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Da_Realest · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2435 **Location:**

FA's are underpowered when it comes to PvP.

Against a WA... Panic Cry then he did the move where he spins around. 2.6k+ hp gone..... I figured he can't be that good, let me go fight him again. Panic Cry, dead.

Against a sFS. Soon as match starts dead. Did move where he throws shield at me. All hp gone.

Oh, I have 700+ def in PvE set. I died in one hit in both PvP and PvE gear.

Crumpets · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 7800 **Location:**

Da_Realest wrote:

FA's are underpowered when it comes to PvP.

Against a WA... Panic Cry then he did the move where he spins around. 2.6k+ hp gone..... I figured he can't be that good, let me go fight him again. Panic Cry, dead.

Against a sFS. Soon as match starts dead. Did move where he throws shield at me. All hp gone.

Oh, I have 700+ def in PvE set. I died in one hit in both PvP and PvE gear.

Panic cry in pvp :s Ah uhmm,

Make sure that people don't use their Ep2 buffs in pvp, basically nay Comp/Trans buffs. Cause it's just no fun using AoS / AoD / etc etc.

A shielder should not be abler to 1 hit you no matter the defence, I reckon he's either buffed by some other player or uses Mortal Bane.

Da_Realest · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2435 **Location:**

Crumpets wrote:

Da_Realest wrote:

FA's are underpowered when it comes to PvP.

Against a WA... Panic Cry then he did the move where he spins around. 2.6k+ hp gone..... I figured he can't be that good, let me go fight him again. Panic Cry, dead.

Against a sFS. Soon as match starts dead. Did move where he throws shield at me. All hp gone.

Oh, I have 700+ def in PvE set. I died in one hit in both PvP and PvE gear.

Panic cry in pvp :s Ah uhmm,

Make sure that people don't use their Ep2 buffs in pvp, basically nay Comp/Trans buffs. Cause it's just no fun using AoS / AoD / etc etc.

A shielder should not be abler to 1 hit you no matter the defence, I reckon he's either buffed by some other player or uses Mortal Bane.

I guess people are different on your version. I haven't fought one warrior that doesn't use Panic Cry.

There was this one sFS I fought who crits me for like 70% of my hp. Don't know if thats normal or not. But yea..., I try to avoid duels against sFS because 1 crit and nearly all my HP is gone.

Fought the sFS that one hits me in the war channel and we had at least 5 people attacking him. We died many times. I think we killed him one or two times when people started using bm2+aura but one time when he used the skill where he threw his shield and everyone dropped... He supposedly has full +7 forcium set so maybe that explains why I wasn't able to do more than 100 damage to him even with AoS.

I heard some FS users turn on Mortal Bane for their first attack and then turn it off afterwards. Maybe thats what he did when I fought him 1v1? Oh well...

I'm probably going to need more amp than an amp chest,2 BoS, and a EoS+6..

EDIT: Oh yea, whats up with the mobs in PF? Why do I miss like 40% of the time? Maybe because I'm using a lapis and topaz orb?

Love · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 5336 **Location:**

is double slotted katana/blade = 20% critic dmg i seing some people chasing after them but i dont recall exactly why they are so good

Crumpets · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 7800 **Location:**

Da_Realest wrote:

I guess people are different on your version. I haven't fought one warrior that doesn't use Panic Cry.

There was this one sFS I fought who crits me for like 70% of my hp. Don't know if thats normal or not. But yea..., I try to avoid duels against sFS because 1 crit and nearly all my HP is gone.

I guess you could just be unlucky and are fighting the sFS's with massive crit damage or a mix of dmg and amp.

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Fought the sFS that one hits me in the war channel and we had at least 5 people attacking him. We died many times. I think we killed him one or two times when people started using bm2+aura but one time when he used the skill where he threw his shield and everyone dropped... He supposedly has full +7 forcium set so maybe that explains why I wasn't able to do more than 100 damage to him even with AoS.

Well he could of had AoD ( Art of Defense ) on. It's what I usually put on when I'm outumbered and then slowly pick everyone off. Gives me an extra 2000 def for 1 minute, but makes me unmoveable. If you suspect he has it on, move away from him and he should not be able to attack you seeing as you are out of his range.

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I heard some FS users turn on Mortal Bane for their first attack and then turn it off afterwards. Maybe thats what he did when I fought him 1v1? Oh well...

