Silkroad Online Forums

After answering about 500 pm's yesterday, I decided I would make a post because I really just can't type it out anymore. Legits, and bots alike, were shocked that Odyssey left Avalon's Union.

The reason I withdrew Odyssey from the Union is for one simple reason. Lack of leadership.
There is a downward trend in that union that is overall weakening it's strength as a whole.

The beginning of the issue is power-leveling. People are creating alt characters and plvling them. Some of which are not logging in on their original char's. In my opinion, this makes inactive guild slots being taken up. And when players don't actually partitipate in the party, they do not learn how to effectively use their new char.

Another thing within the Union I could not agree with, is the senior members capping out their char's, and not logging in the game anymore. Why? to work on a Private Server for SRA. Anyone that feels they should be legit, should not even come anywhere to a private server. If you are a Legit Player, then you support Joymax. A private server, in no way suports what they are doing and you are giving up you fight for Legitimacy. When Odyssey first joined the union. we asked for alot of help. And a majority of time, no one would help because they were too busy on my ticket time. Well for some, I can see their point. For me, I waste alot of ticket time helping others. I've also spent countless hours, helping me guild members in parties, teaching them better party play, and each euro char's role in a party. Something that Avalon, Odyssey, or anyone from that Union has told me, that is something you would never see from Avalon's leadership.

Another distressing factor in my choice to leave the union, was the fact the my guild members, who would be playing in a good party at the time would get thrown out of a party. Because another player would log on, who is the "virtual BF/GF" of another memeber in the party, in which case the party would be reform, and my members would get left out. When approaching the leadership, we were told our members just have to learn to live with that.

Every other Union, I have had the pleasure of being in on SRO, when the union went to hunt uniques, the Union would not KS each other. It was a matter of respect, and it just wouldn't happen. Again, this doesn't apply in Avalon. There is no respect for anyone.

Fortress war, now here is a real winner. Being told Avalon will not participate in the FW so Odyssey and Hurricane can have some fun? We have had fun regardless of who was there. It was fun just being there.

Botted Char's. Now as I was stricly told I was not allowed to have any formerly botted char's in my guild, and was told to kick the ones I had out. All I can say is Mai. Half botted char and welcomely accepted in Avalon's guild. A bit hypocritical if you ask me.

For too long this entire server has called Odyssey Avalon's Biotch. As well, for too long, Has Odyssey been told they are nothing without Avalon. Well Odyssey is 5-0 for guild wars. And I feel the guild is pretty strong. Before we joined Venus, I had never even participated in a guild war.

On a final note, after my frustration with the Union hit my limits, I went into Vent to tell NB about withdrawing my guild from the Union, she asked why, and as I was explaining, Fly comes on and simply says "bye", nothing more, nothing less.

As I have said on several occasions, I appreciate the help Avalon has given Odyssey in the past. I have no enemies within Avalon, nor does anyone in Odyssey feel that way. I've already lost of few members to Avalon, and all that tells me is that they were in Odyssey only for the Avalon name. I feel that Odyssey and Avalon are not rivals, I just however feel that we don't see eye to eye on certain things. Some people call it a power struggle, some people call me a whining little biotch. But at least someone in that union was trying to do the right thing.

To everyone in Avalon, Odyssey is still there for you whenever you need us. We made alot of good friends, and still consider you all our friends.

I ask that you please don't stoop as low and making anonymous users on my forums to post about me or my members. This is not respectful, and all it is doing is showing the community why we left Avalon. We have made our new home in BHA. We thank them for welcoming us into the union. We look forward to a rewarding future for the whole union.

I'd just like to point out that the ONLY person who is actually working on the private server is Cruor. He is neither in Avalon, or plays silkroad. If any capped members dont "play anymore", its because they have other things to do in their life. I've seen EVERY level 80 in Avalon union logged in in the past week to either help out in a Generals party, or another party.

im not too sure what to think about this whole thing

shit >.< legits shouldnt fight eachother, they should fight together

I would prefer it if Avalon members gave this matter the same regard it deserves. None.

Odyssey doesnt matter.

