Swimming

Xyzzzy · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 2629 **Location:**

StealMySoda wrote:

@Stace, bear in mind in the US pools AFAIK are generally 25 yards in length not 25m, which is 22.86m. But still 10.6, sounds a bit too good considering you said you didn't do too well in your swimming competition.

I go consistent 12 high to 15 lows in practice when we do sets of 25s and I'm just a freshman. I believe that redkneck does a 10.6 without a doubt.
We have four kids swimming mid-high 21's for the 50Y freestyle,in practice when we swim 25 sets, those kids will go 11-12 seconds each one. We're not even close to being the fastest in the state for that event. The 50y freestyle record for for a high school team in Michigan is a 19.18.

Burningwolf · **Joined:** Jun 2007 **Posts:** 2583 **Location:** :|

ohhh wow
Redneck so your saying breathe every 3 seconds :shock:

i just swim the whole fcking 25 without breathing lol
my time in the 25Y is 13.6 =[
for breast its 17.7 ^.^

Xyzzzy · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 2629 **Location:**

Burningwolf wrote:

ohhh wow
Redneck so your saying breathe every 3 seconds :shock:

i just swim the whole fcking 25 without breathing lol
my time in the 25Y is 13.6 =[
for breast its 17.7 ^.^

I think he might have just been referring to that specific person's situation. In a 50 you generally want to take one or no breaths in your first length, then one every 3-5 strokes on your way back.

Burningwolf · **Joined:** Jun 2007 **Posts:** 2583 **Location:** :|

Xyzzzy wrote:

Burningwolf wrote:

ohhh wow
Redneck so your saying breathe every 3 seconds :shock:

i just swim the whole fcking 25 without breathing lol
my time in the 25Y is 13.6 =[
for breast its 17.7 ^.^

I think he might have just been referring to that specific person's situation. In a 50 you generally want to take one or no breaths in your first length, then one every 3-5 strokes on your way back.

ehhhh
after the 1st 25, i start breathing every other stroke, thats why my time becomes pathetic in the 50, its like a 36 =[
but my breast is also a 36 in the 50 lol

Xyzzzy · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 2629 **Location:**

Burningwolf wrote:

Xyzzzy wrote:

Burningwolf wrote:

ohhh wow
Redneck so your saying breathe every 3 seconds :shock:

i just swim the whole fcking 25 without breathing lol
my time in the 25Y is 13.6 =[
for breast its 17.7 ^.^

I think he might have just been referring to that specific person's situation. In a 50 you generally want to take one or no breaths in your first length, then one every 3-5 strokes on your way back.

ehhhh
after the 1st 25, i start breathing every other stroke, thats why my time becomes pathetic in the 50, its like a 36 =[
but my breast is also a 36 in the 50 lol

How old are you?

Burningwolf · **Joined:** Jun 2007 **Posts:** 2583 **Location:** :|

im 15, yes i know im pathetic >.>

Xyzzzy · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 2629 **Location:**

Burningwolf wrote:

im 15, yes i know im pathetic >.>

do you swim for a team, or a class?

Burningwolf · **Joined:** Jun 2007 **Posts:** 2583 **Location:** :|

Xyzzzy wrote:

Burningwolf wrote:

im 15, yes i know im pathetic >.>

do you swim for a team, or a class?

both

Xyzzzy · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 2629 **Location:**

oh. Your breast time wouldn't e bad if you could hold that for a 100
your 50 free could really use some work

redneck · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 2342 **Location:**

StacE wrote:

redneck wrote:

16 secs

did that when I was 10....

10.6 secs with a wall start for me...nowadays.

If you want to get decent Make sure you breathe every three secs. This will give you the proper hip rotation to move you faster through the water. Make sure you kick and your strokes are even. Don't take a huge breath but take a small quick one with the pocket of air that forms in the water to the right of your shoulder after you take a breath. Timing is everything.

Nice to see you back xyzzy

What a load of bullshit lol.

Where did you learn that BREATHING makes you swim faster? 10.6 seconds breathing every 3rd stroke... lmfao you absolute bullshitter

not to mention push start... Over 50m the olympic swimmers take less than 5 breaths.