I'm probably going to need more amp than an amp chest,2 BoS, and a EoS+6..

I sometimes use Mortal Bane, but it's not really much fun. I crit on anyone about 1.5K with a canon or lance so the fun ends there for me. And well about your amp. Yeah Archer's are so GOD DAMN lethal with a mix of HIGH amp and Dmg.

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EDIT: Oh yea, whats up with the mobs in PF? Why do I miss like 40% of the time? Maybe because I'm using a lapis and topaz orb?

Hmm, weapon choice shouldn't have anything to do with it really. Do you miss in combo or ? Well it could be you might just be unlucky at times and tend to miss more .. or could just be your 'low'? attack rate.

Oh yeah a quick tip if you think someone is using AoD in War / TG etc etc. Use 'Poision Arrow' on him. Poison Arrow is a skill as you should know that is a DoT skill. It disregards a persons defence and just keeps spamming him with dmg. Quite fun to see a FS have to run / die in Aod like that : )[/quote]

Mark. · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 672 **Location:** Italy

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He supposedly has full +7 forcium set

lol? Are we playing the same game?

AFAIK forcium = mithril and NO ONE could EVER afford a +7 mithril set..that's just.. lame! :banghead:

Da_Realest · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2435 **Location:**

I'm pretty sure he was moving so that rules out AoD. Screenshot of him(Not mine.).

So I guess I need more amp and a higher attack rate... I prefer not to combo in PvE unless I'm fighting a single target.

@Love I don't know how much its worth on your server or wherever you play, but double slot weapons are rare.

inky · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 4025 **Location:**

What's up guys?!

Crumpets · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 7800 **Location:**

Da_Realest wrote:

I'm pretty sure he was moving so that rules out AoD. Screenshot of him(Not mine.).

So I guess I need more amp and a higher attack rate... I prefer not to combo in PvE unless I'm fighting a single target.

@Love I don't know how much its worth on your server or wherever you play, but double slot weapons are rare.

Err, wth. You guys allready have a Rank 12 honor guy ? Damn, our version been out ofr 2+ years and we only just starting to get ran k11's rofl.

Yeah and deffinitly get more amp, it works wonders.

~Mark~ wrote:

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He supposedly has full +7 forcium set

lol? Are we playing the same game?

AFAIK forcium = mithril and NO ONE could EVER afford a +7 mithril set..that's just.. lame! :banghead:

Forcium is America's word for Mithril, same as they have the VC boss named as Blazelord and we have Balrog.

Oh and Hey Inky ;p

Mark. · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 672 **Location:** Italy

Crumpets wrote:

Da_Realest wrote:

I'm pretty sure he was moving so that rules out AoD. Screenshot of him(Not mine.).

So I guess I need more amp and a higher attack rate... I prefer not to combo in PvE unless I'm fighting a single target.

@Love I don't know how much its worth on your server or wherever you play, but double slot weapons are rare.

Err, wth. You guys allready have a Rank 12 honor guy ? Damn, our version been out ofr 2+ years and we only just starting to get ran k11's rofl.

Yeah and deffinitly get more amp, it works wonders.

~Mark~ wrote:

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He supposedly has full +7 forcium set

lol? Are we playing the same game?

AFAIK forcium = mithril and NO ONE could EVER afford a +7 mithril set..that's just.. lame! :banghead:

Forcium is America's word for Mithril, same as they have the VC boss named as Blazelord and we have Balrog.

Oh and Hey Inky ;p

how can u know that's a lvl 12 rank guy ?

anyway i know forcium is mitrhil, but how the hell could that guy afford to buy/create a +7 mithril set? :banghead:

Crumpets · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 7800 **Location:**

~Mark~ wrote:

how can u know that's a lvl 12 rank guy ?

anyway i know forcium is mitrhil, but how the hell could that guy afford to buy/create a +7 mithril set? :banghead:

That guy has the 'Knight of Dawn', which means his honor rank is 12. Seeing as from honor rank 11 you get a special title inbetween your guild and name.

