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ok weve seen people talk about this in nearly every seprate room but i think its time theres a post just for it. Ok im talking about the flaming and bot accusations going mad. Ive seen countless amount of good natured posts get turned into flaming masacres or bot accusation heaven. I respect the forum and mods are trying there best but it seems to me people are just ignoring you. just click a few of the threads in the silkroad section and im pretty sure you will find someone either:

Flaming
Bot Acusastion
Third Party Accusation
Stealing the post and going totaly off topic
Just being a moron

Im sure alot of people like me are getting fed up with this. New people join and make genuine posts in hope that people can answer it with a reasponable and relevant answer. Not to be scared to death and be treated like a wanted criminal. Im finding myself saying in threads everyday about how some people are being stupid and unhelpfull to peoples questions. Im asking the mods come down harder on these people becuase from what i can see there ignoring and laughing at you. A number people will agree that this forum is starting to go downhill and unless something is done this will happen to a point of being uncontroulable. Personally this is my favourite forum i enjoy trying to help the people where i can and answer questions relevently and that this forum DOES also provide alot of information that helps with the game.

Im not complaining saying you are not doing your jobs mods, that is not the purpose of this post. I want people to respond RELEVENTLY and not to be filled with flames both with support to what i say and anything you disagree with.

ICE

Thanks for your post ICE
As you say yourself the mods are doing their very best to clean the forumchat of accusations and other offtopic posts. They are enforcing the forum rules in every way they can. The moderating team cannot 100% read all posts made on SRF. That's why we've introduced a 'report-button' a while ago (red exclamation mark on the lower right of posts). Users can notify moderators of rule violations. You can help SRF this way.
I hope you understand the team doesn't intentionally let slip the forum rules.

We've recently had number of resignations in our team and are having a bit of a hard time keeping out monitoring the forums.

We really really encourage you to use the report button if you find any offensive posts just to help us point out which threads needs to be cleaned and those who are behaving like a 13year old flame machine can be warned and so on.

I know we're asking for your help on this but it does really help us, so we appreciate every reports you make.

thanks for taking the time to reply to my post . in all true and honesty i didnt know thats what the exclemation mark was for. now i know better and will use as appropiate.

thanks again

Great Point to bring up Ice hopefully people will change their behavior.

I said it before and I'll say it again:

Nobody needs leet mod powers to make SRF a better place.

-edited complete post out, to make some more sense-

Out of all the the rubbish posted about SRF ever since the Exposed Botters section was built, this is one where I feel like replying.
The reason people say that, is, according to me, for a very simple reason. There are a lot of active SRFers who get banned here, and just look at how many NON-sro players are still here. It says something, doesn't it?

Anyway, there have to be rules. Without rules this place would be a mess. Look at the world, could you imagine it without laws? It would be a chaotic place where nothing would be 'normal'.

Then again, do you honestly think that the people who get banned, actually WANT to be banned? They just get their old accounts banned
simply because their cover was blown, and oh noes, they don't want that now do they. This place is a magnet, to hundreds of people. There are even WoW players who browse this forum for multiple hours a day, including me. There are even people who don't game at all. But still browse this magic place multiple hours a week!

The people who get banned will just make a new account and start fresh because they don't want people knowing their a botter. Deep inside they know it's wrong. That's humanity for you right there.

I've been reading this forum since early '06 and the only difference was that there were less people posting, which creates a more tight community and more close e-lationships between certain people. Just stating this, simply because people always say "this forum isn't what it used to be". And it pisses me off . Hell, half of them probably didn't even read this forum back in the old days.

Oh and, I'm very aware of the fact that the first page in GD is generally growing. It now goes well over 1 page daily.

Forum going downhill? Nah, it's not. It's the people that get banned who say this just because their pissed off and know its wrong to be a botter. Not to even bloody mention them saying "I have a life, I don't want to press 1/2/3 all day long" That is just retarded and I could seriously inflict pain in those situations. Such a utterly stupid thing to say. Bah.

