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Da_Realest wrote:
.curve wrote:
Oh wow. This just discredited everything. That is MONTAGE! What's the point of a montage? To show his best clips. Of course it's going to be full of tsk's. Why would he put anything else in there? God ignorance.
I think anyone who can read knows its a montage. You missed my point.
I clearly said the people I usually played with were something like this guy in terms of accuracy. That's how easy it usually was to get a three shot kill with the pistol. Not all of his kills in the video with the pistol were 3 shot kills. His skills outside the video are irrelevant to the point I was making.
Furthermore, the video was only reinforcing some points I made earlier. Particularly this quote.
That video shows nothing about his accuracy.
.curve wrote:
Because you were playing with pros who tsk every time, right? No.
Da_Realest wrote:
Yup. About 60% of the time anyway.
I guess I was wrong to assume you would be able to put A and B together.
Ignorance? I'll show you ignorance in your own post.
.curve wrote:
Local tournaments are nothing.Unless you were playing in the Halo 50k tournaments against teams like StK and with people like Dom1, Cyrax, Saiyan, Strangepurple, Clockwork, Walshy, KillerN, you had no real experience.
Ignorance. You have no idea about the skill level or the number of people I've played nor how many hours I've invested or my opponents have invested into Halo.
I do. I can tell your skill level from your posts and your thoughts on the game alone.
.curve wrote:
Everyone I mentioned there doesn't even tsk every time.
I don't even know why that statement was even necessary if you read my post.
.curve wrote:
Watch any gameplay video for a real outlook on how Halo 1 was played.
Here you go. Saiyan. One of the top players in Halo 1.
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Another. Ogre 1 and Ogre 2. Notice in the opening second...a rocket flies by him. Whoa! What a concept.
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Like I said before, many of the best players I played didn't particpate in major tournaments. In some cases not even local tournaments. Some didn't because of transportation issues while others simply because they didn't want too.
I don't see anything impressive about the 1st video.
2nd video just proves my point. The guy at the top just used the pistol and sniper rifle the whole time. Your rocket point is also irrelevant because I previously stated I may or may not use the rocket depending on the map and the number of people playing.
What, you think I'm just some casual gamer and played against many other casual gamers or something? lol
If you want to assume that my experience has no merit because I haven't participated in any major tournaments, go ahead. Ignornace is bliss after all.
The weapon balancing is still the worse in Halo 1.
I can guarantee anyone who thought they were good enough to go to a tournament would have gotten pooped on there. Local LANs or tournaments prove nothing at all. Sure you'll think your friend Jimmy is good. But Jimmy would get bent over by Ogre 1 and not even looked at for a sponsorship.
Nothing impressive about the first video? Hm. I don't see a pistol in his hands. In fact, on that map, most players chose AR+ Sniper or PR + Sniper. Why? Because that combo is better.
I don't disagree with you that the pistol was used the most. But to say it's unbalanced because of that? No. Everyone has one. And pretty much any other weapon out there can counter the pistol. Rockets/Shotgun/AR/PR close range. Sniper long range.
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That Saiyan guy just got lucky there..I don't know how well he plays in other matches because it was only like a min, but that was pure luck. Although that first kill was nice.
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XMoshe wrote:
That Saiyan guy just got lucky there..I don't know how well he plays in other matches because it was only like a min, but that was pure luck. Although that first kill was nice.
Pure luck? Really? Skill, dedication, practice, nerves of steel did that. Not luck.
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That Saiyan guy just got lucky there..I don't know how well he plays in other matches because it was only like a min, but that was pure luck. Although that first kill was nice.
Saiyan was pro at both Halo 1 and Halo 2, not even that, but he was on one of the most dominant teams in the history of competitive Halo during his time playing the game. K? K. Luck? Obviously not.
Da Realest argues like any other halo kid ever has really. He's great, his opponents are great, REAL competitive players who played the game and made money off of it were inferior to him and his team of weekend warriors. understood.
