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 Post subject: [Guide] Pure Str Bow.
PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 5:42 pm 
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Why I’m making this guide?
I’m making a pure str bow guide, because all the guides in guides and tutorials are outdated.

Have fun with reading this guide.

Chapters:

Chapter 1: Why making a pure str bow?
Chapter 2: What skills do I need?
Chapter 3: What equipment should I use?
Chapter 4: Some Video's of pure str bowers.


Chapter 1: Why making a pure str bow?

What is pure str?
Pure str means, you put all your stat points (which you gain when you lvl up) in str.

Why pure str?
A bow build is based on criticals, and as you maybe know. How more str, how higher the criticals are. That's because there are less ppl who use armor at the caps (Thx to raphaell666). Also Str criticals more times, because of the skills which have criticals increasea like Anti Devil Bow Series and Strong Bow-Craft.

Why bow?
- Bow is the fastest str-grinding build, because of the ranged attacks.
- Bow is a real good Unique-Hunt build, also because of the ranged attacks and criticals.
- At lvl 73, bow gets 5 Arrow Combo. Which gives Knockback, usefull in critical sithuations.
- At lvl 76, bow gets Strong Bow-Craft. Which gives shotrange increase, critical chance increase and the probability of stun.

Chapter 2: What skills do I need?
Now we have the build. But what masteries should I use?
In my opinion pure str needs: Pacheon 90 (this is your weapon masterie), ice 0/30 (whatever you want), light 90 (for speed increase and parry ratio) and fire 90 (gives magical defence and phy dmg). This is just my opinion.
So:

Pacheon:
Anti Devil Bow Series: Maxed. Gives critical increase.
Arrow Combo Series: Maxed. Gives Knockback at lvl 73.
Hawk Training Series: Only 1st and 3rd are necessary in my opinion. Increases attack rating.
Break Heaven Arrow Series: Maxed. Increases shotrange.
Explosion Arrow Series: Maxed. 3rd book is a second strong bow.
Strong Bow Series: Maxed. Most powerfull skill of bow.
Mind Bow Series: Only needed if you want to get mobbed.
Passive: Maxed. Increases attack rating.
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Light:
Piercing Force Series: Maxed. Increases mag. dmg, and as you know imbue is a mag. dmg.
Wind Walk Series: Maxed. Increases speed, and gives teleport.
Concentration Series: Maxed. Increases parry ratio.
Passive: Maxed: Increases parry ratio.
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Fire:
Fire Force Series (Imbue): Maxed. Strongest imbue.
Fire Shield Series: Maxed. Gives ability to be immune. Required Item: Shield.
Flame Body Series: Maxed. Increases phy. dmg.
Fire Protection Series: Maxed. Increases mag. def.
Passive: Maxed: Increases phy. dmg.
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- This build will cost 362,182 Skill Points for the 80 Cap!!!
- This build will cost 646,964 Skill Points for the 90 Cap!!!

- With a 0 Gap from lvl 1 till 80 you will get 128,233 Skill Points.
- With a 0 Gap from lvl 1 till 90 you will get 219,861 Skill Points.


Chapter 3: What equipment should I use?
Now we have the build and the skills. But what equipment should we take?

Weapon:
Since you are bow I suggest you to take a bow. First image is an 8D Bow (80 Cap) and second image is a 9D Bow (90 Cap)
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Gear:
What gear should we take? Before we decide, here’s some info about gears.

Armor:
Has high phy. def. and low mag. def.
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Protector:
Is balanced between phy. and mag. def.
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Garment:
Low phy. def and high mag. def.
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Because you have a lack of mag. def. I suggest you to take Garment, but you can also choose for Protector.

Chapter 4: Some Video's of pure str bowers.

First: UnDutchable (who doesn't know him):
[UnDutchable] Pure STR Bow PvP

Second: ___Jv___ with Legend I PvP part 1:
Legend I PvP

More Video's will be add later.
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If I forgot something, please say that to me :)
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Attention!!!
Thx go out to raphaell666 from SRF for all his great tips. Thank you.

