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adversant
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Post subject: Hybrid S/S @ 90 cap Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 6:32 am |
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hi guys, ive heard that the update of lvl90 cap might come out around christmas time... was just wondering how would a hybrid s/s masteries be like... 300 max would give us a headache as we need the phy buff from ice. Just place your opinions... also yeah does anyone know of a website that has the updated chinese skills details? like its dmg n so on... thank you
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Post subject: Re: Hybrid S/S @ 90 cap Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 8:12 am |
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adversant wrote: hi guys, ive heard that the update of lvl90 cap might come out around christmas time... was just wondering how would a hybrid s/s masteries be like... 300 max would give us a headache as we need the phy buff from ice. Just place your opinions... also yeah does anyone know of a website that has the updated chinese skills details? like its dmg n so on... thank you
The best combination is probably bicheon 90, lightning 90, cold 90, fire 30, wearing garments (the 20% MP reduction will be needed if you go for the higher snow shield levels, and with cold you can afford it too; now think about how fast you'll be moving...). I'm still trying to convince myself of keeping force (bicheon 90, lightning 90, force 90, cold 30), but I'm having a hard time with high level clerics arriving. I've been disappointed with the effects of vital spot, so if anyone can give me an incentive to keep force over the above mentioned build, please let me know.
I haven't found a site yet with the updated Chinese skills other than the infamous spreadsheet turned HTML, so I plan on writing an overview sometime soon, and post it on this forum. I'm trying to decide if I should make a different thread for each tree or one very large post in stead.
_________________ [88] Vivace Pure INT Bard/Cleric, Bard 88, Cleric 88
[83] Pinokkio Pure INT Force Nuker, Force 83, Cold 83, Lightning 83, Fire 60
[81] Sybian Pure INT KD Nuker, Bicheon 81, Cold 81, Lightning 81, Fire 60
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Post subject: Re: Hybrid S/S @ 90 cap Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2007 9:42 am |
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[quote="phulshof"][quote="adversant"]hi guys, ive heard that the update of lvl90 cap might come out around christmas time... was just wondering how would a hybrid s/s masteries be like... 300 max would give us a headache as we need the phy buff from ice. Just place your opinions... also yeah does anyone know of a website that has the updated chinese skills details? like its dmg n so on... thank you[/quote]
The best combination is probably bicheon 90, lightning 90, cold 90, fire 30, wearing garments (the 20% MP reduction will be needed if you go for the higher snow shield levels, and with cold you can afford it too; now think about how fast you'll be moving...). I'm still trying to convince myself of keeping force (bicheon 90, lightning 90, force 90, cold 30), but I'm having a hard time with high level clerics arriving. I've been disappointed with the effects of vital spot, so if anyone can give me an incentive to keep force over the above mentioned build, please let me know.
I haven't found a site yet with the updated Chinese skills other than the infamous spreadsheet turned HTML, so I plan on writing an overview sometime soon, and post it on this forum. I'm trying to decide if I should make a different thread for each tree or one very large post in stead.[/quote]
yeah kinda agree that it would be useful to go for ice... but what about the high magical dmg from fire imbue and its nuke itself... its shield buffs and physical dmg are also rather important... i was thinking of just reaching the 1st lvl of the last book and thats it... im not sure... but i get your point...  well for your info... i seriously dont see any usefulness for FORCE esp when we have the clerics around im sorry about it bro...
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 9:59 am |
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still hoping to see replies from higher lvl players out there... some debates going on the issue of how masteries should be placed for the 90cap hybrids... as a sword user myself.. was thinking of 2 types...
bicheon 90 (reasons: most offensive play with 2 strongest nukes n imbue)
fire 90
light 90
cold 30
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bicheon 90 (reasons: average offense but an added phy def from cold)
light 90
cold 90
fire 30
or.... im not sure... so just hoping to hear from you guys
really appreciate it! thanx
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mios
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Post subject: Re: Hybrid S/S @ 90 cap Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2007 10:27 am |
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phulshof wrote: adversant wrote: hi guys, ive heard that the update of lvl90 cap might come out around christmas time... was just wondering how would a hybrid s/s masteries be like... 300 max would give us a headache as we need the phy buff from ice. Just place your opinions... also yeah does anyone know of a website that has the updated chinese skills details? like its dmg n so on... thank you The best combination is probably bicheon 90, lightning 90, cold 90, fire 30, wearing garments (the 20% MP reduction will be needed if you go for the higher snow shield levels, and with cold you can afford it too; now think about how fast you'll be moving...). I'm still trying to convince myself of keeping force (bicheon 90, lightning 90, force 90, cold 30), but I'm having a hard time with high level clerics arriving. I've been disappointed with the effects of vital spot, so if anyone can give me an incentive to keep force over the above mentioned build, please let me know.  I haven't found a site yet with the updated Chinese skills other than the infamous spreadsheet turned HTML, so I plan on writing an overview sometime soon, and post it on this forum. I'm trying to decide if I should make a different thread for each tree or one very large post in stead.
