Comprehensive Rogue Guide [Work.In.Progress.]

Vizard23 · **Joined:** Sep 2007 **Posts:** 9 **Location:**

XemnasXD wrote:

torinchibi wrote:

Quote:

Stealth

This is your master piece. The silence before the strike.....the terror afterwards. You are able to move amongst your enemies without ever revealing your presence. Once you cast stealth you'll see a great drop in moving speed, The Dagger tree has skillz that can make you a bit faster but not by alot. The Stealth skill has about a 20 sec cool down and at lvl 1 last 60 secs. You can recast it anytime after the cool down and the 60 sec will just starting over. If SRO is lagging or your compy is lagging then you might be visible for a mili sec while recasting.....its unlucky when this happens but such is life. Dagger Rogues have a skill that increases the damage done while in stealth. Once you attack your Stealth goes away so lets use our brain here. The first skill you use in stealth should be a phy attack skill some off you might accidentally use the poison imbue but try to get out the habit. Lets summarize using Stealth.

-20 Sec cooldown
-last 60 sec (initially)
-Lowers moving speed alot
-Daggers get higher damage when stealthed
-If you use a skill Stealth goes away
-If you are attacked Stealth goes away
-You can be detected by skillz on the Fire Tree
-You can be detected by Warriors
-You can be detected (very temporarily) by Wizards
-You can be detected by De-Stealth pots

Wizard detect skills cannot be used against stealth. They only work on Invisible, so against other wizards. You will notice that your own detect skills only work against other rogues. I am pointing this out so it could be fixed.

Im sorry but you are wrong. Wizards can detect you i was PvPing one when they first released Euro and when i noticed a weird icon where my buffs where and then found myself nuked i was very surprised. If its not supposed to work on stealth that is possible But it it does work against stealth and it has killed me before so there is no need to fix anything. But you are right our destealth skill only works against rogues which is ghey imo hopefully JM will fix this or something to even out the playing field. Thx for your input.

no decry is the only skill because decry detected stealth and detec of wizard only detected invisible

elnawawi · **Joined:** Jun 2007 **Posts:** 338 **Location:**

Vizard23 wrote:

XemnasXD wrote:

torinchibi wrote:

Quote:

Stealth

This is your master piece. The silence before the strike.....the terror afterwards. You are able to move amongst your enemies without ever revealing your presence. Once you cast stealth you'll see a great drop in moving speed, The Dagger tree has skillz that can make you a bit faster but not by alot. The Stealth skill has about a 20 sec cool down and at lvl 1 last 60 secs. You can recast it anytime after the cool down and the 60 sec will just starting over. If SRO is lagging or your compy is lagging then you might be visible for a mili sec while recasting.....its unlucky when this happens but such is life. Dagger Rogues have a skill that increases the damage done while in stealth. Once you attack your Stealth goes away so lets use our brain here. The first skill you use in stealth should be a phy attack skill some off you might accidentally use the poison imbue but try to get out the habit. Lets summarize using Stealth.

-20 Sec cooldown
-last 60 sec (initially)
-Lowers moving speed alot
-Daggers get higher damage when stealthed
-If you use a skill Stealth goes away
-If you are attacked Stealth goes away
-You can be detected by skillz on the Fire Tree
-You can be detected by Warriors
-You can be detected (very temporarily) by Wizards
-You can be detected by De-Stealth pots

Wizard detect skills cannot be used against stealth. They only work on Invisible, so against other wizards. You will notice that your own detect skills only work against other rogues. I am pointing this out so it could be fixed.

Im sorry but you are wrong. Wizards can detect you i was PvPing one when they first released Euro and when i noticed a weird icon where my buffs where and then found myself nuked i was very surprised. If its not supposed to work on stealth that is possible But it it does work against stealth and it has killed me before so there is no need to fix anything. But you are right our destealth skill only works against rogues which is ghey imo hopefully JM will fix this or something to even out the playing field. Thx for your input.

no decry is the only skill because decry detected stealth and detec of wizard only detected invisible

that's what joy max said ,, but in fact this detect skill detect me while walking near wizards .. I can see the skill next to my name when get close enough to enter the range of it .. and I'm so sad that JoyMax gave wizards this point and don't give us the same as they do :banghead:

.. they are noobs

bugy92 · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 294 **Location:**

Just have to ask...At lvl 80 can A full str archer chinese beat a rogue in pvp(If they are both lvl 80 and have same powerfull gear)?

rCrew · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 22

Nice Guide, i just came to confirm the skills i was up to choose on bard.