Just think of a normal day, you HAVE to read SRF. I spend at least 1 hour a day on this forum and I don't even touch SRO. Does that not say enough? I HAVE to be here. There is something about this place that attracts people. Especially me, since I'm not really a forum person. And this goes for dozens of people on here that's just a fact.

Without rules, this place would be a mess. Period.

Look at the mod team. Their all intelligent people and to be honest, they are doing an excellent job in keeping this baby rolling just perfect. What also pisses me off is that people always make these stupid comments on a mods reply, whether its an off topic subject, or a exposed botters topic. Mods aren't robots, their humans. Give them a god damn break for willing to spend their precious time in this cyber world, just so YOU can enjoy spending your time on here.

Yeah I know, I get pissed off a lot about botters and the birds and the bees around it, with their retarded statements

This is my personal view on the situation and IMO, it's a pretty good one. Maybe you think I take this a little far and all, that's just because I'm as pure legit as they come. But I can't appreciate people, that don't appreciate stuff they are given (access to).

This just needs to be put out there to end this bullcr*p.

people can say that if they want, I have that opinion too. Just because people have been around since 2006 doesnt mean they can act like they know what they are doing. Ive been here for a little more than a year, and even that is enough time to know that the forums were better before.

The forum doesnt stay young, it grows as you get older, so your going to find more and more people that you thought weren't "old" talking about the history of the forums whether its in a good or a bad light.

I'm not saying they can't act like that, just stating it pisses me off. How were the forums 'better'? Explain this to us.

It was on the opposite side of the spectrum of what is now. ICE posts that theres flaming and bot accusations right now. Did we have any of that even 6 months ago? No one really paid attention to botters, they simply complained about botting as a whole. As for the many topics that get flamed, we simply have too many new people who dont read the rules, and older users either leaving SRF or not as posting much as they used to.

Also, you have to note that flaming has always been around. Bot accusations started up because of SRF making the "exposed botters" section. The good thing about this is that we can ban anyone who bots, regardless of how the forum views them. Another good thing is that we can have a cleaner forum.

however, on the flip side, it creates the attitude that "all botters are gay and if there is any chance that someone bots, they bot". So thats why you have new people starting up everytime they think someone bots. The people here now have a shifted attitude of a more negative stance against bots so they are going to try to find bots. SRF also encourages users to look for closet botters. Most of them dont know how to do it the right way, they just like to boost their ego by pointing out people that they think they bot.

Exactly what I thought you'd say.

So if the older days were better, how come we now have more members? If this really is such a shit place then why do you even post here?

There are facts laying in the open here, they must not be obvious enough for you to see them and acknowledge them.



On your first part in quote above. Please state what exactly is so bad, that you have (not) mentioned? Bot accusations will indeed always be there. That's a fact. However, what people fail to realize, (and I think this includes you), is that it IS actually cleaner and there is LESS flaming around. Do you even correctly remember how it was before the Exposed Botters section? Tale in mind that half of the flames are removed before you, and me, even get our eyes on it. Mods have taken steps, harder rules, and better punishment and it did one hell of a job. That's just the bottom line in all of this. People flamed all over the forum and it was always about botters. There have been a few long assed topics about this, and steps were taken, the Exposed Botters section was created. I don't have any examples off the top of my head but it's just a fact. GD was a mess and the EB section most definitely cleaned up a lot of stuff, not to mention, that at the same time, all flames were direct towards one section and mods observe it 24/7 so accusations/flames can be nuked. - apart from flames in GD topics etc.-

Second part didn't make much sense to me.

whoa fast reply! did you read everything that I wrote?

And more members doesnt mean anything but the fact that the forum is growing. It doesnt have anything to do with the quality of it. Theres a lot of accounts out there that are just made and not used at all. A lot of SRO players just want to read the guides and ask questions here about SRO.

And dont misunderstand me, I dont think this is a "shit place" as you put it. Im just explaining why I think theres so many flaming and bot accusations today.

Edited my post above your last from quote on.