+1
this is the build in going on my current nuker alrdy planning onto 90cap
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 11:35 am |
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how reliable is your information? lvl 90 cap.. even now im far away from being fully farmed.
regarding your question, the answer is not that easy.
cold tree: you really do take advantage from cold buff for physical defense.
fire tree: you need the imbue for higher damage, mag. defense, increase of phys. damage and that revealingskill
lightning: i think ghost walk phantom is nice, but not THAT important. grass walk could be compensated by speed potion in pvp. the really important thing is the parry increase skill and the passive.
as you can see, we got a trade-off between cold and lightning. at the current cap cold gives you up to 162 additional physical defense, which is quite useful in pvp fighting chars that do primary physical damage. in my opinion lightning is less useful now. but at the cap, the whole thing changes significantly. so, b4 i make a decision, i gotta examine the new attributes of the skills after lvl 90 cap is released.
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Post subject: Re: Hybrid S/S @ 90 cap Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:05 pm |
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adversant wrote: phulshof wrote: The best combination is probably bicheon 90, lightning 90, cold 90, fire 30, wearing garments (the 20% MP reduction will be needed if you go for the higher snow shield levels, and with cold you can afford it too; now think about how fast you'll be moving...).
yeah kinda agree that it would be useful to go for ice... but what about the high magical dmg from fire imbue and its nuke itself... its shield buffs and physical dmg are also rather important... i was thinking of just reaching the 1st lvl of the last book and thats it... im not sure... but i get your point...
In my experience, the reduced parry ratio from lightning usually makes up the difference in damage. Especially since the lightning nukes carry higher damage at higher level then the fire nuke. Also, do not forget that at level 90 you get a new lightning nuke, so you will have the level 87 and the level 90 lightning at your disposal.
I will miss the shield buffs and physical damage, altho with fire 30 I can still get some of that. It just requires more alchemy on my jewelry for the immunity.
_________________ [88] Vivace Pure INT Bard/Cleric, Bard 88, Cleric 88
[83] Pinokkio Pure INT Force Nuker, Force 83, Cold 83, Lightning 83, Fire 60
[81] Sybian Pure INT KD Nuker, Bicheon 81, Cold 81, Lightning 81, Fire 60
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Post subject: Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 12:13 pm |
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vanom wrote: cold tree: you really do take advantage from cold buff for physical defense. fire tree: you need the imbue for higher damage, mag. defense, increase of phys. damage and that revealingskill lightning: i think ghost walk phantom is nice, but not THAT important. grass walk could be compensated by speed potion in pvp. the really important thing is the parry increase skill and the passive. as you can see, we got a trade-off between cold and lightning. at the current cap cold gives you up to 162 additional physical defense, which is quite useful in pvp fighting chars that do primary physical damage. in my opinion lightning is less useful now. but at the cap, the whole thing changes significantly. so, b4 i make a decision, i gotta examine the new attributes of the skills after lvl 90 cap is released.
Well, I'd also like to think beyond level 90 (deleveling trees that much once is more than enough for me, and level 100 cap is already present in some versions of SRO), which means that sooner or later you will have to make a choice between fire, lightning, and cold. Assuming you want your weapon skills, you can keep 1 force at full power, and one that slowly diminishes as the cap increases.
I have chosen lightning as my main force tree (because all skills are useful for nukers), and cold as my secondary (for snow shield and a bit of phy defense). The fire skills are useful, but not AS useful as the lightning skills, and a certain degree of snow shield is REALLY helpful in battle. An alternative setup for level 90 could be lightning 90, bicheon 90, cold 60, fire 60. It would make immunity easier to get, you can see the lower level invis (like you worry about them at level 90), and you get a bit more physical damage than with fire 30 (although I wonder if you'll notice), but you'll miss out on quite a bit of physical defense from the cold tree. It's a choice, and perhaps it would be nice to see different builds starting to arise again.
The build I envision at level 120 (which is the maximum level of which we've seen skills so far) is lightning 120, bicheon 120, cold 60. I guess I'll have to keep a cleric handy for the immunity, or perhaps 9th or 10th degree equipment can have more than 20% immunity, +5 int/str, and +400 HP....
_________________ [88] Vivace Pure INT Bard/Cleric, Bard 88, Cleric 88
[83] Pinokkio Pure INT Force Nuker, Force 83, Cold 83, Lightning 83, Fire 60
[81] Sybian Pure INT KD Nuker, Bicheon 81, Cold 81, Lightning 81, Fire 60
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