I like how you said yourself you didn't even play much of halo 2/3, but are going to try to come here and compare ALL 3 games? Doesn't really make sense. Go back and get some real experience playing the other two games (competitively) before you come here making such stupid statements.
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In that vid..The first kill was nice, 2nd was nice too, 3rd was a bash in the back. 4th/5th were finishing two people off that were already in a fight and the 6th kill was nicely done again. Yes I call that luck. I'm sure he got skill but in that vid he was just lucky he got them in the back.
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XMoshe wrote:
In that vid..The first kill was nice, 2nd was nice too, 3rd was a bash in the back. 4th/5th were finishing two people off that were already in a fight and the 6th kill was nicely done again. Yes I call that luck. I'm sure he got skill but in that vid he was just lucky he got them in the back.
Skill is what put him in the position to get those kills. He's not just aimlessly wandering the map. He is holding an area. It's called a set up. Professional players run strategies like this. Map control. Teamwork. Skill.
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.curve wrote:
XMoshe wrote:
In that vid..The first kill was nice, 2nd was nice too, 3rd was a bash in the back. 4th/5th were finishing two people off that were already in a fight and the 6th kill was nicely done again. Yes I call that luck. I'm sure he got skill but in that vid he was just lucky he got them in the back.
Skill is what put him in the position to get those kills. He's not just aimlessly wandering the map. He is holding an area. It's called a set up. Professional players run strategies like this. Map control. Teamwork. Skill.
Yeah I got that...But you still have to be lucky to get the people the way they were in that vid...You can't control them to turn their backs to you.
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XMoshe wrote:
.curve wrote:
XMoshe wrote:
In that vid..The first kill was nice, 2nd was nice too, 3rd was a bash in the back. 4th/5th were finishing two people off that were already in a fight and the 6th kill was nicely done again. Yes I call that luck. I'm sure he got skill but in that vid he was just lucky he got them in the back.
Skill is what put him in the position to get those kills. He's not just aimlessly wandering the map. He is holding an area. It's called a set up. Professional players run strategies like this. Map control. Teamwork. Skill.
Yeah I got that...But you still have to be lucky to get the people the way they were in that vid...You can't control them to turn their backs to you.
Of course not. But again, it's all teamwork there. They're focusing on his teammates which puts him in position to make a move.
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Ofcourse it's teamwork...I like to see that because that's hard to find nowadays. >.<
Truth.
Yup. I stopped going for flag runs in halo 1 cuz everytime i get the dam flag my teams doin some shit on some part of the map or waiting 4 me 2 die so that they could get the flag.
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Sacchin wrote:
The dickatry is spreading around on srf faster then the flu.
Da Realest argues like any other halo kid ever has really.
Pretty sure thats how you argue.
iSinnnn wrote:
He's great,his opponents are great, REAL competitive players who played the game and made money off of it were inferior to him and his team of weekend warriors. understood.
I guess reading isn't your strong point.
DaRealest wrote:
Ignorance. You have no idea about the skill level or the number of people I've played nor how many hours I've invested or my opponents have invested into Halo.
And I know right, you aren't competitve unless you're playing and making money off the game.
Go ahead and keep drawing false conclusions.
iSinnnn wrote:
I like how you said yourself you didn't even play much of halo 2/3, but are going to try to come here and compare ALL 3 games? Doesn't really make sense. Go back and get some real experience playing the other two games (competitively) before you come here making such stupid statements.
Of course it doesn't make sense when you lack reading comprehension.
Da_Realest wrote:
haven't played much of Halo 3 but spawn killing was just as much a problem in Halo 1 depending on the map.
Come back when you can comprehend what you're reading.
iSinnnn wrote:
Halo 1 > 2 + 3. Halo 1's balance > 2 + 3.
Spoken like a true Halo 1 fanboy.