If you go that fast push start then you should be up their medalling at nationals ATLEAST for your age... 10.6 push, meaning you can do exactly the same on the way back, meaning you swim 22-23seconds for 50m short course. The recent Australian Olympic trials where the swimmers were wearing the latest suits etc the times were as follows:

=== Finals ===

1 SULLIVAN, EAMON............ 22 WEST COAST..... 21.28*
2 CALLUS, ASHLEY............. 29 REDLA.......... 22.02A
3 NEWTON, JONATHO............ 27 SYDU........... 22.15A
4 TARGETT, MATTHE............ 22 MEV............ 22.37B
5 ABOOD, MATTHEW............. 21 KNGC........... 22.45B
6 RICHARDSON, KYL............ 20 COMM........... 22.69B
6 PROSSER, CAMERO............ 23 MEV............ 22.69B
8 NEUWERT, STEVE............. 23 WESTERN SPRINT. 22.71B

Now, granted that is long course compared to short course.... But when you did your supposed 10.6 you would've been wearing a normal costume, it would have been during training and you wouldn't have been tapoured.
Oh, and to put out there how fast that 21.28 really is, it was a world record that dropped about 5 times within the previous month of competition. It use to be high 21's or something.

Really, unless you can show some site that would prove you can do a time like that (EG. list of your countries national times with your name on it lol) then i call bullshit on your attempt at acting good on teh interw3bz.

mm... Swimming just takes time, the more you train the better you get really. Theres no secret formula, just hours and hours every week in the pool.

Xyzzzy wrote:

TOloseGT wrote:

i much faster do you go if u shave ur hair?

miliseconds, but that can be the difference between 1st and 8th

Thousandth/Hundredth of a second* (highly dependable)

Of course most proffesionals don't bother breathing for a 50 or just take 1 breath. The three stroke techniue is recomended by most coaches as it will help with hip rotation as well as so that the swimmer isn't off balance, his stroke of course isn't off balance. Breathing on both sides gives not only a better hip rotation but also a more even stroke, as well as easier kicking. I recomended it as for practice not in actual races....

For a 100 you probably would be breathing every 5 strokes for a 50 1 or twice or not at all for the 2 laps. And for a 200+ 3 strokes probably.

The 25 is in short course yards. It is without a dive but with a wall start. With a dive it can get me down to 10.1 or 10.2. But of course you're second lap is always going to be slower, unless you negative split your laps. But your turns and walls must be perfect in order to do that. My 50yd time is a 21.9 shaved and tapered. In meters short course that about 24+ secs.

redneck · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 2342 **Location:**

Burningwolf wrote:

ohhh wow
Redneck so your saying breathe every 3 seconds :shock:

i just swim the whole fcking 25 without breathing lol
my time in the 25Y is 13.6 =[
for breast its 17.7 ^.^

By the 3 i meant every 3 strokes. Over time you will get used to it and your strokes will be much more even and stronger, which will push you through the water faster. Your kicking speed will also inccrease

sirs1ayer · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 524 **Location:**

breath every 3 for like 500 +
and every 5 for short races is what we were taught.
then again, that's mostly for practice. when i'm in a race i'm not counting my breaths. i just try not to breathe much.. on a 50.. i breathe like halfway on the 2nd 25 and if really beat again right before the flags.
ps. Redneck's time isn't that amazing. lol. i used to swim a 23.68 before i quit. so whatev.

@original poster: keep your head down(should look at the bottom. or slightly in front of you at the bottom__ Shouldn't ever be looking at the wall). breathe every 3 strokes. Keep your kick steady.
i used to just thrash about and just fcking use up all my energy as fast as possible. As time went on i put more power into my kick. and with my stroke i focused mostly on reaching forward and being able to push as much water as possible with my hand.

If you want to become stronger.. find some paddles(for your hands) and don't kick. you should be able to pull yourself along with out kicking. If you can't do this. then you're technique is messed up.

theblindarcher · **Posted:** Mon Apr 14, 2008 12:09 am

usually i breathe every 4 strokes i think its the damn diving block that is showing me down i go too deep in teh water so it takes a while for me to get bak up

sirs1ayer · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 524 **Location:**

oh haha.
do you do both feet on the edge or 1 foot back one on the edge?

You just got to be not afraid of smacking yourself (stomach and balls) and do a nice jump out.

raysisfenix · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 768 **Location:**

Push you hand down a little faster and dip it with more energy as like you are are reaching for something.

Sovereign · **Posted:** Mon Apr 14, 2008 1:50 am

Ah Yes Swimming. I gave it up now. Doing laps is just boring for me.
However in my prime i did 12.4s on freestyle and 13.8 on breaststroke.
And if i can pass on any tips for racing it would be: <Only if you care about every second.

