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Again, you guys keep saying i'm going to help bots. I'm not helping anyone but union members here. If you want to think outside the bun, feel free. But I need to do what is best for my union. I don't see any great ideas coming from avalon. If you have a better suggestion run it by me.

I don't really like bots as much as the next legit. A few of them are nice ppl, and there are legit players in their guild of which I get along well with alot of them. I'm not saying, make it fair for botters, help botters play better, or anything like that. I'm simply telling my union memebers they don't have restriction on parties. If they are in a party and the cleric leaves, and the only cleric is from a bot guild, then fine so be it. That cleric my be a botter, or he/she may not be. But it's not my union members best interest in finding out that information. Their best interest is wanting to level up, play the game, and de-stress from the RL.

And no it's not a sandbox thing.. I'm not mad at avalon. I have no reason to be. I think Fly was a bit off his rocker with his first comments, but it's not the first time he has done that to me. I just simply want my union members to have a good time in the game. thats all..

For 1, you didnt make a tank cause the server needs them, you did it because you are bored. This server has plenty of tanks, wizzes, even quite a few bards, and many rogues. What we dont have is clerics, like witch said.

What Im typing here has nothing to do with witch, so dont you fcking jump on his ass, or say shit to him. Tell your fckin union to stop kicking people from my union from your parties, and then we can talk about who parties with who. And no, you dont need proof, you know it happens. Do I party with someone who has a bot running?...No! Hell, I joined an Xcal party last week, with pretty good xp i might add. Some fun talk, and chased yarkan, and then we parted ways. WTF is that any business of yours? Wait I can answer for you....Its none of your fckin business. Yet you lure on a party of legits and get legits killed. All because you dont like who they were partying with.

Im saying it now, like ive said it many times. And everyone here knows it... Bots are not leaving because of you. Listen..I got some info for you all. They are rerolling and making more fckin server traffic. None of them have left. They dont give a fck about avalon. Ya they talk shit ingame, but who doesnt. There are more bots on this server now, than when it fckin started.(Thats the funniest shit right there)

Anyways yall have a good time "getting rid " of the bots..lmao
Oh ya, and stay the fck out of witch's next thread.

Grey areas... grey areas...
When the benefit outweight the loss.
8/8 party 7 from legit union.
Only cleric is a from botter guild. But is not a botter himself.
Who is helping who?

Did I jump anyone's anything? I said I was being calm and gentle and I am. You are the ones being froggy.

I never accused you of anything tho I will point out that there are 29 servers full of people who dont care and just want to have fun. Legits dont want to play there. Legits came to Venus for a specific reason, the one we push all over the forums all the time. Despite what you have said and done in the past, I have pretty much forced my Union to accept you as "us" and not "them" because I thought we were all fighting the same fight. If we are not, that certainly alters our attitudes toward each other.

@death - If you dont have anything smart to say just stfu. You have no idea why I do anything and your presuming to know is insulting to us both. I go out of my way to be uncommunicative towards you for a reason. Have enough respect to return the favor.

@ death

plenty of tanks? maaaan i spend atleast 1hr/day to find a tank for gen party

Nightbloom, nothing I said was unintelligent. You choose to try and put me down because you know what i say is true. Ok maybe you werent bored. Maybe you just wanted to have a tank character. Then Ok cool. But dont sit there and say its because venus needs tanks. Have you even logged on anymore? I am saying it is a game. I didnt come to Venus because it is a legit haven. I started over because i was hacked in Red Sea. Im not here to be a big cool guy and banish the bots to the netherealm. Im here to play, and relieve stress, and have fun. You should try it too. That and maybe taking the Im too high and mighty for anyone stick out of your ass might make you a better person:)
Dam Now i have to edit
Kratos, there are plenty of tanks...maybe not online:p But they are there nonetheless.:p

I know, I got tired of hearing my union beg for tanks. lol So Fly made me one. I know BHA and Avalon both have a major tank shortage. I put death on ignore so you wont have to moderate Kratos. LOL I have a thing against helmet wearers. Im so glad SRF has an ignore feature.

First off it wasn't a hurricane pt but an Avalon/BHA/Odyssey pt started by myself...

Secondly, you're always good for those nice arguments etc., but if last time I wasn't nice enough to just drop it and just move the pt somewhere else so you stop KSing us, you wouldn't be saying that. Don't worry next time I won't bother pushing that print screen key and then we'll see if you still come out with good arguments and all against that.