.curve wrote:
I can guarantee anyone who thought they were good enough to go to a tournament would have gotten pooped on there. Local LANs or tournaments prove nothing at all. Sure you'll think your friend Jimmy is good. But Jimmy would get bent over by Ogre 1 and not even looked at for a sponsorship.
Nothing impressive about the first video? Hm. I don't see a pistol in his hands. In fact, on that map, most players chose AR+ Sniper or PR + Sniper. Why? Because that combo is better.
I don't disagree with you that the pistol was used the most. But to say it's unbalanced because of that? No. Everyone has one. And pretty much any other weapon out there can counter the pistol. Rockets/Shotgun/AR/PR close range. Sniper long range.
There are always exceptions. I'm pretty sure me and little Jimmy could do fairly well considering that we played from 10am to about 11:30pm daily. 24/7 A few days after it's release. Not because we were preparing for a tournament, getting paid to do so, or whatever, but because it was fun. The only real advantage the pros have comes from teamwork and strategies because when I played it was usually free-for-all. Playing against better players helps you get better faster but that doesn't mean playing the same people 70% of the time means you aren't going to get better. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be far-fetched for me to say that I put in just as much time and practice if not more than the so called pros in Halo 1 and Halo 2.
Let's not forget that many professional gamers started off at local tournaments. When many professional gamers go from local to pro, they usually don't get much better. They were usually good to begin with. They may learn to work as a team, strategies, etc., but as far as how far as reaction time and accuracy, that doesn't change much if any at all. The only real advantage is that you get to play a much higher variety of opponents allowing you to experience many different styles and skill levels of play.
Maybe because he couldn't find a pistol? I think it only spawns at like 1 place on that map. I don't see anything logical about spraying a guy for about 4 seconds when you can just kill in him about 2 seconds. Besides, him and his teammates had the guy surrounded so it was guaranteed that guy was doing to die regardless if he was using a AR or the pistol. I'm pretty sure the video would have been totally different if they all started with the pistol. However, I just noticed that they're playing with radar off. That makes a big difference in terms of what weapons are now feasible to use. In a close quarter map like that with no radar, the pistol isn't the best choice.
I still say the weapon balancing is off. It was like a pure str glaive in silkroad. It wasn't the best in any area but it was the the most versatile and pretty effective. One weapon shouldn't be as versatile and effective as Halo 1's pistol was.
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Da_Realest wrote:
There are always exceptions. I'm pretty sure me and little Jimmy could do fairly well considering that we played from 10am to about 11:30pm daily. 24/7 A few days after it's release. Not because we were preparing for a tournament, getting paid to do so, or whatever, but because it was fun. The only real advantage the pros have comes from teamwork and strategies because when I played it was usually free-for-all. Playing against better players helps you get better faster but that doesn't mean playing the same people 70% of the time means you aren't going to get better. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be far-fetched for me to say that I put in just as much time and practice if not more than the so called pros in Halo 1 and Halo 2.
Let's not forget that many professional gamers started off at local tournaments. When many professional gamers go from local to pro, they usually don't get much better. They were usually good to begin with. They may learn to work as a team, strategies, etc., but as far as how far as reaction time and accuracy, that doesn't change much if any at all. The only real advantage is that you get to play a much higher variety of opponents allowing you to experience many different styles and skill levels of play.
Maybe because he couldn't find a pistol? I think it only spawns at like 1 place on that map. I don't see anything logical about spraying a guy for about 4 seconds when you can just kill in him about 2 seconds. Besides, him and his teammates had the guy surrounded so it was guaranteed that guy was doing to die regardless if he was using a AR or the pistol. I'm pretty sure the video would have been totally different if they all started with the pistol. However, I just noticed that they're playing with radar off. That makes a big difference in terms of what weapons are now feasible to use. In a close quarter map like that with no radar, the pistol isn't the best choice.
I still say the weapon balancing is off. It was like a pure str glaive in silkroad. It wasn't the best in any area but it was the the most versatile and pretty effective. One weapon shouldn't be as versatile and effective as Halo 1's pistol was.