Mark. · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 672 **Location:** Italy

Crumpets wrote:

~Mark~ wrote:

how can u know that's a lvl 12 rank guy ?

anyway i know forcium is mitrhil, but how the hell could that guy afford to buy/create a +7 mithril set? :banghead:

That guy has the 'Knight of Dawn', which means his honor rank is 12. Seeing as from honor rank 11 you get a special title inbetween your guild and name.

when will they add those ranks ? i'm still rank 2 anyway XDD

BTW.. i think i should not buy an osm amp dbl slotted set.. too much expensive <.<

should i go for a 1slot non+ ShineGuard ?

Crumpets · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 7800 **Location:**

~Mark~ wrote:

when will they add those ranks ? i'm still rank 2 anyway XDD

BTW.. i think i should not buy an osm amp dbl slotted set.. too much expensive <.<

should i go for a 1slot non+ ShineGuard ?

Allready added ;p

Don't buy 1 slot shineguard, it sucks seriously. Your better off buying really cheap ger .. and then saving up for some good quality gear.

Mark. · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 672 **Location:** Italy

Crumpets wrote:

~Mark~ wrote:

when will they add those ranks ? i'm still rank 2 anyway XDD

BTW.. i think i should not buy an osm amp dbl slotted set.. too much expensive <.<

should i go for a 1slot non+ ShineGuard ?

Allready added ;p

Don't buy 1 slot shineguard, it sucks seriously. Your better off buying really cheap ger .. and then saving up for some good quality gear.

ah, sry,.. i misunderstood ur post.. i thought u meant that we only have lvl 11 rank as max

mh.. as for gear i think that prices are getting too high now.. should i wait for GM back from holiday? XD

Da_Realest · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2435 **Location:**

I don't think the amp is helping...

I'm testing my damage on FGR mobs and my damage has only went up a few points after switching from a 10% crit Lapis Orb+4 to a 7% amp Phersytin Orb+5. Also, my damage only goes up about 40 after equipping my 7% amp suit. Maybe I'm testing damage on the wrong mobs? Or maybe there is something I'm not understanding...

If not, I'm going to sell that orb and get my money back.

Crumpets · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 7800 **Location:**

Da_Realest wrote:

I don't think the amp is helping...

I'm testing my damage on FGR mobs and my damage has only went up a few points after switching from a 10% crit Lapis Orb+4 to a 7% amp Phersytin Orb+5. Also, my damage only goes up about 40 after equipping my 7% amp suit. Maybe I'm testing damage on the wrong mobs? Or maybe there is something I'm not understanding...

If not, I'm going to sell that orb and get my money back.

Well, the way amp works is with high attack / magic. Thus the higher your magic / attack . .the more you notice your amp. I have currently 850 Magic, and around 55% amp. Which means massive attack.

Thing is, you bought a phery orb with amp. As good as amp is, you just sacrificed like 40 magic for the amp which in theory cancels out the amp anyway. If you are going for amp build get it in Forcium orbs. Or, seeing as that's kind of pricey try and get crit orbs with amp Gloves/ Boots/ Suit and higher Honor Rank for Bracelets.

Da_Realest · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2435 **Location:**

Crumpets wrote:

Da_Realest wrote:

I don't think the amp is helping...

I'm testing my damage on FGR mobs and my damage has only went up a few points after switching from a 10% crit Lapis Orb+4 to a 7% amp Phersytin Orb+5. Also, my damage only goes up about 40 after equipping my 7% amp suit. Maybe I'm testing damage on the wrong mobs? Or maybe there is something I'm not understanding...

If not, I'm going to sell that orb and get my money back.

Well, the way amp works is with high attack / magic. Thus the higher your magic / attack . .the more you notice your amp. I have currently 850 Magic, and around 55% amp. Which means massive attack.

Thing is, you bought a phery orb with amp. As good as amp is, you just sacrificed like 40 magic for the amp which in theory cancels out the amp anyway. If you are going for amp build get it in Forcium orbs. Or, seeing as that's kind of pricey try and get crit orbs with amp Gloves/ Boots/ Suit and higher Honor Rank for Bracelets.

Guess I'll sell the orb then.

There are my stats. PvP and PvE

I hope I don't have too much dex... I'm guessing 19% amp isn't enough to solo FT for an FA. lol

Crumpets · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 7800 **Location:**

Da_Realest wrote:

Guess I'll sell the orb then.

