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And i could own u with that much Str/Int in equips too

I have a question and i hope you guys can help me out. I understand that this 70:70 build works well with spear/heuksal/nuker.
In that case i wonder if I can make this 67 hybrid a 70:70 untill 80; naked stats:
Str - 233 Int - 137
Phy Bal: 85 Mag Bal: 46
If i put all my points in Int what's the result at 80 ?(i don't think so but i'm checking with u), what about at 90 cap ?

Stats if you add just STR from now till 80:
http://bobtheveg.dyndns.org/SRO/Char_Bu ... file=15864

If you add just INT till 80:
http://bobtheveg.dyndns.org/SRO/Char_Bu ... file=15865

omg, stop waking up this thread, unless that Wind posts his guide and video here 6. the discussion is too long -.-

+1
and it's pointless too.

so... how about that 70:70 build eh? lol here's a vid of a 48 80:80 vs pure str bower
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1K888BgiyZo

I only need some advice about that specific build i posted, I'm not trying to wake up this thread .
From that link u gave me i see that i can obtain the 70:70 at lvl 130
so my question : what should i do ? Just add str untill 80 ? or int and swich to spear/heuksal ? ty

A spear is designed to favor a intel char, a glavie a str char. You are a heavy strength hybrid. The only weapon that is not biased to strength or magic is the bow. So off the bat I would recomend bow.
If you dont like bow, then you could restart a new char, or ad all strength and make sure all of your gear has str on it. You could go Blade your lack of HP will be compensated by the shield, and your magic will make you hit harder than a pure str blader.
If you want to go glavie go for it. As long as you have good gear I think you will be fine. Many many people would disagree with me though and tell you your build ressembles vomit.
So the question is do you like your character?
You can save him, but it might be harder to do than starting over.

it's not my char, i have a full str lvl 72 ice bow. A friend of mine has that build and he won't start a new char.... i know it's vomit but that's the way he built it .

farmed 50k and lvl 42, this build of bow really suk for me =) i had some hopes but not now anymore =)

well anyone can own a pure int, that isnt exactly hard lol, and i have an amazing bow hybrid build that wont be shared but ull find me on rome, and ive seen 80/80 bowers drop so apperantly they arent that great, nice try on the help but u dont know enough information to give enough information :/

Thank you, we are currently discussing about a new type of bow build, and if you think you have an amazing bow hybrid build that wont be shared then it's no need for you to talk here. Your attitude makes me sick.

OMG this topic is still alive..

Respect Jadekiss and +5

Sounds ok, Why? Coz 80:80 its ok, Why? Coz bascially its good dmg, why? Umm, Wonderfull idea, why?, Coz i like to spam WHY

big deal ? what would be ur hybird type lol ?60:60 or 60:50. or even 70:30 ? not big deal anyway just try every build.people will know sooner or later.
ur so called amazing bow build is nothing but a crap.
i bet ur so called amazing bow build is str hybird or other crap too.

hmm wind hasn´t posted yet...

i don´t really believe in this build.i think you just lose to much hp to survive,whereas you won´t make up with the continues damage a nuker does.and even more important,if you take bow you are as good as helpless.bowers got no way to defend theirselves
and for the people that say:phantom away!,they seem to forget that the one that is slicing you in pieces can just phantom with you and bam,there he is again

but every1 has its own way ,and i support the making of a new build,instead of follwing the old pattern.good luck jade

When you phantom people can't exactly just follow... you have to point your mouse and go towards em. This takes time, therefore you get hit. Just a point that it is hard to phantom with people since they could go any direction

Stop waking up this thread, that Wind is inexistant

so is the validity of this thread.

Well im sry i dont have the time to play SRO right now and im also lazy to post in this forum

but well Wind exist but he didnt keep his word so ..... off, i can hope only to see some nice vids of this build from the testers !

