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OK SO I GOT A LVL 69 GLAVIER AND I WANT TO GET HIM TO LVL 100 WITH 100 GLAVIE/100FIRE/100FORCE IS THIS GOOD OR SHOULD I CHANGE IT? IF SO WHAT DO I MAKE IT?

best force glaive build = 100 weapon 100 force 80 fire 20 ice

Sorry for not answering your question but i wonder how a Heuk100/ice/force would do

what? 80 fire umm no
just go 100/100/100

LOL you will see that you need the snow shield later on and will go 80 fire 20 ice

Then make force 80, fire is a must for str based, the damage achieve from your buffs from fire, outdamages if dps overtime.

1. Fire maxed is not a must for a STR;
2. The difference between 80fire and 100 fire is theoretically very small for a STR build;
3. 20% snow shield benefits for a force user would probably benefit the STR more than the small theoretic decrease in damage from 100fire -> 80fire;
4. Droping 100force to 80force would in fact be a huge disadvantage:
5. Your debuffs probability of working would be reduced;
6. Your curing abilities would be reduced;
7. Your healing abilities would be reduced;
8. You'd lose the ability to cast Division, which is a awesome debuff;
9. Concluding, all your force abilities would suffer a rather big drawback.

The only disadvantages in deleveling fire to 80 would be losing a rather small amount of damage and some magical defense, but at that cost being able to cast the 20% snow shield, which in my opinion is more worth than these I last mentioned. We need to actually test this for a concrete conclusion nevertheless.


It'd probably be a somewhat fine build, but I don't really see a reason for going cold instead of fire, as a pure STR.

Best force glavie build: Either 100heuksal/100fire/100force or 100heuksal/80fire/100force/20cold.

Well..

In my vast glaive experience - Fire is the most important 'element' to a STR build because of the magical defense and physical damage increase. Imbue damage increases exponentially which believe it or not has a huge effect for STR characters damage. Force is good, but not worth sacraficing the extra fire for. You also lose the ability to detect invis/stealth players of a high level..which will be very common. Snow shield is a great perk, but 20 skill levels is a lot just for that one skill. Force is really only for the debuffs..the heals suck and res is a joke now that clerics are out and about. The problem is force needs to be maxed to work properly or you'll be stuck with the less occurring (and worse) level 8/9 debuffs. I'd go for 100/100/100 or no force at all because fire is way to important with its raw physical damage increase and imbue damage. Light is a much easier thing to slack off on because from 80->100 light gives little to no benefits.


100/100/100 gives the best damage output which in some situations is great. If you play mostly in parties (which can be rare in lots of cases...) then maybe you don't care about losing your fire and you just want to tank that little bit more. It's really up to you but in most situations fire > ice for pure STR glaive.

In the end though, it's up to what you rather think is more important.

Oh gosh don't even mention the damage difference between imbues. My lvl1 ice imbue hits as hard as my soul fire force. And raphaell kinda said wat i wanted to say. Since the title is BEST FORCE GLAVIE BUILD, he obviously wants force. IMO, Fire 80/20 Cold is better overall.

I don't think you realize how much fire actually benefits you.. The only way I could prove it is ingame but I am currently taking a break. An easy test you can do yourself is use an imbue around level 80~ and then one around the last level imbue and see for yourself. The damage is extremely noticeable. I hunted now and then and I've put invis-detect to it's use a LOT. 2% damage is also a lot more noticeable than you think.

As for the magic defense..Have you PvP'd any nukers this cap? Hell even at 90 cap it was crazy. The lack of level 90/100 chests/pants etc mean your magical defense is already lowered. Try and snow shield against them and the only way to semi-survive is to spam vigors. With my +6 garm set I had trouble staying alive against a Pure int s/s. Throwing away that much magical defense only cripples you further.


@ above

You must be blind. I was testing MP usage with different imbues against the level 95 unique. I used my first book imbue for one whole fight and then my final imbue. The mp usage was a lot less but the time it took to kill with the first book imbue was atrocious. Give me some real values before saying things like that. Higher fire also means higher burn damage which believe it or not is extremely helpful in PvE and some cases PvP.

I'll get some pictures once i get in-game. But i can assure u, the difference between them is very small. Maybe ur magical balance more than mine or something, or maybe becuz im a blader. Either way, my imbue damage stinks with either of them.

EDIT: Just adding:

Satisfied?

In those tests, the damage difference is actually kinda noticeable. Usually my difference is about 100 at the most, im higher lvl too.

*EDIT Found another one

Look at the tests below in that thread, and read Nitro's reply:

And he used it on a lower mob with lower magical/physical defense, that's why it's more noticeable. Look at the pictures below at that thread, when he uses it at mobs his level.

EDIT: And also notice that the first imbue skill ranges to ~ 50 magical damage, which you must agree, is as much as nothing.

oops, didn't look at tht part

^_^


I think we got our points across. Anything else Azilius? By the way, at the unique thing you said, it'd take time to kill him, the difference over time is probably more noticeable.

You do realize Nitros post was about a bowman, not a glaiver..right? Even the test above was about a blader..and not a glaiver. You cannot compare either because the INT on each set is different, the weapon is different and many other factors. My set is pimped with 100% int and my weapon has 61% on the magical damage. I do see a difference and I'll show it to you next time I'm in game.