I can tell you that every kid in Halo 2 thought that just because they shined on XBL and local LANs that they could make it in real competition. Most didn't break top 128.
Playing against the same people does not make you better. It makes you worse. You start learning how they play. Their choices, skills, playstyles, strats. You eventually get so used to it that once, if ever, you get to the big time, you don't know what to do when everyone changes shit up.
Protip: They all did start with pistols. Pistols and assault rifles.
Pistol is versatile, yes. But overpowered? Not at all.
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Da Realest argues like any other halo kid ever has really.
Pretty sure thats how you argue.
iSinnnn wrote:
He's great,his opponents are great, REAL competitive players who played the game and made money off of it were inferior to him and his team of weekend warriors. understood.
I guess reading isn't your strong point.
DaRealest wrote:
Ignorance. You have no idea about the skill level or the number of people I've played nor how many hours I've invested or my opponents have invested into Halo.
And I know right, you aren't competitve unless you're playing and making money off the game.
Go ahead and keep drawing false conclusions.
iSinnnn wrote:
I like how you said yourself you didn't even play much of halo 2/3, but are going to try to come here and compare ALL 3 games? Doesn't really make sense. Go back and get some real experience playing the other two games (competitively) before you come here making such stupid statements.
Of course it doesn't make sense when you lack reading comprehension.
Da_Realest wrote:
haven't played much of Halo 3 but spawn killing was just as much a problem in Halo 1 depending on the map.
Come back when you can comprehend what you're reading.
iSinnnn wrote:
Halo 1 > 2 + 3. Halo 1's balance > 2 + 3.
Spoken like a true Halo 1 fanboy.
Hahaha, wow. I don't even know where to begin. I'm the one that argues like every other halo kid? Really now? Why don't you hop on over to bungie.net/mlgpro.com and see how many people there are just like you. Considering themselves and those they play with or against to be near as good, just as good as, or better than the people that are paid to play the game. When really, they have absolutely no idea because they have never played on that high of a competitive level before. Like curve said, unless you went to one of the Halo 50k's where the big boys played, shut your mouth.
Reading isn't my strong point.. oh.. okay. Pretty sure I read that correctly. I just ignored your arrogance. Please, forgive me.
I never said you weren't competitive if you didn't make money off of the games. And i'm the one drawing conclusions here? Obviously you can be competitive and not go to tournaments. But if you were REALLY competitive, you would find a way to go. I didn't really think I'd have to draw that one out for you.
I do comprehend what I'm reading you moron. It's clear as day:
Da_Realest wrote:
Halo 1 was the least balanced of the series.
Da_Realest wrote:
I never played Halo 2 or 3 on live but I'm pretty sure that situation you described soley depends on the map. Either way, plasma pistol+pistol handles most situations in Halo 2. Not to mention that you have grenades. I haven't played much of Halo 3 but spawn killing was just as much a problem in Halo 1 depending on the map.
Da_Realest wrote:
The weapon balancing is still the worse in Halo 1.
It's painfully obvious you don't know what you're talking about. How could you? You didn't even play Halo 2 or 3 on live. But sure, sit there and compare all 3 games even though you only have real experience with one of them. Good call?
Oh, and Halo 1 fanboy? Ahaha. Nah, I just accept the truth. And unlike yourself, I actually have a good amount of experience to go off of with all 3 games.
I can tell you that every kid in Halo 2 thought that just because they shined on XBL and local LANs that they could make it in real competition. Most didn't break top 128.
Playing against the same people does not make you better. It makes you worse. You start learning how they play. Their choices, skills, playstyles, strats. You eventually get so used to it that once, if ever, you get to the big time, you don't know what to do when everyone changes shit up.
Protip: They all did start with pistols. Pistols and assault rifles.
Pistol is versatile, yes. But overpowered? Not at all.