Quality doesn't have anything to do with quantity? Ohh I don't think so. Simple example, although not ideal, take meatspin. You know what it is, I know what it is. In all honesty, have you ever visited the website? I haven't because I heard from people its bullshit .
If this is such a bad place then why do more people join? If it was, it would spread over the entire SRO community in no time and it would end up dead very soon. Just think of it,
"hey, you post at SRF right?"
- 'yeah'
"I want to make an account there and post/look around, what do u think?"
- 'nah don't do it, it's a mess in there, full of flames and accusations, you don't wanna be there. Not worth your time'.

Anyway I'm not saying you think this is a shit place, I'm putting this all as a general thing.

not neccesarily, people dont talk about forums ingame. I never saw anyone talk or even know about SRF for the 1 and a half years I played. A lot of SRO enthusiasts just look at guides, character skills, etc. for help in the game. How many of the newer members asking questions in "characters skills" are posting in the OTL? not many. Most are just interested in the game.

When I played the game I didnt even pay attention to the OTL, it was only after I quit did I look for other things to do in SRF.

Again, just because more people join doesnt mean they can see all the drama here. Do you think a guy with a new account reading any of this stuff understand whats going on? You dont get a sense of whats going on until you've posted a bit in OTL or site discussion. Just because people join doesnt mean they instantly figure out what flaming is, who blackfox is, what EB is, or hell, even what botting is.

I've caught plenty of conversations about SRF in game.
There are different examples for quantity having something in common with quality. If you can't figure these out it ain't my problem.

Either way I could go on for days, you're just not getting the point.

Which is really simple and straight forward.

Exposed Botters section DID clean up the forums. It DID keep the flames in one section and it DID improve these forums. Mods do a great job people just don't realize how well they do it. It's just the idiots that have to be like "srf sux ballz with your own little war on bots, it's all about flames and botting and other bs in here".

Seriously it's just like BF, every1's always like "OMG ryO = SERCRET BLABLA FOX" and all that crap. Why? Is he cool? Since when is a non-english speaking 'obvious-stating' botter cool? Seriously, all BF does is state the obvious by quoting people and make some shitty pictures of a fox with some bad grammar all over it. And just repeating in his own shitty language and there BOOM you have it, whole topic hijacked by people quoting BF. It's a god damn joke.

The flaming thing is almost exactly the same, one caught botter goes like "srf went downhill its all about flaming and bot accusations". From that point people will just abuse it and state it themselves.

BOTTOM LINE IS:
This is the games fault, not the forums. Blame the game, not the mods.

Just a thought but are there any old members that might be able to and like the idea of being a mod? If you are having trouble keeping up with everything and lost mods perhaps it would be a good idea to find some new ones? I'm still new though so I have no clue if you would want to do that or if there are any options available for new mods.

@Twysta
It DID not keep the flames at all in one section, Have seen alot more then before so its BS what you say Twysta.

And are you a launguage racist Twysta? So what I wrote like I did before I am alot better now then before, more then you think. So stop this really.
And it was not a crap at all what I did with the pict and all was the true so what. and I did not only quoting people, but you dont want to understend was more easy to show what I meant and what I answer to. btw stop this about B** thing I farking never did. And it is still You dont know if I am a he or she, dont be so sure.
So Seriously Twysta the same Dont say nonsens.

bye fox.

That is definitely being considered. And chances are we might be looking for new mods very soon. At this stage, we do have enough mods to keep the forum running if all of us globals take some time and browse through those threads, but what I meant was,

This is a forum where all of us contribute to.

So if you find a post with inappropriate content, report, and not flame.

The fact is if the users of the forum wouldn't come on board with us to make the forum better, it doesn't matter how many mods we have. People will still flame, but instead if they just report the post, it'll be a win-win mutualism situation. If you get what I mean.

How nice of you to stumble in, foxy.

Let me just make my point clear.

Oh on a little sidenote about this place being so bad.

Blackfox has been banned how many times now? Must be at least 50. It's been 9 months as been stated by Milly. Why would even HE come back here?