Im sry.......
Pls dont argue again about builds etc. that make me sick lol
Str Bow, 70:70 Bow, 2:1 Str Bow or whatever...every build has their pro and contra so if you like your char, then keep it

I was looking for a hybird bow discussion and I can't believe I bumped into a 27 pager thesis. Interesting arguments from pro STR bow and Hybrid bow views. I actually started off my bow char before looking into this thread. =)

Background

As a backgrounder, I have the idea of developing this bow char with the balancing thoughts in mind:

Bow do not hit the hardest amongst the weapons available, a higher INT stats is required to balance the char damage (arguably, you might say "no" as the crits play a major part of bow and full STR gogogo)*

* I derive this thought from both pure INT spear and pure SRT Glavie char that I have and just made the conclusion INT = damage, STR = HP/tank. I am NOT a number grinder which does calculations like some of the forum members does

Some HP is desired as bow do not possess the tanking characteristics with the emphasis in INT stats for damage. As such, I have placed my stats as a 2:1 INT hybrid for this char - 74:79 balance, which is around the discussion of the thread

The major advantage for bow is a missile turret a.k.a range. You can plant the char in a high spawn area and effectively clear the radius

Crit is bow char best friend as well as attack rating, i.e. the damage is skewed towards the higher end of the equipment damage

Bow does not have the the shield advantage, ice force is a must in my view, hence the imbue of the char under discussion

Agility is also a must for bow, with inherent weakness in defense, hit and run is the name of the game, hence the sub force of light

The sucky part is major SP farming is required for such build. The bigger bit*ch is actually the cost of equipment that players rip the balls of bow users

Train

The train that I go through is a real pain for this char. The SP requirements is high to master 1 weapon and 2 force tree. Starting off at 1 ice imbue and Anti devil, the char has remained a 9 level gap mostly.

The only exception is when it is 3 - 4 levels away from the next equipment that I lower the gaps to around 5 gaps, i.e. reduce mastery gap to around 5 at mastery lvl 15 (fix to lvl 24) when char is at lvl 20-21 where the next bow is at 24. Same applies to 5 gap at mastery lvl 23 (fix to lvl 32) when char is at lvl 28-29 with the next bow at 32.

At the moment, the char is at lvl 32 at 9 gaps with 40k SP farmed. I foresee that the char will go through another 10 - 15 lvl of farming to make this char work.

I took months to develop this char as I am a casual gamer after work and maybe 3 - 4 sessions of 3 - 6hrs a week. Its a pain, but nonetheless enjoyable to play with. (Which I screamed at botters doing this crap in couple of days - Hand Grind FTW!)

Observations

One on one hits like a bit*ch, good damage

PvE one imbue kill - mostly red mobs (2 - 4 levels above)

Tanking 4 mobs while hitting giants - no issue

Pot consumption - low on HP, ice imbue takes care of mobs as they die before coming in to hit range (100 is enough), 300 MP pots in 1 sitting.

PvP lvl 32 - Hate to tell you this, STR blader is one tough cookie. STR glavie is still manageable, STR bow not a major issue, nuker is a walk over. Also, don't talk about 1 v 1 stand and fight, you are a bow, move buy time and anti devil crit! (Yes, this is a 9 lvl gap hybrid that owns with top gear AND I am NOT here to talk about the world is fair and we do NPC gear fights - sue me)

I use ice and the slow/frost effects are pretty good at current level PvE and PvP. But I was told at high levels effects immunity comes into play. SRO needs balance, effects immunity fcuk up the game

Skills

Bow - Anti-devil, Combo, Hawk, Autumn*, Range Increase and passive. Autumn wind is a sub skill to have before Zerk, which I would use later. Strong bow..... too slow and only an opening move perhaps. You need speed of attack for bow.

Ice - Imbue, Guard, passive - that is what you need. I up walls for PvP and nova - don't need it if you don't want to. Cold wave = waste of time.

Light - all passive (perry + magical), walk (phantom will be a MUST), shout (for finishing, optional) and maybe light nuke.

Might up fire force later for the protection, all SP dependant. So far only the above. Fire or ice is up to you, fire damage > ice, but ice can save loads of HP pots on PvE and interrupt skills PvP.

Gear

SoX, everything can be a normal gear but bow MUST be SoX. If you are not delivering damage, it defeats the purpose of range attack. Flame me, as this is my view of things and bow has never been forgiving in terms of cost.

Protector based. Come to think of it, nothing really touch the char - garment can be good for PvE as it saves cost of MP pots and faster movement. I favour protector as there are some guildies that like to "do me" PvP for the fun of it

Conclusion

Fun build, non cookie cutting, good PvE and so so PvP. Good char to play with to keep couple of free hours entertained. I am here only to share what I am doing in-game, not to throw in any arguments on the topic. If you like it, use it as a reference; if you don't there are 101 builds you can do and just do it.

good luck. Tell me how it comes out when you're a higher level.

