what nukes do u use?

penfold1992 · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 4060 **Location:**

ive been told some nukes are good and some are useless so im wondering what nukes do u use?
(chinese nuker)

im more intrested in fire nukes as light i just use the last book all the time but fire?
please comment on all of them

mkzr · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 227 **Location:**

Flame wave hellfire and flame wave wide ftw:D

i dont use light nukes cuz my light nuke is weak, light is 60 :O

SteelPain · **Posted:** Wed Jul 09, 2008 5:06 pm

well i would try fire, and light. cold is weakest but also cold has the snow shield skill which a nuker can use that is very good. i have a fire/light nuker and we was ok but died alot. now a am farming a cold/fire nuker he is doing ok he is lvl 36 atm FF at lvl 32

with sp to burn

Blurred · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 2894 **Location:**

mkzr wrote:

Flame wave hellfire and flame wave wide ftw:D

i dont use light nukes cuz my light nuke is weak, light is 60 :O

I thought light was stronger than fire?

mkzr · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 227 **Location:**

Blurred wrote:

mkzr wrote:

Flame wave hellfire and flame wave wide ftw:D

i dont use light nukes cuz my light nuke is weak, light is 60 :O

I thought light was stronger than fire?

ive seen lvl 90 people doing more damage with the last fire nuke than with the last light nuke, but i dnno :S

penfold1992 · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 4060 **Location:**

some people think wide is useless :S

atm im using the 2nd fire book and 2nd light book, im lvl 56 3gap

at 59 should i use wide or leave it?

JoshPoshMosh · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 452 **Location:**

penfold1992 wrote:

some people think wide is useless :S

atm im using the 2nd fire book and 2nd light book, im lvl 56 3gap

at 59 should i use wide or leave it?

Wide is good for grinding and group pvping because it can hit up to 5 people but for solo pvp i tend to use this nuke less because its slightly more weaker and it has a large cooldown. Though you should get it IMO because it is useful and fun to use.

Adry^ · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 109 **Location:**

wide is the strongest nuke at 90... but its weak till its 80+...

for me wide + hellfire ftw :]

mkzr · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 227 **Location:**

JoshPoshMosh wrote:

penfold1992 wrote:

some people think wide is useless :S

atm im using the 2nd fire book and 2nd light book, im lvl 56 3gap

at 59 should i use wide or leave it?

Wide is good for grinding and group pvping because it can hit up to 5 people but for solo pvp i tend to use this nuke less because its slightly more weaker and it has a large cooldown. Though you should get it IMO because it is useful and fun to use.

mhh it might be weak at lowerlvl but once u get it on lvl 14 and higher it kicks ass

penfold1992 · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 4060 **Location:**

o ill still get it!
i just wont use it lol i have 186k sp at lvl 56 and im doing gr8

mkzr · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 227 **Location:**

Adry^ wrote:

wide is the strongest nuke at 90... but its weak till its 80+...

for me wide + hellfire ftw :]

thats the spirit:D

60 light/cold 90 fire/weapon ?:D

Norain_ · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 785 **Location:**

Blurred wrote:

mkzr wrote:

Flame wave hellfire and flame wave wide ftw:D

i dont use light nukes cuz my light nuke is weak, light is 60 :O

I thought light was stronger than fire?

Maybe you didnt read, His lightning mastery is at lvl 60. obviously hes higher lvl than that and his fire mastery is higher than that so his lightning nukes are weak.

Blurred · **Joined:** Nov 2006 **Posts:** 2894 **Location:**

Norain_ wrote:

Blurred wrote:

mkzr wrote:

Flame wave hellfire and flame wave wide ftw:D

i dont use light nukes cuz my light nuke is weak, light is 60 :O

I thought light was stronger than fire?

Maybe you didnt read, His lightning mastery is at lvl 60. obviously hes higher lvl than that and his fire mastery is higher than that so his lightning nukes are weak.

I said i thought light was stronger than fire. Meaning im asking why is he using fire and not light? Relax.

Backfire · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 434 **Location:** USA

Wide is the strongest nuke... Fire > Light

BloodyBlade · **Posted:** Wed Jul 09, 2008 9:15 pm

Backfire wrote:

Wide is the strongest nuke... Fire > Light

Depends on, when I get powerlvled I'd rather have a nuker who uses light than fire.