- Wear a Cap or Shave your head
- Wearing sharkskin is great, for me it shaved a few millisecond off my times. http://www.tri247.com/ext/pic/sharkskin.jpg
- A Good Winning Motivation
- Try to strech out your body as much as you can in the water. So you can gain those extra few cm's :p It all matters!
-Practice Technique!!! In my opinion if you have a good technique then you can focus on building your body/muscles. I think its harder to do it the other way around...

Yeah thats all i can think of right now.

theblindarcher · **Posted:** Mon Apr 14, 2008 2:03 am

sirs1ayer wrote:

oh haha.
do you do both feet on the edge or 1 foot back one on the edge?

You just got to be not afraid of smacking yourself (stomach and balls) and do a nice jump out.

on forrt back one of the edge

StacE · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 502 **Location:**

This whole yard thing is messing me up :S

Dam you americans

And yeh soz redneck lol... Didnt think to think you'd be swimming yards.

agent420 · **Joined:** Jun 2007 **Posts:** 952 **Location:**

StacE wrote:

redneck wrote:

16 secs

did that when I was 10....

10.6 secs with a wall start for me...nowadays.

If you want to get decent Make sure you breathe every three secs. This will give you the proper hip rotation to move you faster through the water. Make sure you kick and your strokes are even. Don't take a huge breath but take a small quick one with the pocket of air that forms in the water to the right of your shoulder after you take a breath. Timing is everything.

Nice to see you back xyzzy

What a load of bullshit lol.

Where did you learn that BREATHING makes you swim faster? 10.6 seconds breathing every 3rd stroke... lmfao you absolute bullshitter

not to mention push start... Over 50m the olympic swimmers take less than 5 breaths.

If you go that fast push start then you should be up their medalling at nationals ATLEAST for your age... 10.6 push, meaning you can do exactly the same on the way back, meaning you swim 22-23seconds for 50m short course. The recent Australian Olympic trials where the swimmers were wearing the latest suits etc the times were as follows:

=== Finals ===

1 SULLIVAN, EAMON............ 22 WEST COAST..... 21.28*
2 CALLUS, ASHLEY............. 29 REDLA.......... 22.02A
3 NEWTON, JONATHO............ 27 SYDU........... 22.15A
4 TARGETT, MATTHE............ 22 MEV............ 22.37B
5 ABOOD, MATTHEW............. 21 KNGC........... 22.45B
6 RICHARDSON, KYL............ 20 COMM........... 22.69B
6 PROSSER, CAMERO............ 23 MEV............ 22.69B
8 NEUWERT, STEVE............. 23 WESTERN SPRINT. 22.71B

Now, granted that is long course compared to short course.... But when you did your supposed 10.6 you would've been wearing a normal costume, it would have been during training and you wouldn't have been tapoured.
Oh, and to put out there how fast that 21.28 really is, it was a world record that dropped about 5 times within the previous month of competition. It use to be high 21's or something.

Really, unless you can show some site that would prove you can do a time like that (EG. list of your countries national times with your name on it lol) then i call bullshit on your attempt at acting good on teh interw3bz.

mm... Swimming just takes time, the more you train the better you get really. Theres no secret formula, just hours and hours every week in the pool.

Xyzzzy wrote:

TOloseGT wrote:

i much faster do you go if u shave ur hair?

miliseconds, but that can be the difference between 1st and 8th

Thousandth/Hundredth of a second* (highly dependable)

redneck is 100% right in his explaination. most coaches do explain breathing techniques like that...especially for beginners, like the topic starter...

and if you read his post about nationals...he didn't do so great because he partied too hard, which is understandable. they should really think about holding nationals in idaho or some shit, not the miami area where partying is a way of life!!!!!!

redneck · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 2342 **Location:**

^its in Maryland next year....which blows....

theblindarcher · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:48 am

hey redneck how long have u been swimming?

redneck · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 2342 **Location:**

7 or 8 years

theblindarcher · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:56 am

redneck wrote:

7 or 8 years

holy shit u must reeeely like it lol

redneck · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 2342 **Location:**

theblindarcher wrote:

redneck wrote:

7 or 8 years

holy shit u must reeeely like it lol

Once you've gone on with it for so long, you must stick with it till the end....I can't see myself doing anything else...

Grimm-.- · **Posted:** Tue Apr 15, 2008 5:21 am

Doppleganger wrote:

Buy an Aquaman suit

L00L

Inuyasha584 wrote:

get a mermaid suit + bra

L00L

...Good luck with that.
Swimming is one of my best sport.
Come to New york and i shall teach you 24-7.(Lies)

:love:

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