THe issue with SG adding a former member of our Union without asking us why that member is no longer one is of far greater concern to me, but even then... *shrug* Good luck handling Witch. Our Union breathed a collective sigh of relief when they left.

It's always the right move to do what is best for you, you're free time gaming experience and what you feel is best for your guildmembers if that is your responsibility.

Avalon has done an awesome job in laying a great foundation for legits and legit guilds to blossom on Venus, for that huge thanks and respect. Aside from that, no other guild is Avalon. Odyssey is Odyssey, Avalon is Avalon. There is no 'hate' etc in that.

Nice post Witch. States your position clearly and fairly.

Anyway, I just leave the drama at work. Game is for fun, and if it ain't fun where you are (guild or otherwise) MOVE.

Anyways, welcome to BHA.

LOL

enough said

First of all, i've been calm over this matter. But since u brought it up, i have to stand up and give out my opinion.


Bullshit, u withdrew from union because kewtie (ur wife, lvl 64) got "KSed" from union member (lvl 48) when fighting cerberus. I was on vent on that day, dont tell ppl otherwise. I heard kewtie was going so mad about it. IT SHOULD BE THE OTHER WAY AROUND! Kewtie is higher lvl than that guy! So we have to tell all union members NOT to attack any uniques when kewtie is there? That's plain stupid. U know it but u're too big headed to admit it. Then after u bashing the union guild on union chat, u came into vent and said "we're leaving the union". NB asked "why?". U said "we cannot accept what is going on right now bla bla bla". U didnt even answer the question. She was going to argue but she stop and said "ok", and fly said "bye". So, what do u think? We've put up with u being a.sshole a long time already, we accepted the fact that ur ego is too high to be a leader but still u being a b.itch about low lvl uniques?? KEWTIE IS LVL 64 AND THAT GUY IS LVL 48 FOR GOD SAKE!



So now we cannot create our own alt char and plvl it? Who the fark are u to stop us from doing what we want? It's our own god damn char. I know ONE person in Avalon that made an alt char. That is ZOMGCleric. He made a tanker because there was a big lacks of tankers before. He plvled it and continue the char in lvl 4x or 5x. He doesnt even need to plvl it anymore after that because he already have constant pt with that char. And dont say he doesnt know how to play it because it was being plvled. He's better at his char than u and urs. The last time i pt with u was before i got to lvl 79. U gave the bard in the pt str buff instead of me, a nuker with Life Turnover on. How stupid is that? Everyone knows bards doesnt die much in pt, they usually got ignored by mobs. And that guy doesnt do mp heal either, he was there as secondary bard to enable the main bard to cast dance. I know all about bard, dont u dare argue about it with me. U even got offended when i asked for the str buff. And what did i said? "nvm". It means, i had enough with u and i'll not argue with it nmore.



WTH are u talking? Only cruor was working on it. Asy was on to help us in generals many times. NB and fly doesnt buy premium anymore hence the lack of logging in. Corrupt is corrupt. Khaara is busy with school. Lemon and zee always on. I asked u one more time. What the hell are u talking about? We online almost 24/7 from lvl 1. We had constant pt before. Now their capped and they dont deserve to relax? They owe it to themselves. U are being crybabies. U expect them to come and hold ur hand and "let's go pt baby, i will help u, i dont have anything to do in real life, u are more important than our families, our real life friend, our work, our school". We worked super hard before and sometime we need a break. They're taking their break, and u dont have any god damn right to control their lives.



Just say it, u talking bout zee and lemon. They have their own rights to have whoever they want in their pt. U're being an asshole not to understand that. They known each other for so long, i even met them at punishers together when the server was young. I even joined their 2 man pt at karras. They like what they do, u have no rights to tell them otherwise. And they did helped u guys A LOT. But u just being ignorance bout it. As example, if i was the pt leader, u being a cleric and the pt is full. Suddenly, NB finally can logged in. I would kick u to make room for NB. Why? becuase i knew NB more than i knew u, and NB is farrrrr better cleric than u do. She's not annoying and we wouldnt argue bout the buffs. Got it?



Respect my a.ss. We even had 2 full parties to kill yarkan. U being a b.itch for low lvl uniques? Come on, how low can u be? Can i remind u again? KEWTIE IS LVL 64 AND THAT GUY IS LVL 48, and it was on CERBERUS!