Since this thread has been awakened from the dead I figured I would post my experiences with this build
If you search through the posts you will see how I did poorly at lvl32.

LVL 42 Recap:
I am lvl42 (still with the som lvl32bow) now with an 82:82 balance. I have a total of 400hp on my gear and hueksal passive =(just over 4,000Hp) I have a 3 skill gap my main imbue is lightning.

I can kill things now

All people around my lvl that I have pvped have lost. Though I havent fought anyone with a LVL42 sos or better weapon.
I find myself using vigors all of the time while grinding, or pvping.

I have started using the lightning nuke. It does more damage than bezerker arrow, unfortunately it cant crit. I use both bezerker and nuke as area of attack. The lightning nuke actually seems to cover a larger area and tends to deals more damage to the secondary target.

As soon as I turned 42 I grabbed a NPC bow and spear. I found little to no difference in killing speed between them. I thought the nuke would do more damage than a weapon skill, but for both bow and spear they were about equal.

I can understand why for 1vs1 pvp the spear should be better (slightly more damage per hit + hp + the anti nuke skill + stun), but for grinding they are interchangeable. So yeah for close quarter fighting the spear is better, however group pvp might be a different story, I haven’t tried it.

So at lvl 42 I can say this build doesn’t suck, it seems fine. I also have to say it doesn’t seem amazing either. I don’t know any pure str bows so I cant compare.
So as of right now I would say that the damage increase of hybrid is an even trade for hp. No gain or loss.

Ok now at lvl 52.
I have a 9 gap again. I switched to protector. I have over 5,500HP(haven’t dlvled hueksal yet). My balances are above 80:80.
Weapon: 52 SOS+5 bow crit 10, 100% blues.
Protector set: sos pants, sos glove(lvl 52), som hood, and full sos accessories. Everything is +3 and almost 100%blued.

I changed my build so I need a lot more sp now, which is why I am currently farming.
My build is 43ice, 43light, 43pacheon, and 32fire. (remember I have 9 gap)
I plan on maxing both ice and light imbue. Fire will stay at 32 for phys increase buff and status immunity.
I switched to ice imbue because I was dying too often to phys mobs. I have switched to protector since then and that is less of a concern. I still prefer ice imbue for most situations, even though light is noticeably more powerful. Frost nova is also extremely useful.

I do not pvp much, but here is my opinion.
Protector has been a huge help in pvp. However vigors are a must. Crits are the only reason I ever win a fight. Let me repeat that CRITS are the deciding factor just like a pure str bow user. Without crits I can’t kill anything. This means that the strategy is the same between hybrid and pure str. Fight runaway fight runaway, hoping for a good crit or 2. With this in mind, at this time the only benefit of this build is in grinding speed, unique hunting, and maybe the surprise attack.
The only fair fight I have been in has been against a lvl 52 hybrid sword using a sos+4 sword with an almost identical protector set. With gear on she has about 4500HP. She is fire, light, sword also farming so her skills are at 43 just like mine.
I cannot kill her unless I get a crit on strongbow. A crit on antidevil is not enough. If she just stands there She won’t die unless I get a strong bow crit followed up by another skill. Remember with her shield if she blocks the second skill she will pot up. So I can’t kill her but she can kill me. It takes her about15-20 sec. to kill me when I fight back, and freeze her.
If I equip her shield and just stand there she can’t kill me.
So if I had a shield it would be a pot war without it I loose.
After fighting her I wonder if I should go sword instead of bow. I think I am to hybrid to be a good sword.

*Note her build is unbelievibly strong she killed a lvl 52 pure str fire glavie who had a sos+5 glavie and 0 skill gap. She won 8 out of 10 fights. and had a pot war with a lvl 55 blader with a 3 gap and +5 lvl52 blade.
Both opponents had atleast 3 pieces of sos garms, if not full sos sets.
So......... being killed by her doesn't mean I will be killed by everyone.

If the new skills come out and I get stun, knock back and mana shield I think my build would be very good. Lets just hope that happens before I die from old age.

Nice Reports Glavie, interesting Reading for me, Can I suggest a Change of Tactics on the Imbues ?

I have thought in great deal about different imbues. Currently I am satisfied with my choice. 90% of the time I use ice imbue, the other 10% I use lightning for the cool sound it makes.

If I find my self using lightning more and more, then I will probably level fire. Currently I do little to no pvp and jobbing.