Third off I don't have anything against your union, but seriously, I don't like it much when people come and KS the parties I'm in.

Most tanks are <65 lvls (_i386_,Axe007,Ukitake,RinRin,TheSpiderpig(noob ) Then 50-60 lvs are Jehuty, Sacriface,Sleepyworker...and more whose name I don't remember exactly.

See, thats called attention...and I love it. She had me on block ingame as well, that didnt last long did it nb^_^
This shit right here is what the game is supposed to be about. You really want to annoy the bots. Ignore them. OMG i dont know how many times you dumb people need to hear this. Botters get off on this shit.
Its time to make rivalries, against legits. Im sorry, but ask anyone, this retarded legits vs bots bs is getting old. Ignore the bots and play the fckin game. She will read this eventually. She has too.

Im 68, almost 69. Fly and I work together so that the other tanks can make a second party. Its going very well. We've had two parties there during the day all week.

To the general public: well this was a god damn waste of a good post. all i posted about was recruiting. And sure enough: omg witch posted something, lets flame it or go way off topic. 2 months ago there was no shortage of tanks in avalon, they just didn't log on anymore. I sure as hell don't have a shortage on tanks, i'm short clerics. So each guild/union has it own need for a certain build.

To nightbloom: Most importantly, I don't want you to force anyone to treat me anyway. Forcing someone to do something in a game is kinda cheesey. If ppl in Avalon don't like me, which I know alot of them do, then so be it. I did nothing wrong to the ppl in avalon. As I said, I have a union to look after and thats what counts to me right now. I'm against all non legit players in my union, and I want them to appreciate the game for what it is. I'm against plvld chars, and botted chars because 90% of the time, they both play the same, they suck. And again, if you have a better idea, i'm all welcome to hear it. The Legit Confederacy thing, thats just not my bag, I read this forum, I work on my own forum, I play the game, I just don't have the time for anything else there.

To death: nightbloom didn't create this problem on the post, don't take this out on her. She is being civilized in this conversation which i greatly appreciate.

to feartaler or deathtaler or whatever the hell you name is: ya i saw you in that party, afk as usual, lets see, of the 3 ptg's I ks'd from your party, 1st, killed your entire party in which over half scrolled back to town before i could res u all, 2nd, kewtie was trying to help you guys by debuffing one while i ressed your cleric and the only pt member doing anything was the poor tank, 3rd, the other plvl party out there, mavericks, was who i ks'd that one from. Every party I have seen you in, my union, or bha, you always go afk, and don't tell anyone. the entire party will move to a different area and your ass just sits there afk. You did it them, you did it now. I don't even know why the hell I bothered reply to you, boredom and tired and cranky i guess.

Look, this post made it's intentions, I got two new members out of it. But all this gibberish involved with the post was not needed. I'm really dissapointed in everyone, including myself to let yet another Odyssey post get out of hand and off topic. Odyssey as a union, is all for having a legit server, we always have been. I'm not going to break down what avalon started. But I'm trying to change my ways. Botter or legit, neither of them really care for me on Venus, and I don't know what I did wrong, but I'm not leaving, I never made a lvl 80 char and I'm proud of the fact that I did it by hand. I got 10x the gratz from BHA than I did from avalon. In the past, ya I said some pretty stupid things about avalon, and I apologized about them. People like Zypher still have to hold a grudge and not go past it then thats choices they are going to make. WitchHazel, is not the asshole everyone thinks he is. Another example, Khaara, didn't say a word to me since i left avalon, until the other day, when he saw me use a lvl 80 skill. numerous times I pm'd him asking him questions about his char and I just got ignored. I never said anything or did anything to khaara, other than he wasted a tons of cash on his gear, but everyone knows that. Otherwise, you can verify this, I have respected his as the top wiz in the server. Right not NoPoLL (Nipple) doens't like me, when I asked him, he wouldn't tell me. So I was a hot headed jerk sometimes. yup, I'm mean to botters, yup, I hate playing with plvld chars in me party. So, who's gonna say omg, witch is going emo /wrist's? Seriously, I know someone is thinking it after reading this. My union isn't a sign of defiance, or alliance, my union is simply here to have fun, make friends, and enjoy the game. If your on board with that, cool, if not, thats ok too. I'm going to bed..


<edit> i just noticed 5 billion typos, but it's 2:38am and I'm tired. good night.

