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Thanks to Da_Realest for giving a really good argument.

Bow is not meant to be a 1v1 character, it's as simple as that. It has range so it doesn't need to get up close and personal, else it wouldn't have range. It's common sense ffs.

I guess im really tired to hear that...
Bow isnt a 1v1 character... ( who cares, did u every saw this build in action ? no )

but nvm anything else except those ppl who need to post that bow isnt a pvp weapon or that bow is a str weapon ?

Dude way to hijack the thread. He offers some valuable opinions about archers and just mentions a teensy bit about how they are support. And then you have to rape him in the head with all this history and whatnot. Seriously if you just couldn't hold yourself to express your knowledge, do it in PMs or go to some war history forum or the off topic lounge or something. This was a topic about archers which i actually found to be enlightening, until i got to the part about real life war history.

...Yes, actually. I'm a pure STR bower, level 53 with lightning, fire, and maxed Pacheon skills on a 4gap. I have farmed over 20k sp with the weapon over the last month and have considerable pvp experience. What do you have?

They key asset of bow is range. You do the biggest amount of damage possible to the enemy before they get the chance to hit back. Because of this, criticals and attack rating are essential. It isn't about what balance gives you the best defence against all builds, it's about what build gives the highest hitting archer - and that's pure str. Evidence:

@Ell thx for ur support against those who dont really know what im trying to do with this guide/thread about bow....i was nearly to do this ->

ok at the beginning before i post this guide/thread about bow, i thought it would be a great idea to share with u guys my exp about bow...
i thought u guys would take this guide as another way/chance to make a good bow char and i thought some ppl would be so clever to see that bow is not a pure weapon... but i guess i was wrong (only some ppl did that)
i posted this thread to give u guys a chance to make a good bow char and i thought i would take this chance and give this build a try or simething like that....
but what happened ? some ppl blame me for my guide and make me really tired to post here.... i was starting with this face to post all my exp. about bow here but now im really tired and mad
if u guys dont believe me or think that im another noob and talking shit then pls dont post here just ignor me... dont blame me for trying to give u guys a way of making a bow

@FK47.... i thought i posted that already... oh man i see another guy who doesnt read everything carefully... but ok
i have a lvl 70 fully farmed full str fire/light/cold remember ? i play over 1 year now... i also have a lvl 52 full int bow but i quit that char... find early out that bow is not a int weapon why ? bow dont have a shield and the mag attack is lower than a spear and the crit sux....so simple answer ..

btw i think i dont need to compare my balls with ur balls.... i dont need to show off how high my lvl is or something like that but nvm... anything else mister FK47 ?

OMG... shall i quit posting here and close this thread ? is that what u want ? to show me that bow should go pure ? if u always look on weapon skill than EVERY weapon is a PURE STR weapon u cant compare that man sword skill = bicheon = blade skill.... so wtf ? both weapon supposed to be str weapon right ? oh yeah ... u owned me... i sux...
yea bow is a range weapon but pure str = low damage why ? phy damage are ALWAYS weak so u cant either compare that....

So pure int bow sucks because the magic attack is too low and the criticals suck. So how in hell will making a 1:1 hybrid fix either of those.

oh man.... would it make sense to make a int bow which mag attack power is lower than a int spear and which also the HP is lesser than a spear user ? noo... so wtf are u talking about ?

1:1 build is usually that u point all ur lvl up points 1:1... that means u still have a higher phy balance than mag.... right ? thats why ur mag damage sux but ur phy damage is still ok (crit )
but wtf... u cant also make a bow char which based on crit hits to survive.... that is lame and weak... so my 1:1 build is the 70:70 % balance build u have to put ur points on a special way... u make ur char based on ur balance.... a 80:80 build has lots of hp ( not compared to a full str glavier) and also high damage... (which make ur char not based on crit) btw some posted already a calculater for the HP with the 80:80 build but nvm ppl never read everything carefully..... so would u have a str bow which based on crit hits to win ? or would u have a strong bow which still have a nice crit but which can kill also withouth crit huh ?... lame..... think twice before u post something.... but now im tired of u ppl who seems to know nothing... or dont have a logic way of thinking... i go to bed cya .... u can post but i answer later .... thx to those ppl who blame my hard work on this guide.. thx u very much

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You said, quote:

i also have a lvl 52 full int bow but i quit that char... find early out that bow is not a int weapon why ? bow dont have a shield and the mag attack is lower than a spear and the crit sux

You're under the illusion that having a 1:1 build will increase damage, increase defence, and the crits will be 'ok'.