I had enough of ur shi.t U always start the drama in union chat, calling ppl noobs, stupid and so on. We are relieved that u left. I have respect for others in odyssey but not u and kewtie. Sorry if i'm being harsh on this but i had enough. I wont regret it. As my Emperor said it before "BYE".

ugh. I hate drama even more than I hate bots.

+1 to all what Guardia said I couldnt agree more, similar thread has been made by WitchHazel on SRA seems like he is trying to get some attention.

Go read when you have the time because I have commented everything he has stated there.
I wasnt aware of this one until I have been told to check the link in Guardia's comment.

http://silkroadaddiction.com/forum2/showthread.php?p=11603&posted=1#post11603

There are several points in his post that are odd to say the least.

powerleveling - Fly's stance on PLing is quite reasonable. Dont be excessive, make sure you party regularly, dont get PLed by a bot. We have PLed eachother and members and BHA, we dont see that as a crime.

Senior Members not logging in - Bob is in high school, Beaver is in the UK and on a dif time zone, Khaara is a full time engineering student, Asyamura owns a successful business, Corrupt has a one comp family with several members who have to share, everyone knows Zee and Lemon are there, I run a forum and have a family and Fly's life is of course as mysterious as he is. All of us accessible to whomever needs us on Vent when we can. We all log on as often as we can and each of us run the guild and union in some way. We worked countless hours to make Venus what it is, no one feels bad about kicking back.

Leaving a party - I do not decide for my members who they can and cannot party with. There was an issue with Lemon leaving a party to go play with IAmZeDevil. I would never tell Lemon she cannot leave a party to go with Zee, who is her best friend and long time gaming buddy. I cant imagine what would happen if someone tried to tell me I wasnt allowed to go play with Fly and I would if he had no party and needed one. I have a great respect for that successful partnership, they have been stellar members.

"KSing" a Unique - A boss is a free for all and whomever gets the kill wins.

Fortress war - Im not even sure what to say about that one. lol How about "insert bunny with pancake pic" here?

Botted Char - Mai is Evil Soul, the most notorious Turk botter there is and he is now legit. When he joined us the server was brand new and he was the very first of many bots to go legit to be a part of what Avalon is doing. When he joined us we had no policy at all on what we would accept or not accept, all we knew at the time was that botters going legit was one of our goals, yet Mai's conversion was a huge suprise. By the time we made a concrete plan in that regard, Mai had already leveled with us for many levels and got "grandfathered" in. Mai has been a completely loyal and dedicated member for us and everyone in Avalon loves him dearly.

Fly saying bye - He didnt "come on" he was there from the beginning and goodbye is a perfectly normal way to bid someone farewell. I said I wouldnt argue with you about your guild leaving and said have fun, Fly said goodbye. Nothing insidious was present.

I have never posted on your forum, no one I know has posted on your forum. If my members are making trouble, Ill be pleased to handle it.


Other than that, thank you for flying Avalon Air. Despite some turbulence, we hope your trip was a good one.

and and witch, i expect you to boot agamoto. i mean, mini-fly DID powerlevel him from 40-70. oh wait, did you forget about that?

roflcakes. your just a guy with an anger management issue. your wife is a chick with no leadership skills. while i think your both good people, nether one of you can run a guild.

you joined my union after merging your whole union and ending up with 20 members. after adding my name and reputation behind your guild, u ended up with 48 memebers when you left. now ur down to 40. one by one they leave you now.

quit playing house. put away the fake tea set. your not a guild leader and wont ever be.

ZOMFG plvld his char till hes ready for gens parties. I remember partying with his wiz and tank even in bone parties. And u know what is bullshit? What lemon and zee did!!



Then Fly, i expect you to boot mini-fly and unorth. They re both plvled chars. And mini one of u was still getting plvl b4 we left...

Ah, forgot to say, I partied with mini one of u at most 3 times.

Do you really think I can tell people in my guild WHO they must pt with and when? This is a game and a guild, not a Nazi regime. Zee and Lemon have the most fun together and together they have done very well.