Nice
Don't know when it's daytime for you, but when it is here(+2 GMT), then theres very, very few parties for me(Lv61) or not at all.

+1

Lol... man like, if I was afk, then how did I see you? See you're making things up. The party didn't die. We didn't die, we moved, that's why you didn't see us after a while. Man, I'm gonna stop here cause you won't admit anything, not you or kewtie, you'll always come with your all beautiful arguments and all to get out of fire, but really, next time I catch you KSing us, I'm just gonna sit back and watch your beautiful arguments in front of a beautiful screenshot.

Yeah just keep like that, I know sooner or later your game will be over anyway. I'm keaving this discussion cause I don't have any good proof, so pm me if you have anything else to tell me.

I would like to reiterate that anyone that knows me knows I wouldn't ks or take part in ks'ing a legit party. Especially a lower level party that is working hard to pt and grind legit. My guild wouldn't do that, and the day that they do, they have me to deal with. You were standing next to that square pillar where the planars meet the penon fighters. Your whole party was around the pillar fighting the ptg and you were still standing in your same spot not moving. I receieved quite a few thank yous for trying to help them out. I even mana cycled you once or twice before that, and you still were not moving. As when you were in our union, we didn't see things the same way. And you do in fact have a history of going afk. I am not saying you didn't see what you saw, I am just saying that you didn't perceive what the real senario was. And I will stand behind my actions. And you can ask anyone that was there, or anyone in the game that knows me......Would Kewtie ks a low level legit party.....I guarentee the answers would all be NO!. When we first ran up, we did start to attack one of the PTG's you all were on, because we didn't see you on it from afar. As soon as we saw that it was legits, we backed off.

As for the rest of this stuff in this thread........ people just need to relax. Some people enjoy art, some people like to create art, some people make art their passion, some people make it their life. I really love this game. I am really passionate about being legit. But in the end...other people have the right to make their mistakes and get burned by those that cross them. We are a learn by first hand expierence society. Best I can do, is ensure that the members follow the rules of the union. The rest will fall into place. I do not think this hinders the mission in which Avalon has undertaken. I have said before, I thought that by being friends with bots that I could some how make them see there is a better world out there in SRO by being legit. No one at that time could tell me different. One to many burns, and I can't stand them, have no use for them, wouldn't miss them if they disappeared. I have faith in my guild members and my union. I have faith that they will make good choices. But if they make a bad choice, they will learn from it. And I still have the right to leave a party if I don't like someone that is in it. My choices may hinder my leveling abilities, but that is something that I am willing to take on.

And regarding needed builds, at one time or another a certain build is scarce. This will always be a problem. This morning there is a bard shortage. This afternoon it will be a cleric shortage, tonight it will be a tank shortage. Tomorrow...same thing different order. (wow I feel like the SRO weather forcaster...lol) If someone believes by making a new char that this will help then I don't see anything wrong with it. If someone doesn't feel that this is a good solution to the problem, then they are entitled to their opinion. They can come up with another solution to the problem. The more solutions we have the better chance there is that the problem will get fixed.

Gotta go get more coffee.......... Good Morning Venusnam!!!!!!!!!

Just as a point of reference, I've seen three botters global their goodbyes to Venus in the last week, the most since I started here. I do think they're leaving, and probably at a faster rate than ever.

I just started to read a few posts here. I have one thing to say:
WitchHazel you ashamed me. You came to this server for one purpose when you were talking in vent you sounded pro-legit but now I can see that your concern is being better without looking bad.

So your philosophies is that doesnt matter what or how i get to the top as long as i dont do it.

It was nice to know you people from Odyssey, but i think this is just too much for me.

You can say we didnt come to venus with the same purpose of Avalon, you dont have to, we already conquered the server and put the bots into a position where they depend on legits.
But what you are doing right now is trying to destroy that. So if you dont mind I will consider you a botter from now on, so from now on you have to be called a legit that shakes hand with the enemy.