In reality, you'll have half the magical defence of a pure int, and half the physical defence of a pure str. Crits will be nearly half the power of those a pure str deals out. You'll be ripped apart by possibly every build. I ask you to name one build where this 1:1 archer of yours would win outright, excluding pure int archer, obviously.

OMFG how the ..... carefully do u read those post here huh ?
i posted already that if u need a proof LOG IN the server aege and ask Wind... he pwns all str and int bows... also str glaviers... what the ..... man read the posts MORE CAREFULLY ... omg...

and i also posted the math think about crit hits and attack power...oh man
need proof go aege ask Wind see him pvp...
after u see him pvp (btw he is 70+ and has 81:80...)
come here again and tell me again that u are still right... i wanna hear it again...omg i never met this.... cant read posts and starting to discuss


no comment !

I can't see this build being any good at anything. This 'Wind' person must be one hell of a player to make up for his awful build. I've said my part so I'll leave this to more experienced archers to explain it to you...

He tried to justify his statements about the game by giving false information about real life. If someone does not call BS on it, people who don't know any better will read something like that, take it as fact, regurgitate it later, and then the cycle continues.

@fk47 : er do u really read the post?....

1) its not magical def or physical def, its about dmg man. do u read the calculations?. event if hybrid crit is low..its still higher dmg then pure str man.

2) the problem here i think is somebody maybe wanted to support their pure str char..but then..we have brains..we use calculations everyday to live a better life, so i quit aggree with jadekiss facts.

3) we are affraid to make changes in char building bcuz of the facts it is a time consuming, and we don see alot of new build around...and this is not our job. luckily jadekiss have given us some explanations and ideas, and it is based on his experience also.

4) i think that this post will not be over until we get some exclusive proof maybe in form of video on the dmg dealt by pure str and hybrid. jadekiss if u were someday to finish ur build, or just halfway about it, pls post some video on dmg for pure str and dmg for hybrid. im sure if u can do this jadekiss, the argument about who deals the most dmg will be over,after that, maybe this pure str players will argue about survivalbility then.

thanks for the build info Jadekiss

if I'm still around in this game after my gt runs out, I will start to try out this build

have an archer at lvl 17 that has more or less the same balance, so not much tweaking to do

the only thing that kept me from playing an archer is that everyone have always been saying pure this and pure that about it. never felt you'll get the true potential out of the build by doing so

but at the same time I never really met any good hybrid bow build so understand why pure str is the common way to go

would really apreciate if you posted some archer skills that are usefull, because my only archer experience goes up to lvl 17

if not here then maybe in a pm

@Jadekiss: u did a great job

To those who didnt understand, in most game, archers (also known as ranger) are the most damage dealers. So damage is the most important to archers, not the defence. Pure str will give u much HP, but what is it for? tanking? 1vs1 and die? So increasing Int will give u extra damage. That's what archer meant to be.
But the pure int archer is not fit in a combat, due to the high damage, but also low HP, so that u are the 1st person that the enemies will target.
Pure str/int not fit => logically hybrid, but well balanced

Everyone here knows how to diss the build but has anyone been hit in the cap by this build?

no one dared to make a 1:1 hybrid thats why you dont see any owning, although one did named Wind of course. Just go to Aege.

btw.

with 69/70 or 70/69 stats for that matter 80:80 is not possible.

You would need about 74/68 or so (not quite sure) to get 80:80

... 82:80 - your making me laugh, your full of shit.

Gonna tell you now and get it in your little head.

This build is insanely good in job wars, but dont flatter your self this build is TRASH in 1v1 cape fight.

