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 Post subject: PVP: Choice between 2 chinese
PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 5:55 pm 
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I'm trying to make a PVP orientated chinese but I can't figure out which from the 2 I want:

Option 1:

Pure int s/s nuker with bich/ice/light
Question with this build: I was planning on using ice imbue: I saw a post of someone on srf a while ago(can't remember where) and he tested the damage diff between ice and light imbue. On a mangyang hitting 100k+ the damage diff was like 2-3k. That means in a real fight where damage is 4x lower(he was hitting a mangyang) the differ is only like 500-600 Every hit will be doing like 8k+ damage I saw on pvp vids so I was thinking: Why not take ice? It has a nice freeze against people without holy word and with bich skills that hit very fast the freeze/slow effect will outweight the lil bit of damage from lighting no? Anyone can give me his opinion on this?

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Pure str bow/fire/???
Question with this build: I can't decide between bow/fire/??? or bow/fire/force. How much damage do you do with the force debuffs? Enough to kill without crits? I was thinking of the build bow/fire/heuksel maybe for the extra HP, stuns, and quick finish off skill, since in my opinion force or lighting contributes almost nothing to a bower with already bow/fire. Anyone can give me his opinion on this?

Would be nice if you could answer my questions and help me decide between option 2 or option 1. What's more fun for example? Im leaning towards the pure int guy for more damage and cool looking ice imbue that nobody has, but pure str bow... hmhmhm.


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 Post subject: Re: PVP: Choice between 2 chinese
PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 6:33 pm 
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1st:

Ice Imbue may has a nice effect, but most people are immune to it.
(I have it maxed for pve, for pvp i use fire)
Also every little tiny bit of damage helps to kill. You prefer a +7 weapon over a +5 right.


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A Full debuffed Character gets hit for the double. so non crits are like crits ^^
You will heavily miss the defense of Cold though. But when you know your char and can use constant firewall and use knock back in the right time u are hard to kill.
also nobody can really debuff u unless a warlock maybe because u can simply heal urself.

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 Post subject: Re: PVP: Choice between 2 chinese
PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 6:55 pm 
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hmm I was thinking everyone is saying like everyone is imune and stuff. But i personally dont see allot of high lvls having immunity to it(except for holy word+fire shield users). Also, ice imbue died in pvp, so maybe nobody bothers to be immune anymore?


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 Post subject: Re: PVP: Choice between 2 chinese
PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 8:45 pm 
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I believe you are referring to this:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=122914&hilit=comparison

Depends on your playing style. If you prefer something realistic and moving around quickly while you are alone, aka dash + speed, than go bich ice light pure int. You will have lower hp, but you will die in a reasonable fight. For example when snow runs out, 2 ppl attacking you will result in you dying.

If you prefer being impossible to kill, go fire force bower. Fire wall up, heals, kb spam. If someone is the same lvl as you, you have a good chance of debuffing than crit and killing them. You will be near to impossible to kill if you want since you have the option of kb spam until they run out of pots. Con to this build is that you'll be slow as hell.

Me personally, I always chose pure int builds since I feel that having 50k+ hp and being able to tank an insane amount of dmg is boring and stupid. I prefer a fight where I know I have a good chance of dying if i don't time my skills right. I just feel that people that choose pure str builds are too nubby to survive without the massive hp. A pvp where you have 0% chance of dying is boring to me.

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 Post subject: Re: PVP: Choice between 2 chinese
PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 9:40 pm 
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Goseki wrote:
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i agree

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Me personally, I always chose pure int builds since I feel that having 50k+ hp and being able to tank an insane amount of dmg is boring and stupid.


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 Post subject: Re: PVP: Choice between 2 chinese
PostPosted: Thu Sep 02, 2010 9:48 pm 
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Goseki wrote:
I just feel that people that choose pure str builds are too nubby to survive without the massive hp. A pvp where you have 0% chance of dying is boring to me.



I see, so pure int are not nubby but pure str are, makes no sense, you're just mad cause u get owned so much by pure str builds.. Don't hate on pure str because they rock you..

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 Post subject: Re: PVP: Choice between 2 chinese
PostPosted: Fri Sep 03, 2010 12:30 am 
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No one can "Rock" me unless I choose to let them, Save Wizzards using Life Turnover for obvious reasons. Can't touch me, can't kill me. And pure str aren't that hard to kill as long as they are missing two of the big 5 this cap: Prem, Devil Spirit, Nova Set, Auto-Vigor, Force. Or maybe I stop being a cheapskate and actually buy silk.

Mind telling me how a pure str isn't nubby? Pure int Chn = Med to Med High dmg. Low hp, can tank for short time during snow. Requires some brains to survive the minute without snow. Pure str Chn = Med to occasional Med High dmg when crit while using 3-4 attacks spammed over and over until opponent is dead. Cute, might as well watch tv while smashing random keys until pvp is over.
Bladers = Most can't kill, the ones that do are pretty smart so props to them
Glaivers = Spear toss, stun, dull, kb, repeat.
Bowers = Strong bow, kb, anti, kb, explosion, kb, repeat.