That's cleary where I differ. You can play specifically to beat someone learning their strategies and such or you can play to improve yourself for many different situations. I play for the latter. Trying out new strategies, becoming familiar with all the weapons, testing out many different scenarios, preparing for the unexpected. It's not hard to say, "Hey Jimmy, you stand there with xxx gun and do xxx and I'm going to come around this corner with xxx gun and do xxx." It's nothing new. Professionals gamers/athletes do this sort of thing all the time when they're making preparations and they apply it against familiar and unfamiliar opponents.
And my point about the so called pros starting off at local tournaments is still relevant. Everyone had to start somewhere. They honed their skills through local tournaments and LANs. You know, playing the people that you seem to deem insignificant. The open public major tournaments were just stepping stones for them towards getting a sponsorship and getting to the even greater tournaments. If they weren't already a great player when they showed up at a major tournament, they sure as hell weren't going to leave as one. They may have lost, gathered some experience, and came back better prepared next time but it was rare that there was a big shift in skill unless they were still new to the game or something.
iSinnnn wrote:
Hahaha, wow. I don't even know where to begin. I'm the one that argues like every other halo kid? Really now? Why don't you hop on over to bungie.net/mlgpro.com and see how many people there are just like you. Considering themselves and those they play with or against to be near as good, just as good as, or better than the people that are paid to play the game. When really, they have absolutely no idea because they have never played on that high of a competitive level before. Like curve said, unless you went to one of the Halo 50k's where the big boys played, shut your mouth.
No thanks. Never been there and don't plan on going now.
Because if you aren't playing in a major tournament you haven't experience high level play? I see...
iSinnnn wrote:
Reading isn't my strong point.. oh.. okay. Pretty sure I read that correctly. I just ignored your arrogance. Please, forgive me.
Yea you read it but didn't comprehend it. Arrogance? The majority of my posts in terms of my experience with the game have been so vague in detail that it's futile to attempt to prove me wrong yet you insist on trying anyway.
iSinnnn wrote:
I never said you weren't competitive if you didn't make money off of the games. And i'm the one drawing conclusions here? Obviously you can be competitive and not go to tournaments. But if you were REALLY competitive, you would find a way to go. I didn't really think I'd have to draw that one out for you.
I think it's safe to assume that, "He's great,his opponents are great, REAL competitive players who played the game and made money off of it were inferior to him and his team of weekend warriors. understood." means that anyone who hasn't played for money isn't really competitive. And I don't mean "really" in the same way you just used it.
Also, contrary to your belief, not all competitive players are out to prove something. The reasons behind their competitiveness determines whether or not they would even consider going pro. Personally, transportation was an issue for me and once I learned about how short the average gaming career lasted I didn't care anymore.
iSinnnn wrote:
It's painfully obvious you don't know what you're talking about. How could you? You didn't even play Halo 2 or 3 on live. But sure, sit there and compare all 3 games even though you only have real experience with one of them. Good call?
Because live is the only way to play against many people and gather experience? I see...
iSinnnn wrote:
Oh, and Halo 1 fanboy? Ahaha. Nah, I just accept the truth.
I disagree.
iSinnnn wrote:
And unlike yourself, I actually have a good amount of experience to go off of with all 3 games.
So do I. My experience with Halo 3 is just lacking compared to my experience with the previous versions. I don't own a 360 so I'm not able to play Halo 3 much(Not that I really want too.).
Maybe you think I'm trying to undermine what the "big boys" have accomplished? No.
I don't understand why it's so hard to believe that there are many undiscovered talented gamers/athletes out there. And no, I'm not referring to myself. Whether it's gaming or sports, I'm pretty sure there are people out there who are excellent at what they play and are capable of being legends, hall of famers, or whatever in their area of expertise but won't get the opportunity to do so(Or maybe they simply don't want too). Let's not even mention those who did manage to become hall of famers and legends coming from nowhere, undrafted, etc. But hey, I guess it's natural to trash talk the random person who appears and says what the pro is doing is nothing special or no different than what he/she has experienced.