With maxed alchemy+flag you can become
80-86 starting from 69-70
Or 81-86 staring from 70-69
Play with some stats and 82-80 is possible (not easy, but possible)

At lvl 80-90 1 on 1 is boring anyway.
No new skills > lower damage as you would do with new skills > easy to pot > boring in 1on1.

FULL STR GIVES THE MOST DAMAGE THROUGH CRITS.

It's like talking to a brick wall, good god...

Go on and make this build if you must, I'll be ready to laugh when it flops.

@longlost... yeah the first person who really understand my way of thinking....
i wonder why ppl dont really read all my post carefully before they start to blame me lol o.O but ok...
u just give out my exp. nothing else if no1 accept it then good leave it and go on with ur str bow.... i will see that u waste ur time but its ur choice

@Alfred np... i hope u understand all facts in this build and follow the steps... than u cant do anything wrong
good luck and happy pwning later its a long way and hard work but u will love ur bow char

@NuclearSilo thx...and yeah the next person who understand what im talking about pure str archer.... high hp + low damage... based on crit.... bad luck = dead ...so that cant be a ranger who is only based on crit... archer need power ! and btw i need to say there are also better build for a hybrid.... but this is a first way for a good bower i know that cause i play so long now... but every1 is afraid to try something out...

@dvk89 wtf are u talking ? i posted already that u cant always get 70:70 but 69:70 or 70:69 sooo STFU AND READ MY POSTS i said also that u need equipment with INT and STR BONUS to get 80:80 OR HIGHER.... omg another noob who cant read that pissed me off here always to repeat my own posts 3+ times....
your head is full of shit noob

@Takolin haha yeah see that dvk89 ? YOU ARE WRONG.... but nvm

anything else ?

@FK47 flops ? go on aege and make ur full str char and let u pwned by Wind... and i laugh

You little shit i was talking with maxed alchemy not base of naked.

I know what im talking about you idiot as my pacheon is lv69.

And my stats are actually 69/70 naked.

Im mainly spear but also use bow moves for fun... and NO it does NOT own in 1v1 pvp, but i will tell you it DOES shine in group fights.

You havent even played this build yet and your going to judge me someone who has it? omg, kay think what you want.

er actually jadekiss have a build like urs dvk9?. well from u post i can undestand that u really admit that this build does insanly good in job wars.
ok thats really great.

another fact is i also really think that bower isnt for 1v1 fight face to face. its about running and hitting. if u were saying that a bower cant 1v1 bcuz he cant stand infront of enemy (face to face) and endure the punishment, then ur facts is true.

for me playing a bower is get maximum dmg..and then play hit and run.so the hybrid is just suited for that. and archer is not a tanker. he is a damage dealer and should play from a far or hit and run tactics.

this hybrid maybe have enough hp to survive a few hits, before he runs back at start hitting again, and with a high dmg.

the main point of this build maybe to get the highest dmg perhit possible, survive with enough hp and magic def from nuker, the rest is just hit and run. tq

lol hmm i think i posted enough here and discussing enough.... but nvm :/
thx for all ur posting etc. but i think im pissed off now to write here again...
nvm i hope u all take this as a chance and a good way to make a bower... you can thx me later if u find out that this bow build is kinda amazing good luck and have fun

btw if some1 have a question i will answer it....

As far as i see theres only one word to describe this build, Theorycraft. If u ever played any RTS ull kno what theorycraft is, which is something that sounds like a workable strategy but when used in a game it doesnt work out at all.

As far as i see theres no evidence shown this is the "best bow" build, as in videos showing how this build works out in pvp but just mathmatical calculations, trying to "max out" the amount of dmg. The build says it owns pure int builds and pure str builds but theres no evidence to back this up.

Every other point i wanted to make DaRealist has already made, especially the videos of the pure str archer. If u noticed in those video most kills that archer made was on crits.

no comment at all....
i think i posted enough now to all those who want to take this chance as a bower..
if u dont want...ok ur choice =) happy grinding and good luck
if any1 has a question then post here i will answer !

Berserk arrow or Strong bow for this build? Also should I get demon arrow?

@taintofsleep take both.... beserk arrow is vey strong.. but strong bow is also strong but in pvp only a first hit because its very slow... but in PvM its very good also PvP as a First Hitter

I just want to point out that Jadekiss has his/her point.