Sorry to be so hard on you fox, but you're no longer a part of this community.

yes I hold that opinion too. On a further note, I cant stand those SRFers who pay joymax $300 and then complain about the bots and gold bots. If the game sucks, just quit. An excuse like "I stay because of my guild" is just so ridiculous.

And, if SRF is big enough to reach a lot of people in-game, it should switch to petitioning Joymax for better service and gameplay. If it has that much influence, might as well inform the SRO community of the game's problems regardless of whether people know it or not.

The exposed botters section is a good idea. But the problem is that it just makes us feel good on the outside. Trying something like a petition is a lot more broad.

fly tried getting people to make a petition, guess what happened. what happens ingame does effect srf. the EB section DID clean up a lot of useless topics about he bot/she bot. botters have no place on SRF cuz this is a legit community. i dun give a shit if those botters are nice ppl irl, they bot, they won't be able to participate. it's that simple.

Taken from "Heroo" in "deep.in"'s admission topic in the EB section.

Couldn't be said any better.

Source

It's like this on every forum, I can assure you.
Just a current "thing" on the net.

Certain people however, always fail to post something constructive or ontopic.

Its usually 2 pages of discussion + things off-topic. And then it seperates into people who continue the discussion and people who goes off-topic.

There's really nothing much we can do to stop the spammingness and sometimes little jokes really shape the community. What we can do is, if you feel like a thead's been corrupted, the mods can split the spam and normal discussion.

The change in the "spirit" of the forum is directly related to its size, and the state of the Silkroad Online community on the whole.

People hold on to the "tight nit community" it once was, where 50 people were kind and caring, and 2 assholes got banned and stayed banned. Mods actually had time to read through every thread, because there wasnt nearly as many threads.

When I created the forum rules, I acknowledged the fact I am not Joymax, I cannot punish people for things they do that isnt related to the forum in some way.

I can ONLY regulate the content and behavior on MY forum. This somewhat was translated as a 'dont ask dont tell' environment, rather than what it really is.

The simple fact that I did not step beyond my jurisdiction and "hunt" people ingame for botting then punishing them on the forum, and at the same time enforced rules about flaming and accusations, gave certain others the impression that SRF "protects botters." This is where the conflict lies, and if you ask the site creator (Hi) I'd still say I am not Joymax, and hunting down the cheaters isnt my job. Keeping content appropriate for the forum is.

This soured the community in several ways.

Because of not stepping outside jurisdictions, half the forum botted but just didnt talk about.

Because of not stepping outside jurisdictions, the other half got mad and said we protect botters.

The minute a non botter is reprimanded for flaming or accusation of someone they believe is a botter, drama hits the fuckin ceiling and its tears and protest and emobutthurt feelings.

Then SRF took a more active stance on botting simply to take a more clear ruleset of "Do not cheat on this board."

One half is in uproar because half our readers bot.
One third is in uproar because they think its wrong.
One third is in happy land.

Bottom line?

Read this and read it damn good.

You will never have a bot free community until Joymax steps up and fixes the problem permanently themselves. You can only "deal" with it in the meantime.

Accusations, flaming and harsh feelings about botting will always occur, until Joymax steps up and fixes the problem permanently themselves. The forum is MADE of the community. Do not point at the forum and say it has gone sour. Silkroad Online has. And it will be sour until people who have the power to fix it do something.

When someone got caught botting back then, the whole community would be in awe. There would by hype, screenshots, social outcast. It was a huge ordeal. Everyone would hear about it.

When this forum was happy land where everyone treated eachother nicely, only like TWO PEOPLE per server botted. Not half the damn game.

And thats not our fault.

Could that be related to the fact, that anyone cool in OTL with half a mind thats interesting to talk to gets banned from the board, because they said something "not nice" about the retarded people who post nonsense but dont technically "do anything wrong"?

It could.

Hai. Sorry for posting nonsense but your posts are so rare that i felt like replying to you. Your absence is part of the problem too imo Ppl are scared of you Ô Ryoko. And i miss ur posts. Post more. plýs

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