Ill go for almost all Bard series, sp's wont be a problem

GL HF

ciddy · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 864 **Location:**

you should add this to your guide

it's a list of place where i grinded with a xbow with xbow extreme, +3 or +4 xbow, with all npc gears few with +1 or +2.

in bold are the mobs i actually grinded

1-40 was powerlevel
40-42 Maong
42-45 Small Bunwang/Bunwangs
45-48 Mujigi/Ujigi
48-50 Penon fighter or penon warrior (if you have noise up to 60)
50-56 Penon warrior (if you have noise up to 60) or Sonars
56-60 Devil Yeti/Yeti (got extra exp from isy seen her 3 times) or Shakram/Edimmu
60-64 Shakram/Edimmu or Power earth ghost or Earth ghost soldiers/warriors
64-72 Earth ghost soldiers/warriors or niya sniper/hunter
72-80 Niya Generals

Session · **Joined:** Oct 2007 **Posts:** 7

I just wanted to ask something.

What skills should go where?
In rogue mastery theres plenty of skill I just wanted to know where I should put sum how many upgrades should I give it?

Thanks

Double_D · **Joined:** Oct 2007 **Posts:** 152 **Location:**

nice guide but i need to point out something and ask something

i think i read somewhere that armor/ light armor/ robes dont have the 20% & 10% sp reduction and speed increase as in their chinese counterparts

and my question is about pvping 2h warrios. they detect me and KD, KB or Stun me when am about to do prick then when am stunned/KDed they just finish me off with another 1-2 hits

(oh btw am dagger Only ATM, will get xbow skills later), i really need an answer for this one.

Session · **Joined:** Oct 2007 **Posts:** 7

is desperate dagger good for rogue?

Double_D · **Joined:** Oct 2007 **Posts:** 152 **Location:**

Session wrote:

is desperate dagger good for rogue?

is water good for fish? :roll:

XemnasXD · **Posted:** Fri Nov 02, 2007 1:54 am

Double_D wrote:

nice guide but i need to point out something and ask something

i think i read somewhere that armor/ light armor/ robes dont have the 20% & 10% sp reduction and speed increase as in their chinese counterparts

and my question is about pvping 2h warrios. they detect me and KD, KB or Stun me when am about to do prick then when am stunned/KDed they just finish me off with another 1-2 hits

(oh btw am dagger Only ATM, will get xbow skills later), i really need an answer for this one.

when dealing with Warriors stay out of range or there detect skill before you attack. If they know your coming they'll most use it where ever they think you might be. So like i said stay out of range until your ready and then go for it. If you get unlucky and the detect you while you coming immediately cancel stealth (it'll just slow you down) and continue your attack. If you do it properly even if they catch you while your coming you'll still have enough time to get in and kill them. If they turn iron skin on get out unless you have a good lvl Cleric sub....

casqueda · **Joined:** Oct 2007 **Posts:** 257 **Location:**

i love it

both rogues and this guide

Necrobat · **Posted:** Mon Nov 05, 2007 1:38 pm

Great guide. Definitely taught me some things to watch out for as a rogue. =D

Question though; is Destealth really all that useful for jobbing as a thief? Or is it best left to hunter thieves, who generally stay revealed?

XemnasXD · **Posted:** Mon Nov 05, 2007 10:13 pm

Necrobat wrote:

Great guide. Definitely taught me some things to watch out for as a rogue. =D

Question though; is Destealth really all that useful for jobbing as a thief? Or is it best left to hunter thieves, who generally stay revealed?

Hunters are Rogues too and also its good for general PvP so yeah i'd get it because Rogue Hunters like Juey can be a pain in the a** if you don't know they're there...

EDIT: added a new vid.....

thAi · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 891 **Location:**

When is the right time to lvl up dagger skills?