Asy-- you know as well as I do, that we are not botters, we have just chosen to take a different approach. Maybe you feel differently about it...well not actually you do I guess. We have never said we will be botters. And to label someone a botter or someone who shakes hands with the enemy is rather rediculous. And if you feel the need to take such a drastic approach to this, then I am not sure that talking about anything will make a difference. We are all entitled to our opinions. But your opinion on me, witch, and the rest of our union has no bearing on how we chose to play our game. And I will not subject my guild to threats of force for compliance. I will not force my guild to not party with Avalon memebers, I will not force them to not party with people I chose to not party with, the same as I will not be forced to not party with people they do not like to party with. That was the entire purpose of my statement. There are those that want to take this as "ohhhh look they party with bots!!!" Not the case. Just because we have a different attitude does not mean that we are not what we really are. You play your game the way that gives you satisfaction, we play our way. It doesn't have to be an all or nothing thing. We are not hindering your goals, don't hinder mine. I did not come here to make my mark, and I didn't come to venus because of Avalon. I am glad they are here, but chances are, I would still be playing the way I play even if they were not. I am happy BHA is here as well. But if they were not I would still be here. I am solid when it come to the way I play this game and the way in which I act. I have no reason to even shake in my boots because someone thinks that by labeling us botters, or hand shakers of botters will somehow make us tremble. My game does not change, my rules stay the same. You can call me a purple polka dotted crossdressing oompa loompa, and at the end of the day, I am still a legit. Always have been always will be.

First yeah, everyone that knows you will say you'd never KS, simply because they want to cover you as they are friends.
Secondly don't make up stuff, no one thanked you. If you would have opened your eyes we were telling you to stop KSing. And no you didn't mana cycle me.
Thirdly that thing about me going AFK... prove it, you're the only person, and witchhazel too btw, that ever said I went AFk all the time. I don't know where you got that idea from, but nice try, I see that since you just can't eat the truth you're making up stories to make me look bad.

Like I said, I know you'll talk a lot to defend your guild and union, you'll make up stories and lie to cover yourselves from the truth, but believe me, I know that the day people will prove that you're not as good as you say you are, it will hurt much more than if you just admit it.

By the way, if you dion't realize it yet, you see kewtie, you talk much but at least I admited that I didn't have any proof, you didn't yet, you're just speaking like that. This when on the previous page apparently there is proof (refering to Fly's posts) about you not being THAT legit

No Asy, it was you that I am ashamed of. I once respected you as a person, until the day you decided to talk about my kids in game. It was a low blow, just like you talking about someone's dead mother.

I don't validate anything you say anymore, like your global the other day, saying if anyone has magic_woman in their party, you are going to kill the whole party, then the next day magic_woman is in an avalon guild. My choices on who I allow my union to party with are made in party mainly by you. You killed an entire legit party in the cave because you assumed one player was not legit. Your choices are irrational and dumbfounded.

One again, you "people" keep saying I'm helping bots, i'm making friends with bots, I'm doing NO SUCH THINGS. read the fcking posts. I have said I'M NOT CHOOSING TO PARTY WITH THESE PEOPLE BUT I'M NOT PUNSHING UNION MEMBERS FOR DOING SO. It is their choice. Avalon wants to dictate to me how to run my guild, however you can't even control the situations in Avalon yet. I have report 2 botters in Avalon on 3 seperate occasions, and here we are a month later and the bots are still in the union left with I'm not giving enough proof. Had I been in your union still, would you have listened to me then? Avalon does not respect the opinion of Odyssey therefore my choices are left for me to decide on. Not that of Avalon or anyone else in Venus for that matter.

I will repeat this one more time. I'm not destroying what Avalon has worked on in the past. What i'm allowing is for my union members, under lvl 60 to have the option of finding a fcking party. Fck, the guards, fck the gens, there are a shit load more players out there not at those levels and needs parties. I don't want to spend my days having to plvl ppl to play in those parties. If Avalon isn't going to be of any help in this situation then I have to use my own ideas to create lower lvl parties. This KS party that darthale keeps referring to, I watched it while i was there, they sucked hardcore. Back in the days when we were all in the penons the parties were phenominal, outstanding, some of the best party play I have ever seen. I've spent loads of time trying to teach ppl how to play in parties just as avalon had assisted us back in the day, I try and pass that knowledge on to union members. So Asy, take the fcking time to read between the lines. As I said, I'm not and asshole, contrary to what you may think, but I have ppl that want to play this game, in party, and have fun at it. How can I deny them that?