Goseki · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 3452 **Location:**

Combined with buffs and thinking about later caps, for a pure int Light > Fire. If you max fire, once the cap comes in odds are you're going to have to drop light unless you like getting 1-hit during pvp. So without light you will lose 15+% of your dmg. I think eventually light will be the strongest nuke when combined with it's buff.

malika69 · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 442 **Location:**

im S/s full farmed ^^

-last light nuke is not to high because is the 1st ..
-hellfire is terrible on pvp/pve ..
-use flame wave wide 18 ( ho yeah ) when you face to mulptiple Vs
-light nuke both are good to kill many mob, pvp, pve (transfert)

dont forget the imbue ^^

sparta_sword · **Joined:** Jun 2008 **Posts:** 249 **Location:**

Lv89 Lightning Imbue
522 ~ 970 (100%)
Lv90 Lightning Nuke
989 ~ 1837 (300%)

Take into mind also the 18% magical increase at lv 88 (at lv 60 it would only be 15%)

Also take into mind a Lion Shout Lv89
866 ~ 1608 (100%)

Lv89 Fire Imbue
658 ~ 1097 (100%)
Lv90 Flame Wave Wide
1060 ~ 1766 (300%)
Lv90 Flame Wave Bomb
1060 ~ 1766 (263%)
Lv89 New Fire Nuke
1028 ~ 1714 (300%?)(Anyone know this percentage?)

Fire Imbue + Flame Wave Wide +15% Magical Increase
=
1976 ~ 3292

Light Imbue + Last Light Nuke +18% Magical Increase
1783 ~ 3312
=
+Quick Lion Shout?
1783 ~ 3312
+
866 ~ 1608
=
2649 ~ 4920

The numbers don't lie.. Light FTW

(Although taking a double nuke from a Fire nuker is going to seriously spank your ass)

Props to all nukers regardless of anything

penfold1992 · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 4060 **Location:**

apparently the wide has a long charge up and cool down time and isnt very good use in pve, should i just use burning? or should i use wide :S

also, is bomb not worth getting then? and hell fire not that good either?

surly the long cooldown times are good but not for use in pve

i want to know whats good for pve mainly as pvp for me is easy atm, i dont get killed unless i get ganked or invisi by wiz.

Backfire · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 434 **Location:** USA

Fire will be more consistent in max damage hit. Light won't. Light won't hit the higher end of the damage majority of time. Fire has a better chance. Fire will always be more consistent in high ending damage. Light is only "20" better in the nuke. But it has a range of about 550 in hitting. The numbers have a 550 difference. Whereas fire has around 300. Parry is always larger then hit ratio. Meaning you will hit lower end of the damage. Lights lower dmg is lower then fire. Fire will stay consistent where light will change up. Sure u nuke 12.5k with light but it could drop to 8k within the next nuke. Where fire could be 12k then 11k or 10k.

fire > light

penfold1992 · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 4060 **Location:**

im using both nukes -_--

fire and light.
i know to just keep using the last light nuke, they hav same cool down and everything BUT what do i use with fire?

ThiefzV2 · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 566 **Location:**

lightning nuke lvl 90 one.

the lightning will reduce your parry and thus make u hit other people a lot harder.

Doppleganger · **Posted:** Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:33 am

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daemon225 · **Posted:** Thu Jul 10, 2008 3:35 am

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what the hell was that it was funny thou lol

Backfire · **Joined:** Mar 2008 **Posts:** 434 **Location:** USA

ThiefzV2 wrote:

lightning nuke lvl 90 one.

the lightning will reduce your parry and thus make u hit other people a lot harder.

They make universal pills... Lewl.

EvilOrder · **Joined:** Jun 2008 **Posts:** 147 **Location:**

can some1 post a pics for how the flame wave hellfire lokks like

CLOT · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 825 **Location:**

sparta_sword wrote:

Lv89 Lightning Imbue
522 ~ 970 (100%)
Lv90 Lightning Nuke
989 ~ 1837 (300%)

Take into mind also the 18% magical increase at lv 88 (at lv 60 it would only be 15%)

Also take into mind a Lion Shout Lv89
866 ~ 1608 (100%)

Lv89 Fire Imbue
658 ~ 1097 (100%)
Lv90 Flame Wave Wide
1060 ~ 1766 (300%)
Lv90 Flame Wave Bomb
1060 ~ 1766 (263%)
Lv89 New Fire Nuke
1028 ~ 1714 (300%?)(Anyone know this percentage?)