Also most people who pvp and have ice imbue try it first to see if there opponent is immune. If the aren't immune then they continue with ice imbue. The people I have fought have not been ice immune so I should have the advantage.

Thank god for cursed hearts, this is the one thing I can change if I change my mind.
I will be done farming at the end of the week, I will do some pvp and if there is anything interesting to say I will post it.

That's very simmilar to what I did.
Have had cold imbue until level 42. Farmed at the red scorps with cold imbue. Damage was pretty low, and switched to fire now:
Current masteries:
58 pacheon
58 fire
50 cold
54 lightning

I'm waiting to farm at the nachals at level 72 with a 9 level gap. I'm wearing armor now, with an average 75% pimp. Have a level 56 + 5 bow and 60+5 in storage. My balance is 81:80
In PvE, I'm doing fine; but grinding with the bow. I can 1 - vision Penons, so that's where i'm grinding. All I do is:
Vision one mob, Steel + Combo another one, Berzerker + Combo (or sometimes Wave) a third mob. And repeat.

I'm smashing INT at the moment. Firewall -> Vision -> Steel and that's usually enough for spear users. For STR users, I do like: Firewall -> Vision -> Steel -> Berzerker -> Combo -> Nova -> Phantom -> Steel -> Berzerker -> combo (and repeat until opponent dead)

I would advise having the fire imbue over thunder/cold for the extra damage.

I know how you feel I have recently spent alot of time thinking about this, been playing for 6 months now and still only lvl 36 on my only char. Recently I have been spending alot of time hunting Thieves, and for all you "pro's" who say it can't be doneim str HYB Bow and @ 26% 1st leveland will get lvl 2 before 40!!!!!

Ok so here's my ten pence worth, But first lets clear up a few things as a Hybrid.
1. Dont use Black Hawk, We are Crit players about 4/10 of my kills are 1 hit cirts in PvP
2. Bow Is most Important BUT SOX ISNT !!!! Bad Crit and or Attk Ratings on SOX bows, and or bad stats can mean its just not worth it, better of spending time looking for a good Stat bow and pimp it yourself.
3. SOS Gear is Prot, Very Important you can get a whole ProtSet for the Price of a SOS Bow, and the return is much stronger. The Increase when these are pimped on your Hp is so much more important .
4. You Need at Least 2 Imbues to Kill in Tanking situations.


Ok now thats sorted. MY IMBUE THOUGHTS

1. Fire is Strongest of the imbues and thus should be Used as your Main in PvP (Max Its Imbue)
2. I use Both Fire and Ice Shields we are Hybrids there fore neither Great at defending in Either Situation (Max The Shields)
3. Light Is Essential for jobbing Esp as a Hunter (if im helping a 3* I want the npc attacking me not my traders horse) Used in combo with bezerker Arrow You get good transfer Only level to first book.
4.Ice Imbue Now this I have thought about a bit and yes the plan as always is to freeze to guy hoping he aint immune in PvP. But here is a bit of silly logic, to increase our chances of freezing we use Combo* but its a very weak attk basically the only point to this is to freeze them. ThereFore if our greatest chances of freezing them are multiplide in a combo attk only should we not only use it in this case ? So for me again I only want the first 3 Pages of the first Book ( I have alot of Deleveling to prove this but will let you know on the final outcome)
5. Grass Walk Let me just say this people who think grass walk is essentia l for bowmen aren't thinking Logically, Your the Bow MAN YOU DO NOT GET CAUGHT FIGHTING SOME ONE UP CLOSE, Your Should always start from a position where you can either see them and they not you on a hill or from a safe distance in PvP where you can at least get your Combo Off. First Page of Phantom and Just Barely !



Well thats my rant over, anyone has a Problem with it come to Eldorado get your lvl 36-42 char and bring it.

So Glavie, uve done farming so mb now u could share experience now?? I can't wait ur post here anymore

Ok guys last week I say Wind. It took a while but then I thought : WTF this is Wind the 80:80 bow build guy, so we had a little chat. He's build is unique-killing-machine. If you're on Aege you know what I mean, Wind killed yarkan 1327652376 times. Too bad he is a USA player so usually it's very late when I see him.

btw, I also saw him pvping. No offense but he sucks when it comes down to pvp

That is absolutelly normal. The primary strength of the 80:80 archer is the PvE not the PvP.