Anyway, this has become boring and its clear no one here is willing to change their opinion and I've posted more times than I intended to post so I'm done.
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Da_Realest wrote:
That's cleary where I differ. You can play specifically to beat someone learning their strategies and such or you can play to improve yourself for many different situations. I play for the latter. Trying out new strategies, becoming familiar with all the weapons, testing out many different scenarios, preparing for the unexpected. It's not hard to say, "Hey Jimmy, you stand there with xxx gun and do xxx and I'm going to come around this corner with xxx gun and do xxx." It's nothing new. Professionals gamers/athletes do this sort of thing all the time when they're making preparations and they apply it against familiar and unfamiliar opponents.
Telling Jimmy to stand there with xxx gun and do xxx won't make you better. They don't practice on each other. They run strats against other teams to hone their skills. Not the same group of people.
And my point about the so called pros starting off at local tournaments is still relevant. Everyone had to start somewhere. They honed their skills through local tournaments and LANs. You know, playing the people that you seem to deem insignificant. The open public major tournaments were just stepping stones for them towards getting a sponsorship and getting to the even greater tournaments. If they weren't already a great player when they showed up at a major tournament, they sure as hell weren't going to leave as one. They may have lost, gathered some experience, and came back better prepared next time but it was rare that there was a big shift in skill unless they were still new to the game or something.[/color][/quote]
Wrong. Sponsorships are obtained through local tournaments. So if you shined at a local tournament, why wouldn't someone sponsor your way to a real tournament?
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No thanks. Never been there and don't plan on going now.
Because if you aren't playing in a major tournament you haven't experience high level play? I see...
You can't play Little League and expect to compare to the Majors Leagues...
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I can tell you that every kid in Halo 2 thought that just because they shined on XBL and local LANs that they could make it in real competition. Most didn't break top 128.
Playing against the same people does not make you better. It makes you worse. You start learning how they play. Their choices, skills, playstyles, strats. You eventually get so used to it that once, if ever, you get to the big time, you don't know what to do when everyone changes shit up.
Protip: They all did start with pistols. Pistols and assault rifles.
Pistol is versatile, yes. But overpowered? Not at all.
That's cleary where I differ. You can play specifically to beat someone learning their strategies and such or you can play to improve yourself for many different situations. I play for the latter. Trying out new strategies, becoming familiar with all the weapons, testing out many different scenarios, preparing for the unexpected. It's not hard to say, "Hey Jimmy, you stand there with xxx gun and do xxx and I'm going to come around this corner with xxx gun and do xxx." It's nothing new. Professionals gamers/athletes do this sort of thing all the time when they're making preparations and they apply it against familiar and unfamiliar opponents.
And my point about the so called pros starting off at local tournaments is still relevant. Everyone had to start somewhere. They honed their skills through local tournaments and LANs. You know, playing the people that you seem to deem insignificant. The open public major tournaments were just stepping stones for them towards getting a sponsorship and getting to the even greater tournaments. If they weren't already a great player when they showed up at a major tournament, they sure as hell weren't going to leave as one. They may have lost, gathered some experience, and came back better prepared next time but it was rare that there was a big shift in skill unless they were still new to the game or something.
iSinnnn wrote:
Hahaha, wow. I don't even know where to begin. I'm the one that argues like every other halo kid? Really now? Why don't you hop on over to bungie.net/mlgpro.com and see how many people there are just like you. Considering themselves and those they play with or against to be near as good, just as good as, or better than the people that are paid to play the game. When really, they have absolutely no idea because they have never played on that high of a competitive level before. Like curve said, unless you went to one of the Halo 50k's where the big boys played, shut your mouth.
No thanks. Never been there and don't plan on going now.
