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 Post subject: [GUIDE] Rogue/warlock
PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 8:57 pm 
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i would really like some comment.
Enjoy :love:

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Rogue/warlock in action:

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http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=OIfRtM3COkc
http://nl.youtube.com/watch?v=OP3My8gDe ... re=related

Sorry if i made some typo's

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 Post subject: Re: [GUIDE] Rogue/warlock
PostPosted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 9:37 pm 
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I've edited your topic title, to make it follow the usual guide pattern, and I've moved it to the appropriate section: Guides and Tutorials.

Thank you for posting.

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 Post subject: Re: [GUIDE] Rogue/warlock
PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:57 am 
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Nice guide but need bit updating.. Few typos + more info about the skills mostly about warlock skills, what they do and when to use them.

Guide starts like BANG straight to the pvp, u sould type something bout ur self, ur gaming experience, or why did u create this guide, who would be needing this and so on..

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 Post subject: Re: [GUIDE] Rogue/warlock
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Interesting guide. I noticed that the 1st degree SOS weapons have 9th degree pictures ^^. I think you should expand the Video section a bit and give a hint to how much SP is required. Other than that, a few typos but it is looking good!


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 Post subject: Re: [GUIDE] Rogue/warlock
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Thnx for the comments and those information ! :D
i'll do my very best but i am kinda busy last 3 weeks. :O
i'll see what i can do.

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I noticed that the 1st degree SOS weapons have 9th degree pictures ^^.


it was just an example ... :P

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 Post subject: Re: [GUIDE] Rogue/warlock
PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:17 pm 
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Fix the spelling please.
It looks nice anyway

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 Post subject: Re: [GUIDE] Rogue/warlock
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I calculated the build at home, I'll post the required sp when I get back ^_^

Guide looks descent in what to get for warlock, but no descriptions of skills etc.

Also warrior is not the lowest dmg dealer in the game (maybe 1h). Warrior/warlock is not a hybrid build it's pure str just as rogue/warlock.

Oh, and even a rogue/warlock build just sucks without xbow.

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 Post subject: Re: [GUIDE] Rogue/warlock
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why skip division? its good

and i cant really agree on the statement, rogue/cleric makes no sense

only with a cleric sub, rogue can stay alive longer, its juz a defence based build and more of support rather than rogue/lock which is good in 1v1 pvp and more aggro-based

and rogue or warrior/cleric wins rogue/warlock any time

its good in 1v1 pvp yes, and only in pvp wif those w/o cleric sub

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 Post subject: Re: [GUIDE] Rogue/warlock
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I think it is one hell of a build if capped and used correctly.
Debuffs + Daggers = Ultra Massive Damage! IMO
It makes a very nice pvp character if it's used by someone who knows how to use it.

and of course, as always: Super High Damage = Super Low Defense

But I like squeezing the juice out of all chars (like I would rather go Pure Int nuker over Hybrid nuker or Pure Str bowman over hybrid bowman), I would use the high dmg of a Rogue and combine it with a Warlock to do even greater dmg, so to me this would be a nice build to try

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 Post subject: Re: [GUIDE] Rogue/warlock
PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 6:28 pm 
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how many sp does this guide needs?


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 Post subject: Re: [GUIDE] Rogue/warlock
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why skip division? its good

and i cant really agree on the statement, rogue/cleric makes no sense

only with a cleric sub, rogue can stay alive longer, its juz a defence based build and more of support rather than rogue/lock which is good in 1v1 pvp and more aggro-based

and rogue or warrior/cleric wins rogue/warlock any time

its good in 1v1 pvp yes, and only in pvp wif those w/o cleric sub



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Also warrior is not the lowest dmg dealer in the game (maybe 1h). Warrior/warlock is not a hybrid build it's pure str just as rogue/warlock.

Oh, and even a rogue/warlock build just sucks without xbow.


i told u this whole thing is what i think about it ...

but thanx for posting ;)

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Fix the spelling please.
It looks nice anyway


i will went i have time i came home but i have lots of work :O
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I calculated the build at home, I'll post the required sp when I get back ^_^


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 Post subject: Re: [GUIDE] Rogue/warlock
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I would suggest using scud to chase running enemies. That is, if you dont have enough money to buy the drug pots.