Like I said, game is boring if all you care about is being invincible. It's like playing l4d or css with god on. Woo, big fun challenge when you can't be killed.

But hey, if you enjoy being a tank and never having to risk getting killed in a fight, that's your playing style. I prefer risks in an even fight. Although if it is your playing style, pure str warrior/cleric or Pure str Bower will suite your style better. Just switch to cleric rod and heal or kb spam any time your hp is below 75%. I'm sure your opponent will run out of pots eventually and you can get that win you want.

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 Post subject: Re: PVP: Choice between 2 chinese
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I just feel that people that choose pure str builds are too nubby to survive without the massive hp. A pvp where you have 0% chance of dying is boring to me.



I see, so pure int are not nubby but pure str are, makes no sense, you're just mad cause u get owned so much by pure str builds.. Don't hate on pure str because they rock you..

That just comes off as an incredibly stupid statement. First of, regardless of how nice we all know Goseki's nuker is, Str's really DONT "rock" ints. Not at this cap, nor any recent cap either. I dont know what kind of god awful Int's you've pvp'd to get the idea they suck, but maybe you should find some better ones then =]

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 Post subject: Re: PVP: Choice between 2 chinese
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Goseki wrote:
I just feel that people that choose pure str builds are too nubby to survive without the massive hp. A pvp where you have 0% chance of dying is boring to me.



I see, so pure int are not nubby but pure str are, makes no sense, you're just mad cause u get owned so much by pure str builds.. Don't hate on pure str because they rock you..

That just comes off as an incredibly stupid statement. First of, regardless of how nice we all know Goseki's nuker is, Str's really DONT "rock" ints. Not at this cap, nor any recent cap either. I dont know what kind of god awful Int's you've pvp'd to get the idea they suck, but maybe you should find some better ones then =]




Pure ints are easy kills for my glavie or my hybrid int. There only strong with snow then they die.. I have a lvl 98 pure int, i was given and it has a nice set weapon/shield.. Its garbage if it doesn't have snow.. Snow they can kill, without it there junk..

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 Post subject: Re: PVP: Choice between 2 chinese
PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 12:02 am 
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i've hardly seen a good int die to anything less than
DD, Dagger Desperate combo or rage wiz while in snow shield (especially s/s)

As a str you have to hope that you can get a stun,kd or a few successful crits in a row when they're snow shielding
While they don't have snow shield, it's the other way around.
The defence and BR enhancemets of heuksal/bicheon are very helpful there, just have to use them correctly.

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 Post subject: Re: PVP: Choice between 2 chinese
PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 5:03 am 
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Str always been better then int.,,,,seriously.....most str. that get kill are mainly noobs.....there are a very few really good int. that can manage to survive till there snow starts again but only a few....but str chinese can tank int. all day...just need good accessory set.

-Snow shield
-"auto-vigor"
-Purification pills
-Much higher HP with devil spirit
-Can use shield while being stab
-Firewall

there is just so much a str chinese can do to ensure it will not loose 1/1 vs int.

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 Post subject: Re: PVP: Choice between 2 chinese
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Str always been better then int.,,,,seriously.....most str. that get kill are mainly noobs.....there are a very few really good int. that can manage to survive till there snow starts again but only a few....but str chinese can tank int. all day...just need good accessory set.

-Snow shield with enough attacks there'll not be any mp left to use
-"auto-vigor" against other chinese it's just gay
-Purification pills anyone can use them
-Much higher HP with devil spirit against int with devil you have to watch their damage
-Can use shield while being stab weapon switch might be the next thing to go for chinese if they figure out a way to make fire shield unattached to any weapon.

-Firewall ints can have walls as well..

there is just so much a str chinese can do to ensure it will not loose 1/1 vs int.


anyone can put autopot to 99% (and spam vigour)
the only real downside of an int player is the hp, linked to snow shield

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 Post subject: Re: PVP: Choice between 2 chinese
PostPosted: Sat Sep 04, 2010 3:18 pm 
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If your playing style involves the let's be a douche and make myself impossible to kill, might as well be a pure str warrior cleric or bower and kb spam/heal until your opponent runs out of pots and dies. Guarantee you'll win 100% of your 1v1 battle. Course no one might ever pvp you again, but hey, you kinq men right?

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 Post subject: Re: PVP: Choice between 2 chinese
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I sort of find it strange how seriously people take STR's apparently. My int dies, alot haha. It is in no way a god, but at the same time I can one hit nuke a warrior my level when he doesnt skins on. That same warrior can also one hit me when i dont have snow on. And yet all I hear from STR users is how godly it is and it can tank forever and kill anything.... k...? Kinda makes me think that str users play str for the same reason some men buy really really big trucks.. hah.. Anyway, I think it all comes back to the main idea of pvp that any build can beat most others.. Just figure it out. I've figured out how to make ints work for me and how MY style is. Doesnt work for everyone else

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