Dont talk what u dont know, i've pt with him at nachals.

im not the one who has an anal problem with minifly getting 5-7 people leveled up to the generals so they can help out/replace the capped people.

witch really needs to go to anger management. his wife even says so. after getting that stick out his ass, then and only then, can he attempt to lead a guild.





um, bu bye?

The BEGINNING of this issue? Lulz. I didnt see you complaining when I powerleved both you and Kewtie at the PEGs for 2-3 levels. The only reason why it ever became an "issue" is because I told you to stop using aggro moves in the mask room, when I was POWERLEVELING you, and you flipped out saying that I was telling you how to cleric. Ofcourse I was telling you how to cleric, you were GETTING THE WHOLE PARTY KILLED by casting aggro moves and luring the mobs onto the bards in the process. If you are doing the job wrong, im going to tell you that you are.

People not learn how to use their chars effectively? Maybe you should look inward at your own clericing skills before accusing others.

Dont post bullshit like this. You were never against powerleveling, until it no longer benefited you.

bear tells him to cast recovery devision at our generals party. he flips out and gets anal about not being told how to be a cleric. um, real clerics cast recovery devision buddy....

witch, the whole story of your stay in avalon union was one anal outburst after another. 90% of the drama in the union was started by you.

when i said "bye" in vent, what i really ment was "thank god, finaly!"

ps: bear is happy too

pps: witch, you do know we kicked the_magician for botting his ass off. its ok... i half expected your guild to turn bot the min your members quit off. i guess i was right.

simi A.k.a Agamotto, please make sense when you type something because I cannot understand what you are trying to say.

Because the way you responded to Fly's quote is like a kid saying look look he took my candy give it back.

As a player, i'd like to say that SD dont want to be involved in this, solve ur issues but we dont want to be blamed or blahblah.

As a mod, i'll ask you to calm down

hmm..what should i say?..
"haha..u re very funny asy!!"
is that enough?

This strangely reminds me of Neville Chamberlain's foreign policy of Appeasement towards the Nazi regime, for those history people out there. The more you give, the more they want....

I made the post cuz i was sick of people asking me why I left. So there is the post. all i see over and over is ppl telling me about my anger managment issues, lol. Well at least someone wanted to make a stand on all the crap avalon was allowing in their union. And you say i cause drama. LOL. and drama in BHA? what drama. ppl asked me the details, and i told them my side of the story. simple as that. calm down, yall are taking the whole thing what out of proportion. it's a game. I took your thoughts on being legit to heart, only thing is, you guys didn't want to back up what you said. The "emperor" wow. reality check here.. calm down.

hey, if only you knew.



then i expect you to kick the_magician

oh yeah, by your own standards, you gotta kick agamoto (plvled by mini and lemon 40-70) and serafina (kicked from not 1 but 2 union guilds for plvl by bot)

why do i get the feeling ill see you in thegrudge union one day?

Your level 64 wife gets KSed by a lvl 48 unionmate at Cerberus and you both have a massive coronary over it.... and then tell US to calm down, its only a game?

That is like fuzzy bunny cute.

Wow, calm down? The guy with anger management issue telling ppl to calm down? Did u calm down when i asked to u relax when u b.itch bout not having a pt at union chat? No, u didnt. U even asked me to log off. Dont be a two face.

Finally Witch, I don't think it is a good thing to be unioned with you.

Yes im scared of drama.And it already started *this thread*

Im really not trying to start drama, but his critisms arent fair.

I appreciate your statement tho and you have no idea how much.

Basini ellerinin arasina koy ve iki dakika dusun, ne kadar nankor bir sekilde davrandigini ve seni yoneten ruhsal hastasinin davranislarina bak. Sen ne dersende akilli bir insan oldugunu dusunuyorum, belki Avalonu sevmiyorsun o senin bilecegin birsey. Ama bu salakca yapilan savasin masasi olma cunku buna laik degilsin. okullunda basarilar dilerim umarim bu gunleri atlatirsin.

ve birsey daha, sende bende Mai'yi cok iyi taniyoruz ve arkadasimizdir, sen nasil boyle konusmasina Mai'yi masa olarak kullanmasina sebep olabilirsin ?