There are my stats. PvP and PvE

I hope I don't have too much dex... I'm guessing 19% amp isn't enough to solo FT for an FA. lol

Well your stats seem fine, it just lacks the obvious uber gear everyone wants. 19% amp is a start, it's not bad at all actually but as far as I can see your magic is the bottleneck. I would try and aim for like, 820+ Magic so that your amp would really pack a punch. Also a few more %'s of amp wouldn't hurt ;p.

I guess too solo FT hmm, you would need firstly the 150 Rank up. It's so much easier that way. After that's been done I guess a good 40+ % amp, 840+ Magic and good defense gear as an alternative. 2 sets .. as I see you have is the way to go.

Ahhh, also a quick edit. I see you have prismatic arrow on your skill bar ? That's kind of a no-no. It might not be. .. not too familiar with FA skills but still. That's also come to think of it a big part of being a good archer is your combo. On my blader I was told to have certain skills .. then realized they were actually quite shit. So I made my own PvP / PvE combo and I did a lot better. Same with my new Magic FS. Everyday I'm changing the lvl of my skills, adding new ons, changing the order etc etc.

http://forum.cabalonline.com/forumdisplay.php?f=19

For reference, I'll ask a few of the FA's on vent for a good combo and post here when we're done with tonights TG.

Da_Realest · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2435 **Location:**

Crumpets wrote:

Well your stats seem fine, it just lacks the obvious uber gear everyone wants. 19% amp is a start, it's not bad at all actually but as far as I can see your magic is the bottleneck. I would try and aim for like, 820+ Magic so that your amp would really pack a punch. Also a few more %'s of amp wouldn't hurt ;p.

I guess too solo FT hmm, you would need firstly the 150 Rank up. It's so much easier that way. After that's been done I guess a good 40+ % amp, 840+ Magic and good defense gear as an alternative. 2 sets .. as I see you have is the way to go.

Ahhh, also a quick edit. I see you have prismatic arrow on your skill bar ? That's kind of a no-no. It might not be. .. not too familiar with FA skills but still. That's also come to think of it a big part of being a good archer is your combo. On my blader I was told to have certain skills .. then realized they were actually quite shit. So I made my own PvP / PvE combo and I did a lot better. Same with my new Magic FS. Everyday I'm changing the lvl of my skills, adding new ons, changing the order etc etc.

http://forum.cabalonline.com/forumdisplay.php?f=19

For reference, I'll ask a few of the FA's on vent for a good combo and post here when we're done with tonights TG.

Ahh, ok.

That bar isn't my pvp bar. Its sort of the bar that I mess around on. Here is my PvP bar.

Looks like I'm going to have to do some grinding and hope for some good drops to afford the gear I need.

Mark. · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 672 **Location:** Italy

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Well, the way amp works is with high attack / magic. Thus the higher your magic / attack . .the more you notice your amp.

oh, damn.. i can afford just one or two amp pieces.. so it would be useless for me T_T

should i go for a +6 Osm dbl slotted set ( about 70kk) or wait for a bike drop to sell and then buy an amp set? xD

BrowNTyGeR · **Posted:** Sat Jul 26, 2008 2:12 pm

Quick question crump...for hp extending is it 210hp total if 3 slots?

Like i have this osm shoes of will +140 hp craft with 2 slots filled with hp, if i extend it, will it be
[80][80][50]+140 craft?

And for one slot extending will it be
[80][80]+140 craft?

Btw, i saw this armor suit of will 3 slot on euro, non extended, CRAZYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Crumpets · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 7800 **Location:**

BrowNTyGeR wrote:

Quick question crump...for hp extending is it 210hp total if 3 slots?

Like i have this osm shoes of will +140 hp craft with 2 slots filled with hp, if i extend it, will it be
[80][80][50]+140 craft?

And for one slot extending will it be
[80][80]+140 craft?

Btw, i saw this armor suit of will 3 slot on euro, non extended, CRAZYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY

Yup 3rd slot becomes 50, so 350 HP boots max craft 3 slot. And 300 hp boots max craft 2 slots.

Anyways, yeah that tita aror suit. Guy is sooooooo lucky when he made those.

As for Realest, gimme a bit still kinda busy T_T

Da_Realest · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2435 **Location:**

lol np.

Had my best VC run today. Couple of UCHs, slot OSM Daikatana(which allowed me to get crit increase in my topaz orb), an illusion coral, and a EoG+6.