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 Post subject: Re: [GUIDE] Rogue/warlock
PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 6:27 am 
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Very nice guide but there are some annoying spelling mistakes :D


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 Post subject: Re: [GUIDE] Rogue/warlock
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It's a good guide, but like others said, the spelling mistakes could be fixed easily and would make it much easier to read.

About the skills, I understand that you want to make a PVP build, but it's going to be extremely hard to only use Daggers and an almost useless PVE sub to grind. Dagger rogues who use cleric sub already get hit a lot, but with a warlock sub, your defense is very low, and debuffing normal monsters is not practical in any case. I guess you could be a party warlock, but without Weaken and Impotent (since you decided not to take those), your pure INT party mates will take more damage and do less damage. To make this build more feasible, you could suggest adding in Crossbow skills for easier grinding. The only way I could see this build leveling up efficiently is by powerlevel, no offense.

For PVP, which is what your guide is mainly based around, the guide looks solid. You took the most essential skills, but there are a few that could make your life much easier. Impotent is a life-saving debuff that helps you tank much more. A 10k hit would be reduced to a little over 6k on you, and with daggers, this helps a lot because of the lack of attack cancel skills (like crossbow's KD and KB). I understand that you won't be using the nukes, so that is your reason for not taking Medical Raze and Magical Ravage. But another good debuff to add to is Wheel Bind. You will only use this debuff in PVP since it has no effect on monsters, but it adds 5 seconds to a potion delay. For a Chinese character, this is lethal in itself. If I were to pick only two debuffs to use in PVP, I would go with Impotent and Wheel Bind. Division and Decay are of a lesser priority than surviving big hits with Impotent and quickly killing your opponent with a huge potion delay. Crossbow skills, too, are helpful in PVP. You can even start off from long range, KBing and KDing your opponent to whittle down their HP, and when they get close enough, you can switch to Warlock to stun, debuff, and sleep them. After that you can do your Pricking and Butterfly Blow. (By the way, you don't actually need Illusion and Shade Illusion if you already have Duplicate from the Rogue tree.)

I understand that adding these skills costs more SP, but it will definitely make you into a more efficient killer. After all, if nothing else, you could just Bloody trap + Sleep your opponent and simply wail away on them until they die. The offensive debuffs are just a bonus. And this build has a big disadvantage against Holy Spell, and Chinese builds can always use Frost Nova to freeze you.

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 Post subject: Re: [GUIDE] Rogue/warlock
PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 6:07 am 
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warrior has the 2nd strongest phys skill in the game... (maddening/daredevil)

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 Post subject: Re: [GUIDE] Rogue/warlock
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@Advancechao

Thnx for the information i'll try to use it in the guide.
Moste of the spell mistakes must be corrected now ? (my english isn't that good)

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 Post subject: Re: [GUIDE] Rogue/warlock
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CLOT wrote:
why skip division? its good

and i cant really agree on the statement, rogue/cleric makes no sense

only with a cleric sub, rogue can stay alive longer, its juz a defence based build and more of support rather than rogue/lock which is good in 1v1 pvp and more aggro-based

and rogue or warrior/cleric wins rogue/warlock any time

its good in 1v1 pvp yes, and only in pvp wif those w/o cleric sub


not really a rogue with warlock just need stun if the oppenent is cleric sub. With an 80% chance stun a rogue/warlock doesn't need any debuffs to kill anyone with cleric sub.

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 Post subject: Re: [GUIDE] Rogue/warlock
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Well, I guess the red stars on the picture of the dagger means that is important. There has to be a red star after phy reinforce also. Your phy dmg is better when phy reinforce is high. for example: phy attack power 100, phy reinforce 50. and phy attack power 50 and phy reinforce 100. The 100 reinforce will deal more dmg.