As for snow shield..A skill that lasts 2 minutes with a 1 minute cooldown. Any damage taken lowers your mana which is already fairly low for a strength based character. Take in to account that glaive skills take significantly more mana than other pure STR skills and you have yourself spamming vigors to keep up..

If force already lowers there damage with impotent, why do you need snow shield as well? Wouldn't you want maximum damage for that bit of time you have?

Again you can't even begin to compare imbue damage unless you have a character level 100 glaive with 80 fire because when fire is 100 you also have the 20% fire damage increase along with your imbue damage increase. The 2% physical damage also most likely doesn't go into the damage calculation like that..but whatever.

Make a pros and cons list =)

pros for ice
snowshield (2 minutes, 1 minute cooldown)
cons for ice
significant mana usage, glaiver has high mana cost. Some cases the snow shield will be useless because of this


pros for fire
higher imbue damage
higher imbue DPS
higher magical defense
higher level invis detection
higher level firewall(i have seen this tactic used well and it DOES work, I haven't found the time to farm the sp though)
higher physical damage
long buff time (helpful..sort of =) )

cons for fire
you wont have snow shield if your third mastery is force

I'm going to have to take Azilius' side on this one. He is absolutely correct about this. First of all, those pictures above, look at the mp. If you notice, its 5k. 5k mp means, he has no int on gear. With 66 Int increase, you affect the imbue damage even more.
The physical damage is negligible, but the magical defense and power from imbue is not. As well as fire wall. Fire wall is the most useful skill, even in group pvp.
Level 100 imbue:
2 100 3040 912~1520 (100%) 220
Level 80 imbue:
8 79 1612 484 ~ 806 (100%) 178
Finally the magical defense.
Level 80 defense:
+126
Level 100 defense:
+277
Thats over a 2x increase. Missing out on the extra 100 will get you killed in 1 vs 1 against nukers and in group pvp. The 1680 magical defense increase from heuskal lasts 15 seconds, your not killing any good nuker in 15 seconds. You can debuff them but they will blue pill it off, then use the maxed fire or ice wall like they always do.
At that pure str characters will hit you harder as well.
100 Fore/100 Fire and 100 Heuskal is the best way to go.

Pretty much everything you said I've already considered on one of my replies, I don't think you've read them all.

Anyways, I'm going again:

I totally agree with raphael on this. And my opinion is also that STR doesn't need maxed Fire. raphael666 is an expert on these things ^^

Other Chinese pure str characters hit you harder by a fairly decent increase when you don't have magical defense buff up.
You can't hold a shield while attacking. I am a weapon switcher on my glaiver when it comes to the shield and I have it down pretty well. I can tell you that the only time I can shield switch is upon kd, after storm cloud, and stunned. Anything beyond that and your sacrificing the speed at which you hit your opponent. Also take this into consideration as well; another glaiver with fire maxed and a shield still has a better defense than you do.
This game is all about small %'s affecting overall damage. That 5% may seem insignificant but with all the other things incorporated with it, the 5% damage increase goes a long way.
To the thread creator:
I would really not recommend taking force at all anymore. Many of my guildmates were force last cap and during 80 cap, they have told me multiple times that its not worth it anymore. There are way too many cons for it and by now, most people know how to counter a force player.

Of course other Pure STR's will hit you hard if your magical defense is lower. Attack with imbue then without..it's a huge difference for STR characters considering how low their damage is compared to ints.

For the reasons stated in this topic, I find it hard to believe that magical defense would noticeably decrease the damage you receive from pure STRs as their damage is basically only physical, with a very small % magical because of the imbue. What'd greatly impact on the damage you receive from STRs would be physical defense, magical defense would only reduce the magical damage which is already very low coming from a pure STR. It's exactly like saying physical defense from cold would reduce by a fairly decent amount the damage you take from pure INTs, which also is not true. I'd risk saying the amount of physical damage pure INT's deal is so so small, it's near or less than 1% of their damage when using weapon skills, in fact, generally when pure INTs crit, their damage doesn't even change, when compared to STRs where the damage nearly doubles. Almost the same applies to pure STRs considering magical damage, just not so low % because it's easier to increase magical damage, magical damage is naturally higher than physical damage in this game.

Pretty sure that's been your argument the whole topic..I think actually testing in game can confirm/break your..beliefs. Also if I remember correctly there are no 10d invisible pills. Can't log in to check out anything though as I'm taking a leave of..absence.

My argument the whole topic has been that the difference between imbues regarding damage for a pure STR is very low, because their magical damage is extremely low, and consequently increasing your magical defense wouldn't actually decrease the damage you receive from pure STRs, as if compared to increasing your physical defense.

I do not know about if there are or not 10d invisible pills. Actually testing in game could yes, get us to a conclusion. We already have the tests with pure STRs without maxed int blues, and from them we can get to the conclusion that without high INT blues imbue really does not change anything against things at your level. We'd need a test from someone with full blues, to see if the difference is actually noticeable (probably will, just don't know by how much). I don't think it'll be something major nevertheless, but let's see. And, this is comparing a maxed imbue (to it's level) with a very low (as low as possible) other imbue.

I don't think we can even do the 'test' without a character the same level who has a lower fire mastery because of the fire bonus damage% you get with each mastery level. Just using a lower level imbue doesn't quite cut it. Regardless I doubt we'll see them any time soon as this threads just going to get buried anyway =.=