Thinking about selling my +6 TG set and buying a slot Forcium set or non slot set instead.

Crumpets · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 7800 **Location:**

My FA m8, and a great FA on my server.

His stats + Combo. It rapes me -.-

PvP - http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh60 ... 7-0000.jpg

PvE - http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh60 ... 8-0000.jpg

Da_Realest · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2435 **Location:**

Crumpets wrote:

My FA m8, and a great FA on my server.

His stats + Combo. It rapes me -.-

PvP - http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh60 ... 7-0000.jpg

PvE - http://i253.photobucket.com/albums/hh60 ... 8-0000.jpg

I see... Thanks for the help.

Going to put some dex points into int so I have just enough to wear forcium. Realized def is sort of useless unless you have enough to break a certain point.

EDIT: Saw that I need level 4 carts for the non slot and slot extender low for the slotted forcium... Looks like I won't be wearing forcium for a while.

InsertName · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 2188 **Location:** Canada

lmao i played cabal extreme for awhile and this is the result: (50x rates for 1 week)

nobody sells extract pots so i'm stuck with extra dex and mithril is freaking expensive

Mark. · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 672 **Location:** Italy

omg guys... my guild is going to blow up right now..

our GM is on holiday, our 3 vice-GMs are never online, so we have only 4 Guild Mods, the four of 'em against bot using..

lately a few guild members have been discovered using bot, so our mods asked via msn to our GM what to do.. he told them that after 3 warning these ppl should be banned from the guild

the fact is that the same guild used to exist on SRO too ( i wasn't there.. they didn't play on my server ) and a few guild members of the SRO guild used to bot.. these ppl came in Cabal too and started to bot while the GM ( who is against bot too, ofc ) was on holiday.. and Mods ( none of them used to play SRO, anyway ) won't ban them just because our GM would be disappointed only for the fact he has known these ppl for such a long time <.< one of the Mods pk'ed a few guild members while they were botting... would u do that? i wouldn't ( and no, i won't report them ) and half of the guild ( most botters ) started to whine against him and the other Mods, accusing them not to have respect for the guild members.. i know our mod shouldn't have pk'ed them but i also know these ppl came and destroyed our guild.. i mean.. a guild aparted is nothing in TG, no one would ever want us in TG, everyone would start to whine on Shout and pk every member, even the ones who do not bot ( i'm one of them, i don't bot cuz it is useless in cabal )... that's sick.. no solution will be found before our GM is back <.< if nothing is solved, i will change guild prolly.. the only non-italian guys that i know ( i would never join another italian guild, they are worse than turks on SRO =.= ) are a Procyon dude whom is in a Polish guild ( can't join that, lol ) and a boy whom is in an international guild ( crump, u know him.. it's dx666 ) but he and his guild are Capellas and i think i won't change nation xD dunno if they accept Procyon chars, but i doubt it <.<

just want to share.. i'm angry right now

Mark. · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 672 **Location:** Italy

sry for double post, but no one bumped/replied

so.. i just ranked up to Transcender (yay

) and i would like to know something about upgrade skills/buffs to take

Being a Warrior, i thought about the following upgrade skills HP/Defense/Attack/Attack/Defense Rate/Defense or Hit Rate

about the buffs.. i don't know which ones to take.. i'd take only the most usefule ones for PvE solo or partying cuz i'm not interested in pvp for now :oops:

any advices ?

Crumpets · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 7800 **Location:**

Upgrades shuld ALWAYS be [ HP / Attack/Attack / Defense/Defense / Defense Rate ] Unless ofcourse you are a magic build, in which case it would be 2x Magic.

As for buffs hmm, I would expect all the usual and all the new transcender / completer buffs.

takolin · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 4238 **Location:** Life

Crumpets wrote:

Upgrades shuld ALWAYS be [ HP / Attack/Attack / Defense/Defense / Defense Rate ] Unless ofcourse you are a magic build, in which case it would be 2x Magic.

As for buffs hmm, I would expect all the usual and all the new transcender / completer buffs.

A wiz should never ever ever ever ever get 2 def upgrades. They need two def rate upgrades.
BTW last time I played def on a wiz was overrated.

In PvE they need vamp and HP.
In PvP they need crit, amp and HP.

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