[SD]happynoobing · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 2349 **Location:**

thAi wrote:

When is the right time to lvl up dagger skills?

depends:
if you farm early, add them as u lvl up
if you farm late, add them after u farm
if you dont wanna farm, add them when u get to cap
if you are gapping... add them anytime

xbow skills dont have those fancy moves

so they get boring fast

fasd · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 234 **Location:**

Rogue as quite a big problem by facing npc hunters but can easily beat other people npc's, that's why i choose hunter not thief >.>... If you want to ambush someone you can do it while hunting thiefs lol

-.- · **Posted:** Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:42 pm

heh... when facing hunters with skin on just use sub to bind them and sit there with xbow hitting them

bind will last as long as skin or just about as long

rogue theif are good, you can make entire transport stealth and monsters wont attack you, just have partner to attract spawn when you have to redo stealth every minute

Master_Chief · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 27 **Location:**

very nice guide, i based my rogue on it. now im lvl 77 at rome looking forward to farm daggers at lvl 80 =)

bennedro · **Joined:** Sep 2007 **Posts:** 27 **Location:**

whoa, rogues are so strong o.o stealth then crit :O 25k crit on a high lvl 70s :O dang... the people in the videos are scary xD dun wanna meet a theif in my travels that strong xD

Dark520 · **Joined:** Sep 2007 **Posts:** 122 **Location:**

Quote:

-Don't Try to Lure
I know i know your Str based you've got tons of health your a bad Mother F*cker right ...WRONG! Even with DD or EX off you lack the tanking and aggro skillz necessary to handle multiple mobs at once AND keep them from attacking your team mates. So wise move is don't go out attracting more mobs than you can handle. You'll already have a hard enough time with wizards AoEing everything in sight. So don't feel like a p*ssie just because you have to stand back and wait for things to come to you. Its better to kill what comes than having the whole party die because you decided to be a hero.

Sorry if this has been said already, but I'm not reading through 8 pages to post... Quite simply you're wrong, just plain wrong. Rogues are the best pullers in the game if they're not dumb and try to use EX or DD when they try to pull... I believe the wizards are there to do damage, not you. If you weren't there to pull, then you wouldn't have a party. If you try to damage deal a wizard does exactly 5x better than you, because they have AoE...you don't. For those who aren't clear on the procedure of rogues pulling, here it is:

Run around, triple shot groups of mobs, run back to cleric, let them take aggro, run back and pull more... Not very hard, eh? There's no reason for you to have to hold the aggro... that's why you stay 30m away with the Xbow... if your cleric isn't properly buffed or built to handle the aggro then they're a bad cleric, you're not a bad puller.

/rant

My experience is from MaliceArmy guild on Odin, best partiers in the game.

XemnasXD · **Posted:** Sun Dec 09, 2007 7:40 am

Dark520 wrote:

Quote:

-Don't Try to Lure
I know i know your Str based you've got tons of health your a bad Mother F*cker right ...WRONG! Even with DD or EX off you lack the tanking and aggro skillz necessary to handle multiple mobs at once AND keep them from attacking your team mates. So wise move is don't go out attracting more mobs than you can handle. You'll already have a hard enough time with wizards AoEing everything in sight. So don't feel like a p*ssie just because you have to stand back and wait for things to come to you. Its better to kill what comes than having the whole party die because you decided to be a hero.

Sorry if this has been said already, but I'm not reading through 8 pages to post... Quite simply you're wrong, just plain wrong. Rogues are the best pullers in the game if they're not dumb and try to use EX or DD when they try to pull... I believe the wizards are there to do damage, not you. If you weren't there to pull, then you wouldn't have a party. If you try to damage deal a wizard does exactly 5x better than you, because they have AoE...you don't. For those who aren't clear on the procedure of rogues pulling, here it is:

Run around, triple shot groups of mobs, run back to cleric, let them take aggro, run back and pull more... Not very hard, eh? There's no reason for you to have to hold the aggro... that's why you stay 30m away with the Xbow... if your cleric isn't properly buffed or built to handle the aggro then they're a bad cleric, you're not a bad puller.

/rant

My experience is from MaliceArmy guild on Odin, best partiers in the game.

boo MA, i was unioned with them wayyyy back when...

OT: That section was/is to be used by ppl who are first entering the Euro Party System with a Rogue and don't know what to expect. If you feel comfortable enough with your group to lure 5 sungsung at once and hope they can handle it by all means go ahead. Most ppl don't see it that way. I've seen Rogues kicked from parties way to many times because they pulled more mobs than the group could handle.

If Everyone in the party is doing there job perfectly then yes Rogues make great lurers but i've never been in a party where it worked that smoothly. Warriors lure when they should be tanking, Wizards Lure when they should be helping the warrior, Cleric sometimes try to fight instead of just healing, its normally total chaos.