Because if you aren't playing in a major tournament you haven't experience high level play? I see...
iSinnnn wrote:
Reading isn't my strong point.. oh.. okay. Pretty sure I read that correctly. I just ignored your arrogance. Please, forgive me.
Yea you read it but didn't comprehend it. Arrogance? The majority of my posts in terms of my experience with the game have been so vague in detail that it's futile to attempt to prove me wrong yet you insist on trying anyway.
iSinnnn wrote:
I never said you weren't competitive if you didn't make money off of the games. And i'm the one drawing conclusions here? Obviously you can be competitive and not go to tournaments. But if you were REALLY competitive, you would find a way to go. I didn't really think I'd have to draw that one out for you.
I think it's safe to assume that, "He's great,his opponents are great, REAL competitive players who played the game and made money off of it were inferior to him and his team of weekend warriors. understood." means that anyone who hasn't played for money isn't really competitive. And I don't mean "really" in the same way you just used it.
Also, contrary to your belief, not all competitive players are out to prove something. The reasons behind their competitiveness determines whether or not they would even consider going pro. Personally, transportation was an issue for me and once I learned about how short the average gaming career lasted I didn't care anymore.
iSinnnn wrote:
It's painfully obvious you don't know what you're talking about. How could you? You didn't even play Halo 2 or 3 on live. But sure, sit there and compare all 3 games even though you only have real experience with one of them. Good call?
Because live is the only way to play against many people and gather experience? I see...
iSinnnn wrote:
Oh, and Halo 1 fanboy? Ahaha. Nah, I just accept the truth.
I disagree.
iSinnnn wrote:
And unlike yourself, I actually have a good amount of experience to go off of with all 3 games.
So do I. My experience with Halo 3 is just lacking compared to my experience with the previous versions. I don't own a 360 so I'm not able to play Halo 3 much(Not that I really want too.).
Maybe you think I'm trying to undermine what the "big boys" have accomplished? No.
I don't understand why it's so hard to believe that there are many undiscovered talented gamers/athletes out there. And no, I'm not referring to myself. Whether it's gaming or sports, I'm pretty sure there are people out there who are excellent at what they play and are capable of being legends, hall of famers, or whatever in their area of expertise but won't get the opportunity to do so(Or maybe they simply don't want too). Let's not even mention those who did manage to become hall of famers and legends coming from nowhere, undrafted, etc. But hey, I guess it's natural to trash talk the random person who appears and says what the pro is doing is nothing special or no different than what he/she has experienced.
Anyway, this has become boring and its clear no one here is willing to change their opinion and I've posted more times than I intended to post so I'm done.
Yes, if you haven't played in a major tournament you haven't experienced the highest level play. So it would be pretty ridiculous to try to compare yourselves to the people that have and do very well consistently, when you've just played lans or locals.
I'm not trying to prove anything wrong. I'm trying to say, if you think that Halo 1 has bad weapon balance, fine. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, sure. But to watch you try to compare it to two other games that you even said yourself you have very little experience with, highly annoying. If you want to say that you and your opponents could match up with teams like StK, stroke your ego a bit, idc. No surprise there. 97% of the competitive or former competitive Halo players already do that anyway. Obviously I'm going to call you out on it though.
No, of course XBL isn't the only way to play against others and gather experience. XBC supported Halo 2 as well, and there was LAN, but XBL was by far the main way to play with others constantly, get tons of practice in, and play all kinds of different playstyles and people. All of the pro's played XBL too. And if you never really played XBL, that says a lot right there.
Yeah, I do believe there are undiscovered talents out there. Especially in gaming. However, these days especially, if you are good at Halo 3, you will get noticed. There's too many ways not to. Back in Halo 1, I can believe there was some. Not that they would have won a tournament, but I'm sure they could have done alright. Am I saying you would have? No. Am I saying I would have? No. Do I believe it was a possibility for a select few? Yes.
Anyway, I think you made where you are coming from clear, and I feel I've done so too. Agreeing to disagree here and moving on.
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