone?

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 Post subject: Re: reason people think euro are overpowered
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I have been 1 hit by both euro and chinese my lvl, mainly because i have >1000 hp. When vrsing euro, expoit their weaknesses - COLD WAVE AREST. Pwned, anyone?


Excuse me... WTF you just tried to say?

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amvpua wrote:
I have been 1 hit by both euro and chinese my lvl, mainly because i have >1000 hp. When vrsing euro, expoit their weaknesses - COLD WAVE AREST. Pwned, anyone?


Excuse me... WTF you just tried to say?


LoL don't know if Noble was joking or not...


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amvpua wrote:
I have been 1 hit by both euro and chinese my lvl, mainly because i have >1000 hp. When vrsing euro, expoit their weaknesses - COLD WAVE AREST. Pwned, anyone?


Excuse me... WTF you just tried to say?


LoL don't know if Noble was joking or not...


It looks like a joke to you? Because im always fckn serious.
If you understand what he said, please explain it and if you are going to post useless stuff, dont do it.

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i think they made it that way so that everyone has some one that can defeat them. so it makes it different. euros have lower def but higher attack and chinese have higher def and lower attacks.

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 Post subject: Re: reason people think euro are overpowered
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amvpua wrote:
I have been 1 hit by both euro and chinese my lvl, mainly because i have >1000 hp. When vrsing euro, expoit their weaknesses - COLD WAVE AREST. Pwned, anyone?

u didnt say ur race, u didnt say ur build
what does this "vrsing euro" thing mean anyway??
and the cold wave arrest thingy.. are u talking about freezing someone to kill him or so? if thats what ur saying.. ever heard of pills or Holly spell...?
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It looks like a joke to you? Because im always fckn serious.
If you understand what he said, please explain it and if you are going to post useless stuff, dont do it.


LOL... Geez calm down its ment to be about amvpua's cold wave arrest


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It looks like a joke to you? Because im always fckn serious.
If you understand what he said, please explain it and if you are going to post useless stuff, dont do it.


LOL... Geez calm down its ment to be about amvpua's cold wave arrest


ok...sorry about that :D

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lol, i didnt expect that much coz of my reply. Euro chars are slow, so, slowing them even more is how to win. cold wave arrest is what wins all my pvp, so ya.

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lol, i didnt expect that much coz of my reply. Euro chars are slow, so, slowing them even more is how to win. cold wave arrest is what wins all my pvp, so ya.


do you even know what holy spell does?


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lol, i didnt expect that much coz of my reply. Euro chars are slow, so, slowing them even more is how to win. cold wave arrest is what wins all my pvp, so ya.


do you even know what holy spell does?


+1

Ya plus most chinese dont even lvl cold wave.I can have lvl 1 holy spell and most chinese will see resist over my head and say wtf.

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lol, i didnt expect that much coz of my reply. Euro chars are slow, so, slowing them even more is how to win. cold wave arrest is what wins all my pvp, so ya.


do you even know what holy spell does?


+1

Ya plus most chinese dont even lvl cold wave.I can have lvl 1 holy spell and most chinese will see resist over my head and say wtf.


only the n00bs do, so when you run out of pills in pvp they just keep spamming it... now that is quite annoying...


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its not worth farming for just annoying ppl!
anyway the guy was talking about euros being slow...!
just watch any video of any rogue or any warlock.. u'll c slow

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Hey IC3M4N is that your girlfriend??:D
She is hot ! 8)

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