On another note: "So if you dont mind I will consider you a botter from now on, so from now on you have to be called a legit that shakes hand with the enemy." You know how many fcking times I have seen Avalon in bot plvl, bot parties, buffing bots during pvp, buffing bots during job war, buffing bots during guild war, ressing bots during unique fights. Do not tell me it doesn't happen. ppl see it all the time. gens party, badboys2 in rp party, yarkan kill lieutenent ressing etna, pvp very respected avalon tank buffing botted nukers. It happens every day. You can control it. and you won't kick these ppl from your union for doing such things. End of story, call me a botter if you wish. I know who I am. I don't need Asy's opinion of myself, because as I stated above, I can no longer respect your opinion. It was talking to you that day camping Ivy that made me believe in Avalon and wanting to join Avalon. Do you remember that day? We talked about your daughter, and my kids, and our values in this game. You want me to respect what you do in this game, then you should at least give me one valid reason why. And tell me, What have I ever done in this game that has undone what Avalon has done in the past?


Darthaler - you make yourself look bad.. stfu and find another post. 1 month ago you finally made it to the mujigis, and now you are just making it to the penons. You afk'd when i tried helping you in the sungs like 3 moths ago, you afk'd when i tried teaching you guys in the mujigi's about 2 months. We had full union parties and you sat afk and cried like a girl because someone in your guild couldn't get in the party. Anyone that knows the ice, and the good grinding spot will know that little dome shaped thing where every stands, you were standing there while your party was getting the shit kicked out of it next to the second pillar on the south side. The only reason you are in this post if because you have some bent feelings from when you were in my union and I posted about shit plvld players and you thought I was taking about you. Remember that?? I was talking about that tank N_A_K_A_L_E that was in my guild. he got plvld then joined my guild and he sucked and got kicked cuz he didn't want to learn(or couldn't understand english). And your poor little whiney ass thought i was talking about you, when I said I wasn't, and you disbanded your guild and the remaining leftovers joined BHA in which hasn't been much of a success for you either. You left Hera for Venus, and i'd wager you won't last much longer on Venus either.

Ya i'm double posting, ban me, but I know my replies are full of typos but I don't feel like taking the time to proof read them.

I was on mujijis 2 weeks ago. I got homework, I got stuff to do IRL, I don't have premium, and unlike you (apparently) I have a life. Obviously I won't lvl as fast as you. Grow up a bit. Our guild didn't just split like that, we merged with SuddenDeath.

We left your union cause you taxi your own members for money, you weren't there to help us stop saying that you were, you were there to plvl your noob, cause after all, you know very well that your OWN members can't even play well enough to JOIN a party instead of gettin PLVLed by you. That's the truth. I've never seen any Odyssey members joining our parties, you guys get plvled. I always see at least one Odyssey plvl on penons, you guys don't party. And over that, you make a fortune out of those noobs you get in your guild. You make them pay you so you plvl them.

Thats how your union works. Anyone who is high lvl joins you and makes millions out of plvling your own members. Proof?

This might be old, but here's an example on how you guys let people from your own guild plvl each other. You tell the other members to stop, but you keep doing it.



Ok, I know DoctorMo is now a botter, but still, this is how it was before and how it still is today. Just wait until I get another Odyssey plvl on penons, it won't be very hard anyway.

Now ffs, think whatever you want but bear in mind that if we left your union it was because we, and specially eirlys, were tired of your constant plvling. It was impossible for us, Pwnage members, to start a party with you because all of your members, those around our lvl, were all busy getting plvled. And when we tried to inform the whole union about this, about how you exploited newbie's money, what happened? We got kicked from the union. You're like that, it's hard for you to take the god damn truth.

And one more thing. What tells you BHA isn't being much of a succes for me? Because you see me getting flamed around in BHA? Well I can tell you that I'm already doing better than you, and that I always did, when I was a leader, unlike you I never asked my members to pay me money for plvl, and we helped them DECENTLY. so you can go think again before you come back with your flaming, and before you say I'm worse than you.

Magic woman isnt in Avalon. She was in for 1 day because more than one person has add rights and Zee is a sweet, sweet boy who genuinely thinks everyone is good and kind and legit when he meets them. I like that about him.

Asya is a Turk, he's passionate, he murders people, he stirs up shit all the time, but I love him because for two years he has been loyal to me and loyal to the cause. He totally gets what we are doing here and why we are doing it. He has a personal Jihad against bots. lol I like it.