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 Post subject: Re: [GUIDE] Rogue/warlock
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the_wicked wrote:
warrior has the 2nd strongest phys skill in the game... (maddening/daredevil)


daredevil IS the strongest unless a rogue turns on CE/DD and uses distance shot/prick
and prick also uses 10% hp ^^


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 Post subject: Re: [GUIDE] Rogue/warlock
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what about an Xbow/warrlock or even if i had to an xbow.dagger/warlock

I have funds to plvl and keep good gear but is there a certain lvl I would be effective at PVE as well I dont want to be a strictly pvp class


ALSO

If I cant pve can i Dlvl warlock all the way to 0-2 so i can pick bard or cleric as a class


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 Post subject: Re: [GUIDE] Rogue/warlock
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Rogue + Warlock = extreme kill

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 Post subject: Re: [GUIDE] Rogue/warlock
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 Post subject: Re: [GUIDE] Rogue/warlock
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Eraser_Rain wrote:
Rogue + Warlock = extreme kill

Indeed.


And I dont agree on the thing you said about daggers are better for pvp..
Yes, they kill much faster, and have nice statuses like bleed & that things

BUT
Do they have knockdown and knockback? No

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 Post subject: Re: [GUIDE] Rogue/warlock
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I am planning on using this guide. Although, I think I will stick with crossbow only.
Should still own right? (going for faster leveling)

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 Post subject: Re: [GUIDE] Rogue/warlock
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Personaly i dislike daggers, xbow is the best way to grind imo.


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 Post subject: Re: [GUIDE] Rogue/warlock
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1 weapon rogue is half a rogue, use cross bow to pick off ints at range, daggers kick ass yes but what good does that do if you done been nuked to death where as you could have killed the nuker from afar and then moved in closer to take care of say a blader thats left

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 Post subject: Re: [GUIDE] Rogue/warlock
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Dagger skills look cooler imo :P

You always have stealth to enage.

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Ouch..no impotent or wheel bind?
I guess this build dosen't require xbow quite as much becuz it'll be basically debuffing,sleep then killing with daggers. U won't be using the kd+mortal wounds combo much unless ur vsing someone with cleric sub. Still, xbow rocks for pve and u will probably need it to have any chance against holy spell users. Holy spell+integrity+pills pretty much makes ur warlock sub useless, except maybe advanced reflect.

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Guide needs a lot of work...you need to look at the skills again.

Wheel Bind is a MUST!!!! Most of the time if you Just put wheel bind on a opponent you can kill them with just that debuff.

Also impotent reduces the damage done to you when the opponent is attacking you, which they will because 20% of the time buffs wont work or they will pill off stun or sleep.

Also i wouldnt recoment Vampire Kiss...takes longer to cast and really not needed for 1v1.

I could Definitely get Reflect and Advanced Reflect, can be life savers.

And if your looking to save SP on this build dont get all of the Non-Essential rogue skills such as the Stealth/Poison/Mask Change skills. Get xbow instead for lvling. Since you wont be using poison dont lvl the dagger passives that give you poison increase. Plus with a lot of people using anti-stealth things with bots nowadays i wouldnt get stealth or stealth dagger.


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Guide needs a lot of work...you need to look at the skills again.

Wheel Bind is a MUST!!!! Most of the time if you Just put wheel bind on a opponent you can kill them with just that debuff.

Also impotent reduces the damage done to you when the opponent is attacking you, which they will because 20% of the time buffs wont work or they will pill off stun or sleep.

Also i wouldnt recoment Vampire Kiss...takes longer to cast and really not needed for 1v1.

I could Definitely get Reflect and Advanced Reflect, can be life savers.

And if your looking to save SP on this build dont get all of the Non-Essential rogue skills such as the Stealth/Poison/Mask Change skills. Get xbow instead for lvling. Since you wont be using poison dont lvl the dagger passives that give you poison increase. Plus with a lot of people using anti-stealth things with bots nowadays i wouldnt get stealth or stealth dagger.


Kiss takes longer to cast? it seems quicker to me lol but ur the warlock so i guess u know wat ur talking about.

The skills definitely do need a bit of re-thinking but i doubt it will be updated.

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