Fire Imbue + Flame Wave Wide +15% Magical Increase
=
1976 ~ 3292

Light Imbue + Last Light Nuke +18% Magical Increase
1783 ~ 3312
=
+Quick Lion Shout?
1783 ~ 3312
+
866 ~ 1608
=
2649 ~ 4920

The numbers don't lie.. Light FTW

(Although taking a double nuke from a Fire nuker is going to seriously spank your ass)

Props to all nukers regardless of anything

before u do all the maths and show statistics to try to convince ppl, make sure u have all the right data 1st !

1. flame wave wide 90 is 330%, NOT 300%, hellfire is 315%, NOT 300% as well (if u take those data fr mmosite, its WRONG)

2. piercing force is % mag DAMAGE INCREASE, NOT % mag attack power increase directly from a nuke, ur formula are all erroneous

90 fire,60 light > 90light

Atomsk wrote:

Fizle_NL wrote:

Ok, first of(f?) all thanks for the replies.
Second, in my opinion, light is just import cuz of the buffs and speed right?
So i could go 90 heuksal/90 fire/ 70 ice/ 60-50 light, for the walking speed.

How about that, cuz i think that light isnt that important. Only thing it does, is adding a little % to your magical attack, but the nukes of fire are hitting bit higher anyway. And the speed.. of course.

So my most import skills will be:
Fire nukes,
mana shield,
gras walk,
light nukes,
some heuksal

no actually lvl 90 light nuke is slightly stronger than fire lvl 90
light is sterkste.. kijk maar op lvl 1 char als je light open doet op lvl 30 light nuke en dan fire, and fire is slow.. the meteor one but ur call

juz to prove to u that 90 flame wave wide > 90 light nuke

Stress wrote:

My term of comparison was my lv 70 S&S nuker. I had Horse's thunderbolt and compared it to Flame wave Wide and Flame wave burning.

Maybe it's a different story at level 80, but that was what I found. Also, you can see that the damage RANGE of lightning is larger than that of fire.
Here are some facts on the maxed nukes:

Horse's thunderbolt lv 6: 728 - 1352 (300%)-> difference = 624
Flame wave Wide lv 13: 780 - 1300 (330%) -> difference = 520
Flame wave Burning lv 18: 709 - 1182 (300%) -> difference = 473.

It would make sense that the fire nuke hits more stable at level 80 too, but maybe experience proves otherwise.

Trust LockStar on this one, though. I've been just level 70, whereas he is 80.

EDIT: here are the nuke facts at level 90:
<credits to Konpaku website for this>

Book 5 fire nuke - lv 89: 1028 - 1714 (315%) -> difference = 686
Flame wave wide - lv 90: 1060 - 1766 (330%) -> difference = 706
Level 90 thunderbolt: 989 - 1837 (300%) -> difference = 848

This is where my claim finds support. It might be the other way around effectively in game, but the numbers seem to support what I said. Note that I did not take into account the "%" increases for each nuke. They might just make the difference between how hard the different nukes hit.

Conclusively, only game experience can tell.

and fire imbue + 90 flame wave wide > light imbue + 90light nuke
its more than enough to offset the 3% mag dmg u lose for light 60 compared to light 90
3% x (assuming) 15k dmg = juz 450 dmg

been said 10000000000000 times, lazy to type again so i juz searched bac my own post

radko55 · **Joined:** Jun 2008 **Posts:** 48 **Location:** my home

I think this would be good for a powerfull atack if not blocked or damage reduced ur strongest light nuke if farmed , hellfire,wide and bomb repeat fire nukes and bomb as often you can.

MixTape · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 449 **Location:**

Lightning gives you mag att power increase buff , remember?

Fiction · **Posted:** Thu Jul 10, 2008 1:49 pm

penfold1992 wrote:

im using both nukes -_--

fire and light.
i know to just keep using the last light nuke, they hav same cool down and everything BUT what do i use with fire?

How are you not getting it... Flame Wave Wide = Strongest nuke in pvp or PVE. You use it first attack then you either do sword skills, or you can do 2 other nukes inside the cool down time. Then you can repeat all over again until w/e you are fighting is dead.

What I'm saying here is if you want to be a fire nuker FWW is a must have.

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