Im not into walls of text cause no one ever reads them. Kind of a waste of effort Witch, I hate to tell you. ^^

I will tell you this and you can do with it what you wish. If there is a party up and it has a player in a bot guild/union in it, no one from Avalon will join it and I will disabuse any union member of the notion as well. If I see it enough to remember any one Odyssey person's name (I dont often remember anyone's name honestly) that person will not be welcome in a party I am in and I will give notice of my departure. I will instruct any member of Avalon or Union to follow suit.

That is the best compromise I can offer to your compromise. If I have to level with only my own Union to uphold my ideals, I am willing to do so. I have a strong union who can, if it has to, be self contained. I made a stand against bots and I have a whole server full of reasons not to give it up now.

First you say you left my union, then you say i kicked you. Lol? FYI, I told everyone in the union that I won't plvl until i hit 80. Charging union ppl for plvl? omfg wow, ok ya proof. I have never once in this game accepted money for plvl. You didn't merge with bha, you disbanded your guild because you couldn't hack it. You 4 steps weren't falling into play. PPL from hera said your were a drama queen and couldn't hack it there, so you tried Venus, instead of being a drama queen your a story book writer.

OMG we have never charged our own members for helping them out in leveling!!! DoctorMo made money off of some union members and that was put to a stop as soon as we were informed of it. And I can't believe you would say that. If anyone charges for plvl within the union and I am told about it then I take care of it. Just go away already, talking to you is like talking to my 10 year old, a brick wall. The only persons in this game to ever give me gold for anything has been Fly, the guy running the contest and people who buy stuff from my stall. In fact I am more likely to give people gold, even when I don't have much. I once gave a guy in our union his million back that he paid for powerlevel so he would leave it since it was a bot that was running the powerlevel. Some would call me a sucker for this, I was trying to help him out. It was my offer to do this, he didn't ask. The only gold witch has is the gold he has managed to make stalling or selling drops and what Fly gave given him in the far past. Geeze louise!!!!! Just give it up already. I am solid in what I say and I am solid in my meaning. I may not always be right, but I am who I say I am and in how I act. When I make mistakes I am the first to admit to them. We have been helping our lower levels out more lately. When someone needs a certain percentage to hit the next level we try to help. We were in the nachal's last night before server shut down to help a member get a level. This was also a perfect opportunity to help people get their buff timing down better and practice better party techniques in a safe enviroment. Helping our guild and our union is a big priority.

Nightbloom, I think that is a fair compromise. I can't ask for anything more or less when it comes to party situations. For the most part we try to rely on union parties as much as we can. The same can be said for all unions. That is one thing we have all always had in common, guild and union before outsiders. Just because we take different approaches does not mean that I do not value your opinion and input.

I dont take Union or guild first. I take whoever is waiting in line to be added. I consider BHA on equal ground with Avalon because i know for a fact that old BH hates the bots just as much as I do. We came from the same place for the same reasons.

If anyone in my guild passes a BHA member for a guildie for no other reason than they are guild, I would say something to them about it.

That was my bad in oversite... yes I know you consider them as mush of your union as your own union members. They really are for the most part some really great people.

Lets get facts straight

We did want to leave already, only Eirlys had to go and start telling everyone in your union about how you asked for money for plvl. So you kicked us before we really decided to leave.

Secondly, ask Kratos if we didn't merge. Every single player from Pwnage joined SuddenDeath, just go aheead and ask kratos, he even helped us doing it anyway, even many other people from SD know it.

And thirdly off, I don't give a damn about what people from Hera think about me, it was 4 months ago, maybe I told everyone in the union that they were ditching people but that stuff is PAST. We're talking about how things are NOW.

And yes you did ask money for plvl, don't tell me that wasn't true because I was once in your union and I knew pretty much how it is there.

fetaler, man cmon. I dont know who you are speaking of, but i havent seen anyone in odyssey that charges union for plvl. Witch actually discourages that amongst union. Kewtie is right, she does not take part in Ksing, especially lower level parties. Im sure if you'd like to keep this going they can get more proof from people that were there. Just let it go man.

Maybe Eirlys is your drama queen then. But i didn't kick your gimp ass from the union. I woke up in the morning and your guild was gone, and everyone said thank god. and please lets get the facts straight.. if I charge for plvl why do I only have 2.4mil gold? please give me proof. If i charged for plvl my gear would be fully pimped. My gear is shit cuz I don't have the gold for pimping. Trust me, I've debated asking Fly for a loan. I'd think if I charged for plvl, as a wiz, I'd have quick a stock pile. Man your too fcking noob for this convo. hurry reply again. you know you will..