As i said b4 you are correct though. Rogues make great Lurers but in my opinion only when the party is going perfectly and 95% of the time its not so my advice to Rogues is the same, don't lure unless your asked to because if the warrior is pulling mobs and the wizard is AoE mobs and your pulling 3-4 mobs i can guarantee someone is going to die alot and they won't be happy. You might find yourself kicked or watch as your party members leave you and when that happens it won't matter if you were bad puller or if you had a bad cleric because it'll be over.

The Party system works best when the Party is able to compensate for weaknesses or imperfections by working together. The party defines the circumstances you grind under not you the individual. If i was party leader and someone decided to lure mobs because they think "a good healer should be able to handle it" i'd kick them because they trying to conform the party to their playing standards and thats not working together.

Also you completely ignored the fact that not all rogues have Xbow and even if they did Alot can go wrong especially when your luring mobs too your cleric....it would be better to lure mobs and let a warrior aggro them.

/rant

thanks for your input....i may edit that section if i feel the need but right now i think its fine the way it is thanks for reading....

jarrod · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 708 **Location:**

nice guide.... now im stil learning my rogue/cleric in pvp ...

antics · **Posted:** Wed Feb 20, 2008 4:10 am

this guide is good for anyone who wants to become a rogue
i personally tried daggers first got him to lvl 52
but got bored of him
i enjoy xbow over dagger

BloodyBlade · **Posted:** Wed Feb 20, 2008 1:29 pm

The Big question;

Should I use daggers or Xbow?

I pvp/thief/trade a lot, but are daggers also good to grind on mobs?

l05tfr33k7 · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 970 **Location:**

i gotta give credit to ya xemnas, great and straight out thread.
although my rogue build was built before i saw this thread, it just confirms some stuff and helps others. thx

Mefra · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 458 **Location:** Holland

Hey man, it's a great guide, but there's something about the light armor.

When you sub in Bard, light armor would be the best, for sure. But if you sub in cleric (don't know about warlock) robes ain't such a bad choice. You really need that small speed increase (unless you're rich enough to buy speed potions all the time).

I don't know how it's gonna work out on the later levels, but I'm lvl 40 now, and I'm glad I switched to Robes. Robes also saves you some money, cause you can pimp your gear with only STR, you don't really need the extra INT on it.

BloodyBlade · **Posted:** Fri Feb 22, 2008 4:04 pm

Mefra wrote:

Hey man, it's a great guide, but there's something about the light armor.

When you sub in Bard, light armor would be the best, for sure. But if you sub in cleric (don't know about warlock) robes ain't such a bad choice. You really need that small speed increase (unless you're rich enough to buy speed potions all the time).

I don't know how it's gonna work out on the later levels, but I'm lvl 40 now, and I'm glad I switched to Robes. Robes also saves you some money, cause you can pimp your gear with only STR, you don't really need the extra INT on it.

Really?

Ill wait for other peeps to confirm this

Mefra · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 458 **Location:** Holland

Quote:

Ill wait for other peeps to confirm this

Think you can wait a long time. Don't think much people from high levels are using robe with there rogue. It's also my personal preference of robe (and garment for chinese). Even though, I still think it'll work, but you'll need the STR on your equipement which you need less on light armor. But I don't care about that...

phunky · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 6 **Location:**

Here is a pvp video i made the other day showcasing my lvl 80 Rogue/Warlock. A different way to play a rogue other than to be in constant stealth. Still farming and need my lvl 80 skills.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnCmMwrj60o

Thoughts and comments appreciated.

XemnasXD · **Posted:** Tue Feb 26, 2008 7:30 am

phunky wrote:

Here is a pvp video i made the other day showcasing my lvl 80 Rogue/Warlock. A different way to play a rogue other than to be in constant stealth. Still farming and need my lvl 80 skills.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnCmMwrj60o

Thoughts and comments appreciated.

Nice video i would've liked to see you fight more than just the same blader just to give ppl a better idea on the versatility of the build but i enjoyed it for what it was all the same. Nice job. I assume you posted it here so i could add it to the video section which i will be doing, plz make more Rogue/Warlock is still a pretty unknown build right now and you seem to have a very successful one this could inspire alot of ppl. Thx again

Also no comment on the Robe over Light Armor Issue, i prefer light armor and you'll take a bigger beating from physical mobs and STRs without it.

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