-VeniVidiVici


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 Post subject: Re: [Guide] Pure Str Bow.
PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 6:06 pm 
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Why pure str?
A bow build is based on criticals, and as you maybe know. How more str, how higher the criticals are. Some of the skills even have criticals increase like Anti Devil Bow Series and Strong Bow-Craft.

Well, critical attacks are calculated by double your physical damage, and adding the mag damage from imbue. All builds can do critical attacks that hit the same: Barotix did a experiment (if im not mistaken) and he proved that this game is so perfect that when attacking enemies with 0 def (or so), the crit from all full int, full str, and hybrids would do the same damage. Probably the full strs usually hit higher when criting because most ppl has low phy defense, its very rare to see someone at the cap using armor. I think that this is why full strs are said to be the ones that do the higher crits. I'm not completely sure.

Just some suggestions:
  • Try making the guide more colourful (but not too much). It seems too "rough" as it is now.
  • You could maybe talk a little bit about using force in this build, because, afaik, it looks like that this build can be very strong with force mastery. Maybe you can ask for info from MrFudge, because if im not mistaken he uses/used a bow char with force.
  • Try adding some links to videos from full str bowers. Its very important (at least imo).

Just my opinions, hope I helped.

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Hehe, but mobs dont have 0 def :) So i think a pure str will crit more then a hybrid or int.

I'll add those points tomorrow. xD. I'm tired now :P


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PostPosted: Tue May 06, 2008 7:00 pm 
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[SW]UnDutchabIe wrote:
Hehe, but mobs dont have 0 def :) So i think a pure str will crit more then a hybrid or int.

I'll add those points tomorrow. xD. I'm tired now :P

Its just that maybe, if you are fighting someone full str with a good armor, it might happen that a full str would crit less than a full int on it. Just a supposition.

What I am trying to say is that your crit will vary only according to your enemies defense, not to the fact of you being a full str, a int or a hybrid. Well, hum, anyways, str based builds will most of the time crit more, so.... :P

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cool guide :D
now i really know that i gonna make a full str bow , got bored of my lvl 37 wiz/bard :cry:

really thanks :D

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raphaell666 wrote:
[SW]UnDutchabIe wrote:
Hehe, but mobs dont have 0 def :) So i think a pure str will crit more then a hybrid or int.

I'll add those points tomorrow. xD. I'm tired now :P

Its just that maybe, if you are fighting someone full str with a good armor, it might happen that a full str would crit less than a full int on it. Just a supposition.

What I am trying to say is that your crit will vary only according to your enemies defense, not to the fact of you being a full str, a int or a hybrid. Well, hum, anyways, str based builds will most of the time crit more, so.... :P


After reading it twice I finally get what you wanna say xD. Well I'll change it. Maybe now, maybe later. :wink:


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[SW]UnDutchabIe wrote:
Fire:
Fire Shield Series: Maxed. Gives ability to be immune for statuses.


You might want to add you need to carry a shield around with you when ever you want to use this skill.

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Cheeze wrote:
[SW]UnDutchabIe wrote:
Fire:
Fire Shield Series: Maxed. Gives ability to be immune for statuses.


You might want to add you need to carry a shield around with you when ever you want to use this skill.


You can read that in the skill :P Required Item: Shield :wink: , but I'll add it.


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At the "colourful" word I said: I think you should use like standards of colors, use like red for titles, blue for subtitles, something like that :P And avoid using colors that are too light, such as yellow, light green and so on; they are too annoying to read. And if your guide has more than 3-4 diferent colors in it, it starts to seem like childish (depending on how they are used, and on the extent of the guide).
For further tips, if you are insterested enough on improving your guide, try taking a look here: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=83895, it might help you.

