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I don't see why we should even compare the damage to spear. The spear should obviously do more damage. Even though the damage is higher with spear, it does not mean it's better to switch to spear.

This goes the same with pure STR bowman and glaive. Glaive obviously does higher damage than the STR bowman. And, still that doesn't mean you should switch to glaive.

When you get the advantage of range, you sacrifice something for it.
Glaive and spear will always be the harder hitters.

Don't give an example about glaive and bow, because glaive is for melee and bow is for range. The current question here is :
Why do you have to shoot with a bow when you can nuke with a spear and still have the advantage of range ?
Of course bow's range is farther than nuke, but do you know that you nuke harder than shoot ?

Gotta quote the sig...i have been saying that since i started playing...everyone knows the only people that butcher the english language worse that koreans are turks...but koreans do a nice job for second place

wrong topic

and who cares?

I think this is a valid point. As far as i can tell the bow shoots 4.4m farther than a nuke with the break heaven buff.
Without the buff its the same distance right?

I Wanna Be Made, could you do an experiment and buy a NPC spear and NPC bow. and test the damage difference between a spear nuke, and a strong bow.

Also what is the difference between the nuke and a antidevil crit and a strong bow crit.

I rather gamble on a crit +extra distance, over a nuke if the crit is decently more powerful.

I didnt test this but i think while using demon soul arrow +4.4m, u'll have bonuse distance attack no matter the weapon u use. I mean that even if u nuke with spear, u'll have +4.4m attack distance with the buff.
Comparing nuke with strongbow doesnt make any sense since strongbow has 350% boost while nuke has 300% boost. It's normal if u find that strongbow deal more damage.

Will this 70:70 build also work with a spear ??

I tried using the hawk buff with a lion shout. It made no difference in range. I didn't bother spending the points on a nuke to test it out, but inductive reasoning says it won't work with that, either. By all means, try it out and see. Hell, go try it with the ranged attacks on the other weapons, too.

@eukanuba-Hawks dont affect range.

And the 67 archer is now still an archer but I will Also farm for 4-7days more to level the nukes after I tested the archer. I have a feeing the Nukes will be more effective than the bow. This is because My fried is lvl 79 with equal HP/MP and he nukes a 7x in 2 hits and is dead. So I will give it a try to both sides. I guess Im spending even more silk now U idiots better be thankfull...

The question is how much weaker is a strong bow/ anti devil when compared to a nuke from a spear. I wannaBe Made already demonstrated that a nuke from a bow is less.
In addition How does a crit on a antidevil compare to a nuke from a spear?

If the nuke is signifcantly stronger than it brings up the question as to wether you would be better off a 70:70 spear.

Hahaha, what? Many high level pure STR bowman players are switching to glaive. Because it gives them better overall survival in PVP. Now, why are we comparing this build to spear? Because, we want to know which does more damage, hence giving the idea of what survives better in PVP.

With the extra range, you are able to unleash one skill before the spear nuker can get into range. By the time the spear nuker actually gets into range, the bowman should be all ready submitting his second skill.

Sure, the spear nuker does harder damage, but they do not have the necessity of the longer range of which bowman has.

As I said, you trade something for something. Damage isn't everything.

Stop that discussion about spear/glaive already -.-
Bow is not a class for 1vs1!!! So if u want pvp go heuksal and bicheon. There are many reasons that can convince u to switch to spear & glaive. So what's the reason of choosing bow?
- because u love bow
- because bow's lvling speed fast
- because bow has far range so u can kill mob before it reaches u
- because bow fights pretty well in group of fight like war job, war guild

Generally, bow needs damage, but dont need tanking because there are others class help it to tank => damage > survivability
=> let's discuss about something else than pvp plz

Distance Buff is only for Bow, nothing more guys. Even you buff it up, you still nuke in the default range.
70:70 is close to 1:2 ratio, and 1:2 ratio work well with spear.

If u reason that way, then tell me why ppl go for pure int, at lvl 70, with 3.9HP or hybrid 1:2? Since nuker>bowman, ppl will jump on nuker first. Nuker wont even have time to launch 2 nukes... Note that a 70:70 has much more HP than any kind of nuker with mag balance > 80%.
But a bow wont staying in the same place to let ppl hit. Its strategy is hit and run. If ppl chase u, u run and your other bow friends with kill them when they dont pay attantion. Because bow attack from far distance, it will kill the enemy before the enemy can notice its presence. Just think of 5 bowers using devil arrow skill on a glaiver....For exemple, the battle begins with 5vs5, but a glavier died => 5vs4; as soon as the 4 glaivers can reach the bowers, another glaiver falls down. The real battle begins with 5v3...and so on.

They'd go for pure INT, first. Pure INT are closer, as they need to be, because of their range for nuking. Also, their health being the lowest and especially known for their hard damage dealing.

It'd be much more of a difficulty when hunting down the bowman, since the distance of their range is significantly longer.

Whoops, you're right.

I was having a brain fart when I wrote that. I was using the pierce heaven buff when I tried it out.

Jade just show us a video of you pving ,,, then mabe i will trun my bow into a 70:70 build ^^

+1

lemme see it and ill buy it...ok i wont but i promise i wont always talk bad about bows...

i was even hybrid bow....stopped at 34 cause i lagged out and died too much...switched to blade...get fraps or camtasia....i am gonna frap a nuker fighting me next week...along with me beating a devil yeti 1v1...

Holy crap this is still going?

well there guys is the video ...
i think i wanna be made posted his pvp video already (he is 80:80 and fighting against full str bow in garment ...on my opinion)

Well i think this build has potential, but against a blader/glavier wouldnt be easy !
But well :) nice theory Jadekiss
we just need some vids more

wil this build also work with a spear ???

Geeze. While you're at it, why not criticize him for using skills instead of auto attack. It shouldn't matter which skills or protection class you use, as all of those things are equally available to the each player without depending on luck.

If you are going to say that he sucks because he almost died, then you have to say the str archer sucks even harder for losing to him.

That being said, the mere fact that he's an 80:80 means I.WANNA.BE.MADE has considerable alchemic properties on his equipment. The PvP video, as the known facts are now, only shows that someone with good alchemy won a couple fights.

Why except for weapon? Arent we comparing build but not item?

You fail at logic and reading comprehension.

You are criticizing him because he chooses to wear armor. Big deal. It doesn't matter what protector class he chooses. You must have a very bad memory, because right before you say "the playing field needs to be near equal" (which I am in agreement with), you say, "Of course [armor, protectors, and garments] are equally available..."

Equal availability is one of the most important things that level the playing field. You even used the words "equally" and "equal" to describe each situation and in the same sentence.

The type of protection he chooses to use is as much a part of his character as the stat distribution. Yes, it does matter in terms of partiality. It does not matter in terms of what is fair or not. What DOES need to be addressed his is use of alchemy, but you made no mention of that and instead whined that he was using armor against a str build. Your bias is evident when you imply that the hybrid should not be allowed to wear armor against a str build. To be completely fair in this situation, you should have proposed that they fight naked, which is actually not a bad idea. If the class of gear someone is going to use must be dictated by others, then EVERY build has the great potential to suck.

Again, if you are going to say that he sucks for almost dying (which, by the way, took place without fire shield and he did not yet pot back up to full HP after the first fight like his opponent most likely did), then you have to acknowledge that the str archer he fought sucks even harder for losing to him. If you are not willing to admit that, then you are clearly incapable of offering impartial insight on the matter.

I will again reiterate that I do not believe the video is proof of anything other than the fact that alchemy is helpful. Without knowing the information for both characters, trying to say one sucks over the other is moot, as no comparison can be drawn.