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ARE DUAL AXES GOOD FOR PVP?
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 2:47 am 
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2008 11:34 am 
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WHO CARES, THEY LOOK HELASMEXY

Seriously, idk but they seem good when i fight them.


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for pvp i say no but i am wondering for party

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it's good coz it makes stun as the glavie but the 2 handed sword s the gratest of all as stuff s strong too


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Dual axes are decent.

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They are good, but 2H sword is better


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 1:32 am 
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2h is good if you want to see big numbers over your opponents avatar often. Dual Axe just completely screws them over because the attacks come in so quickly. All those 1.5k ~ 3k hits add up pretty fast, especially with all that stun. Then when you go against Warlocks, XD ~ Dual Axe is Pro. Dual Axe also looks cooler, I don't understand why People want to see 5k over peoples head. Doing 5 hits each ranging from 1.5k - 2.2k damage over 3 seconds is pretty harsh IMO, and the speed at which it comes in. Not to mention those godly overpowered buffs. WTFOMGBBQHAX, warriors are just pro in general. Now I want to roll a DA, T_T.

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u dont need to bump 20 minutes after someone posts...

ot: ya their good, might be hard to get in a party cuz most people think they suck.

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Mmm against other euro builds doing good I think, but pure str china can easily tank even +5 dual axes.. atleast I could with +4 garment set at 80cap, and yes opponent was lvl80 ff too. With easy I mean hp didnt go much under 70%. :roll:

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I think DA are good against certain builds, wiz/rogues/warlocks, so i think if someone takes dual axes he should also farm 2H too, with that you are supossed to crit the shit out of your chinese enemies.

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good for party, no push back and kd.

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they are good in pvp at lvl 76 + xD

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Dual axes are decent.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 7:59 pm 
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they're pretty awesome, even at low levels they get exciting to use.
though axis quiver is kind of a waste, that's the only down fall I'd have to say.
With plenty of stun probability, they're great when it comes to stalling while killing enemies.
with bleed added i think they're as deadly as a 2h, plus with more def power than 2h.
IMO I'd start the game with them, started off as one and loved it more than 2h.

If you want a bit more survivability, pick dual axe with iunno which subclass ( since it has a weaker version of holy word as one if it's passives ).
It is fun to see bunch of numbers pop up our enemies quickly, and can kill efficiently almost as fast as 2h.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2008 9:19 pm 
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that youtube clip was pretty awesome. ive only seen two d axes in game. once a lvl 23 at crabs and another lvl 56 plvling at flowers outside ht. i have to admit they look really cool, sort of like the euro version of chinese bladers, but without the shield


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dual axe skills are split up into 3-5 hits, and the higher the amount of hits the weaker some of those hits are.

For example a 5-hit move would do
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1k
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in the end not even a 2hand cant kill a str chinese without crits, its the massive daredevil crit/bash crit/turn rising crit that are gonna kill.
The chinese even has time to pot between triple swing hits, thats why most 2hands dont use it since you really need 2-3 crits from it to benefit.

If you've ever pvped a dual axe or blader using chains against your own chinese char youd see their skills seem to try to push through your HP bar against the autopot. It's like trying to move a couch thats sitting on carpet. You can either do it the dual axe way and push the couch moving like a couple inchese a second, or you can do it the 2hander way and get a running start and smash into the couch so it moves like 3 feet instantly.

1hand/shield is to tank and kill euros.
2hand is to tank and kill chinese.
dual axe is for party play to lvl up fast. Stun and bleed work wonders, and they dont have knock down or knock back.

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They are good, but 2H is better in PvP. Because KD is better than stuns to immobilize your oppenent. Plus, you will have %50 damage bonus. Also overall much more critics.
With cleric sub, 2H better.
With warclock sub, 1H is enough, not to mention DA. At the end of the trap,sleep,panic combo, your oppenent is long dead with DA.

DA shine in parties if you have a cleric support. AoE skills, no KD.

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bleh just use both to pvp with :S

2h to start with, switch to axe in middle while big hits are on cooldown then switch back

it isnt like you need to use another mastery for 2h :S


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Me, my char on persia is a pure str warrior/cleric
at first i fully farmed my char to 90 with 2h+DA/cleric
but.. the only skill i find usefull is the one w/ the bleed+stun
you run into battle w/ that use that skill (i forgot what it's called)
your opponent has bleed and is stun
you busted out your 2h and you do bezerker.
and boom hopefully your char is dead or you can do a turn rising then a bash.
but yeah..
i'm deleveling down all my DA skills and getting 1h now
cuz.. i've pvp'd with duel axe alone
it's hard to kill when they're even w/ you.
you do quick damages, but they're too low to really do impact.


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well it looks like most people say they are good


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Everything is somewhat good once you are level 90. :D The question is is Dual Axe good relative to other weapons.

I have leveled a dual axe character to level 42 before giving up on him. I actually did some calculations, and concluded that dual axe deals less damage than 1 handed sword, if we do not count breeding. So the damage of dual axe over 1 handed sword is minimal at best, but 1 handed sword tanks A LOT better with extra passive phy def skill, defense on the shield and blocking. Stun is useful yes, but 1hs knockback is EVEN MORE useful. In my view, 1 handed sword owns dual axe in every way.

Relative to 2 handed sword, dual axe survives a tiny bit better, but deals no where near the damage. This is from my own calculation and observation. Basically, dual axes chopping ppl up 4 times in a skill deals less damage than 2 handed sword chopping people once overall. The skill recharge of deal axe skills are pretty long (4-5 seconds) and this greatly decreases the damage output.

Overall from my personal experience, dual axe warrior cannot deal enough damage to kill in PvP, and do not tank well enough to hunt without a cleric.

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CHIPS wrote:
I have leveled a dual axe character to level 42 before giving up on him. I actually did some calculations, and concluded that dual axe deals less damage than 1 handed sword, if we do not count breeding.

Relative to 2 handed sword, dual axe survives a tiny bit better, but deals no where near the damage.


I have fully farmed 54lvl DA/1H Warlock.
DA usually deals greater damage than 1H. Even much greater if you are dealing with multiple mobs. Occasionally 1H deals losts of critics in a row, resulting greater damage than DA.

PvP:
I never start with DA, unless I want fun. It is very vulnerable. Defence is weak, stun is not adequate. After successfull debuffs, I use either 1H or DA. DA kills faster though.Or just 1H for nukers and wizards.

Simply put:
1to1: 2H is way better than others. But, if you feel unsecure, use 1H.
1toMany: DA is way better than others. But, if you feel unsecure, use 1H.
That is the deal.

Finally: DA is best suited dealing with multiple mobs. Not ideal for PvP to start with.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:43 am 
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I have a c&s question. In comparison to One Hand Sword and Two Hand Sword, where would you rank your axes? Are the worth capping with? How are the in Party PvP, I don't care much for Solo because I don't expect to solo much. I'm specifically asking about fortress war. How was/is their performance?


I actually don't have a 2h Sword to work with yet... Waiting for a good Crit one... So I used Dual axes and 1h for FW... Not gonna lie, it's no 2H instant damage, but for Group Pvp, it's very Ideal... Stun and Bleed FTW :D (20% Each/3 Times) + Heavy Chains... It's just Insane, ohh, get a good Crit one and Dang, you'll love it!!!


He has a level 90 fully farmed Dual Axe.

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mememe wrote:
are they good for pvp?

where's the 3rd option in the Poll
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