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raphaell666 wrote:
[SW]UnDutchabIe wrote:
Hehe, but mobs dont have 0 def :) So i think a pure str will crit more then a hybrid or int.

I'll add those points tomorrow. xD. I'm tired now :P

Its just that maybe, if you are fighting someone full str with a good armor, it might happen that a full str would crit less than a full int on it. Just a supposition.

What I am trying to say is that your crit will vary only according to your enemies defense, not to the fact of you being a full str, a int or a hybrid. Well, hum, anyways, str based builds will most of the time crit more, so.... :P


A pure str will alway crit higher than a pure int or hybrid str/int because he has more phy attack power..Even if the opponent wears armor, the pure str still has more phy dmg that gets doubled than the hybrid str/int or pure int.

Guide is not really long, but it looks alright..I'm just wondering why on hell are you making a bower guide XD

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whehe, as I said:
[SW]UnDutchabIe wrote:
Why I’m making this guide?
I’m making a pure str bow guide, because all the guides in guides and tutorials are outdated.


and because I'm making a pure str bowman atm.


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But if you never made a bow char, how do you know what's best for them? :P

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Well, I'm always looking for guids on the internet. And I take info from that guids. And the best things of guids I use in this. I also search on sro.net :P


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I'm just playin' with ya, but if your thread is made from all kind of guides, you should give credit.

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some things are taken by other guids, but i dont know from which xD. There's also info about pure str bow what i know by myself.


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[SW]XMoshe wrote:
A pure str will alway crit higher than a pure int or hybrid str/int because he has more phy attack power..Even if the opponent wears armor, the pure str still has more phy dmg that gets doubled than the hybrid str/int or pure int.

You are wrong. In theory, the crit from ints and strs would be the same. You are excluding the damage coming from imbue.
IF the target had a lot of phy defense, then the crit from pure strs would lose a lot of damage, while the crit from the int would not.

Read through these if you still cant understand:
Barotix wrote:
CLOT wrote:

also i dun think pure str and int crit the same dmg, i saw in vid pure int spears critting only abit more than their normal attack while str crits 2x dmg




I noticed that as well so I tested it.

Say the normal physical dmg for pure int is 200 and just imbue with no physical dmg is 800. The total dmg would be 1000 and the crit dmg would be 1200.

Say the normal physical dmg for pure str is 500 and the imbue with no physical dmg is 200. The total dmg is 700 and the crit dmg is 1200.

Thats completely isolated.

You see only physical dmg doubles magical dmg doesn't double. It is stable:

So for the pure str in question his magical dmg stays 200.
For the pure int in questions his magical dmg stays 800.
When a crit is done the physical dmg is doubled no matter what, pure int or pure str: Physical dmg is doubled.

so the Physical dmg crit for the pure int would be 400 and the physical dmg crit for the pure str would be 1000. The added imbue for pure int gives it a total of 1200 crit and the added imbue for pure str gives it a total of 1200 crit. Doesn't take much to test this.

The thing is there is an illusion of pure str critting higher, when the crit is the same (2x) and because the way Joymax balanced the game the dmg output is the same (when crit).

500*2 = 1000 + 200 imbue = 1200 crit
200*2 = 400 + 800 imbue = 1200 crit.

1200 - 700 = 500
1200 - 1000 = 200

Its an illusion of criting more :)

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@ Barotix

I have already sort of thought crit calculating was like this, but still a lot of people dont/wont believe this.
Probably because they note a diference in crit damage on a battle between a hybrid/full int and a full str. I think that as crit damage is based on doubling phy damage, the crit that the full str will do will be higher because his enemy's phy def is lower than his own; therefore his enemy will crit lower on him, because of the full str higher phy defense. I'm not sure this is correct, but I really think it is.


The example I used was on a mangyang. Mangyang is the best test subject because it removes unwanted test variables such as defense and physical/magical balances. The basic principle behind crit is:

(Physical dmg * 2) + (Imbue)

When against a player this same principle is put into play, but your dmg is offset by their gear and their balance. Which is why people don't hit the same dmg throughout the game and why you see different builds hit different against other builds.