In GNGWC, the champion team's build are both 1:1 hybrids Spear and S/S. Still think that pure STR/INT are the best builds? Rethink again.

Feedback from the champs are that 1:1 build, they can hit at their hardest in the shortest time.

Heres the link to the interview:
http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm/loadFeature/912

Cheers

P.S. I am not saying that 1:1 hybrid is the best build but it is the build that won the Tournament.

@cerus thx u very much for your post =)
btw. im a boy
yeah just read the post/interview from cerus's post then u will see what i supposed to tell you here... full str have their good and bad aspects but its not the best choice always...
hybrid are almost the true chars... but notm uch ppl tried a char which based on balance
so i hope you have a better ay oh thinking now...like that pure chars are not ALWAYS the best =)

thx

wow then now its proven then...quickest highest dmg. tq cerus for the proves and jadekiss for the topic starter, may the new generations of sro players will be born now..

But its not easy to make a char which based on balance ...why ? because silkroad is a time consuming game and if u always try to make a build and it failed then u waste ur time thats why lots of ppl go pure but pure chars are also good but there will be always some1 who is better
so this guide is just a help =)

btw np i just share with u my exp. nothing else

Me and a friend have been talking about this and heres what we figured about this build and im only talking about pure builds because this build says it will own pure builds

Vs pure ints: What is the one thing they fear more than anything else? CRITS. This is because they have pretty low health due to a low phy balance. Now which build does the most dmg w/ crits? pure strs. Now lets look at pvp between an archer and a pure int nuker. Normally vs pure strs nukers have the advantage of range however archers have a LONGER range than nukers due to the devil arrow skill that increases shot range, so nukers vs archers lose one of their main advantages, range. This means an archer can usually get the first hit in on a nuker in pvp and if they use an Anti Devil skill, they have a good chance to get a crit in on that or an arrow combo. Now as i said before pure ints fear crits, especially a pure strs crit because 1 pure str crit or a double crit can mean death. An archers high crit w/ anti devil + its range supiriority probably makes me consider a pure str archer the best build vs nukers.

Now lets look at the hybrid build u proposed. Sure it has the range advantage also however the crits wont hit as hard as a pure str, meaning most likely if u do crit on an anti devil bow, the pure int will still live and probably be in nuking range when this happens. Unlike a pure str you dont have as much hp to absorb the nukes and w/o an overwhelming crit factor so the nuker has a good chance to kill when in range.

The point im trying to make here is crit = life and death of an archer

Vs pure strs: This alone for a pure str bow is kinda iffy and requires the use of skill, as in keeping your distance and such. Bladers have the advantage of block + KD making it hard to get a hit in and Glaives have the advantage of extra health and stun/knockback which can cancel moves also. Now you might be thinking what do bows have? once again crits. However a pure str will usually have the same amount of health or higher than u but if u can keep ur distance and get in good crits you have a chance of winning. This requires skills and if u stand in one spot ull probably get killed. Yet again, like DaRealest said, this isnt much of a 1v1 build in the first place.

Now how do u expect to do better w/ a hybrid build. True you might be doing more dmg per hit however most likely a pure str can handle these hits, either by blocking em or KDing or stunning/knockback to buy some pot time. Its pretty much the same strategy for a pure str that they use for a nuker, which is try to disable them and get crits in because like i said a pure strs crits hit hard. A hybrid bow would do more dmg per hit, however it has no KD, no block, no stun, no knockback so theres no way they can disable an opponet unless they use the ice imbue however most people at high lvls are ice immune (me included). Also the hybrid bow will most likely do less dmg than a nuker and the crits dont hit hard at all so most likely a pure str will be able to absorb the dmg and kill the hybrid bow, either on a crit in sss for a glavie or crit on the KD/stabs for a blader

@Jadekiss: when i mentioned this build is just theorycraft, u pretty much ignored that point. Can you please give me some evidence that this build is not theorycraft.

One last point i wanted to make. If you notice there are probably more pure builds at higher lvl than hybrid builds and theres a reason for it.