I think it has to do with Physical Balance: Magical Balance Ratio as well as Physical Def: Magical Def Ratio, this changes the damage. It also has to do with what your atk is mainly based in, magical or physical.

EDIT: and yes, I came to that same conclusion.

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Over all a pretty decent guide. Just one thing to add to the bottom

Total Sp Required at 80 cap: 340,248 SP

I was gonna measure it for 90 cap but the evidence shows that lightning is a much better imbue for 90 cap so you might wanna change this guide after legend 3.

I'm not really going to use this guide because I know it won't be useful for me when the 90 cap does come, but for now it's a really nice guide. Images would help though =)

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Over all a pretty decent guide. Just one thing to add to the bottom

Total Sp Required at 80 cap: 340,248 SP

I was gonna measure it for 90 cap but the evidence shows that lightning is a much better imbue for 90 cap so you might wanna change this guide after legend 3.

I'm not really going to use this guide because I know it won't be useful for me when the 90 cap does come, but for now it's a really nice guide. Images would help though =)

I cant understand why light imbue would be better than fire imbue.

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raphaell666 wrote:
I cant understand why light imbue would be better than fire imbue.


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Updated again, thx for the info :D


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[SW]UnDutchabIe wrote:
Updated again, thx for the info :D

Wow, really good improvement... Looks a lot better now :P

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thx :D, I think it looks much better now too, thx for all your info :D


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raphaell666 wrote:
[SW]XMoshe wrote:
A pure str will alway crit higher than a pure int or hybrid str/int because he has more phy attack power..Even if the opponent wears armor, the pure str still has more phy dmg that gets doubled than the hybrid str/int or pure int.

You are wrong. In theory, the crit from ints and strs would be the same. You are excluding the damage coming from imbue.
IF the target had a lot of phy defense, then the crit from pure strs would lose a lot of damage, while the crit from the int would not.


Those numbers are made up, it depends on gear/skill lvl etc etc..Pure str's crit higher than pure ints or hybrid str/int...

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[SW]XMoshe wrote:
Those numbers are made up, it depends on gear/skill lvl etc etc..Pure str's crit higher than pure ints or hybrid str/int...

Ok, ok. I wont argue with you anymore. Never mind.

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Well, i think critical works like this:

Lets say u are a pure str. u hit 1200 with a weapon skill, without using imbue. when u use imbue, u hit 1400. thus u hit 200 more with imbue. when u crit without using imbue, u will hit 2400. but when u hit a crit with imbue, u hit 2600, not 2800, because the dmg of the imbue isnt effected through a crit.

Now lets say u are pure int. with a weapon skill, u hit 200, without using imbue. with imbue u hit 1200, so u hit 1k more with imbue. when u crit, with imbue and wep skill, u will hit 1400. reason being, crit only effects physical dmg.

so pure str will do more dmg with a crit.

BTW nice guide :D. maybe u can post how this build will do in pve and pvp and wat to do in different situations. also, pros and cons against other builds will always be nice :D

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Read the quotes from Barotix on my post, please.

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Read the quotes from Barotix on my post, please.

u are forgetting that imbue only hits alot lower than a weapon skill on a pure str. thus same on a pure int. look at my calcutlations plz :).

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u are forgetting that imbue only hits alot lower than a weapon skill on a pure str. thus same on a pure int. look at my calcutlations plz :).

Are you sure you read barotix quotes? He did those calculations on a mangyang. You did your calculations where? The best way of testing this is on mangyangs as they have negligible def. And we cant make up numbers to make calculations.

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All i have too say is really great guide.

I'm making a Rogue/Bard atm.. But thinking of following this guide too make a fun character,( Since i like both Chinese and Euro. )

I'll let ya know how it goes hehe ^^,

Take care 8)

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