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Is the cap 100+ the end of legits?
Yes. No way to lvl or farm like botters can do. 24%  24%  [ 33 ]
No. Legits will never end. 30%  30%  [ 42 ]
Sro already died. 46%  46%  [ 64 ]
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At this point in SRO, there are very few true innocents left. The cost is low.

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At this point in SRO, there are very few true innocents left. The cost is low.

Long time no see night. I see things haven't gotten any better here. IMO most legits were wiped out by mid-late 70 cap. Its really sad actually. Thinking of all the times I grinded alone and comparing it to how many times I actually grinded with friends.... Its like a single player game you'd find on your PS3 or 360.

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Yes, SRO died months ago.

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At this point in SRO, there are very few true innocents left. The cost is low.

Long time no see night. I see things haven't gotten any better here. IMO most legits were wiped out by mid-late 70 cap. Its really sad actually. Thinking of all the times I grinded alone and comparing it to how many times I actually grinded with friends.... Its like a single player game you'd find on your PS3 or 360.



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legits were pretty much done with by 70 cap.... HEY TO ALL WHO REMEMBER ME

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There are no end of legits or cheaters/ botters until JM close the game. all games are same there will be ppl want to cheat in the games and some want to play the games as they supposed to be play. If you think legits are winning or cheaters are winning then you are abit navie (spelling?) :shock:


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Im curious about which rule you find to be so strict?

I don't even play anymore but I think I know some of the ones he refers to. It is similar to what makes many christians hypocrites. But I ain't here to witness so enough on that tangent. One that tends to stick in most peoples craw are the ones like the rules against any association with botters or even treating them like people. Yeah I don't like botters and am not afraid to say that they cause most of the problems on SRO and are ultimatly the reason I left. Stuff like that yes does drive them from your server but it also gives the rest who play a bad name and rather than reduce the sentiment to bot actually increases solidarity on the botters part agains real players. Spawning an environment where it is "us against them" and there can be no understanding or conversation. Rather than fixing the situation it exasperates it and makes things worse.

Yeah it is great now but you can be sure you will not keep them down forever. At some point a few having overcome the challenges of grinding will actually look for a challenge or pet project and venus et all will be tops on the list. And you will not be able to stop em. Even the most "legit" of servers will fall if the publisher does not do anything effective ever. And joymax never will. Of that we can be sure. Sure some people admire the efforts you have put into venus etc. But there is a reason some of us don't come to venus beyond leaving char behind. I have not been on my char for almost a year so leaving it behind is not an issue. lol but I still am not going to venus even though I have many who once called me friend there. We just gotta get over it and to the point that really SRO is dead and has been dead some time now. Venus is on intensive life support and the moment it is removed will quickly succumb to the death of every other server. Those that value the time they waste lol will move to greener virtual pastures. Meh but I dun play SRO anymore so what do I know.

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i have seen some1 saying we need to capture more then 1 server like Venus . and seen Nightbloom giving him +1 . So my question is for what are we waiting ? We need a Leader not a junk idiot who says ok lets go we make legit guild bla bla bla . Im SPeaking of leader True leader who knows what to do i situations , Bad and Good . Who is ready to be that leader ?!

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legits were pretty much done with by 70 cap.... HEY TO ALL WHO REMEMBER ME


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If Venus is the most legit I'll pluto right now. People back in the day use to have code names for bots or deny it but after a year from SRO i see 99% of ppl above 60 bot. I can barely get a kill at takla as a blader it pisses me off. Thats why i went to Eos but i gave up there i saw it changing raipidly. I met a guy from VEnus on that server talking bout "Avalon" but at the moment i didnt care. I remember when i first logged into Pluto i hated it asap but i stayed and idk y. I have friends but seem like bottters pwn on Pluto high levels I mean or freaking TAXIS I HATE THE WHOLE POWERLEVEL BULL CRAP. Who invited that I wish i could bitch smack them. "o plz play the game for me o plz!" Its only good for farming but ppl abuse the hell off of it. When i think why i play SRO its because i quit on Rome at lvl 71 and i said i wanted lvl 90. At lvl 63 on Pluto with the bots i get around 15-20% a day with prem. Kinda sad. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:


So yes legit been over 2 years ago when i started on Alps. Sometimes i dont blame them the level is semi hard. O Yeah ppl don't party on Pluto its as rare as a blue moon. All i see is LTP LTP thats y i made chinese character only then that :roll: i would made euro for sure

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AkillerNXC wrote:
EwwBabel wrote:
legits were pretty much done with by 70 cap.... HEY TO ALL WHO REMEMBER ME


Go back to your hole. Your kind is unwanted.


He was right you know ...... 60cap only lxy macro bot, isro/sm only got wide public way after that.

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[stupid idea]I'v wondered this for a while now, but perhaps JM dont intend you to be fufa, mabye they just expect you to get a few skills from each tree, like a cleric who just has heals and no buffs, or a blader who doesnt have stabs?[/stupid idea]


Actually that is not a stupid idea but you realized how was sro intended to be played.
It was planned that 8ppl teams go and grind.
If you look at the euro chars mastery they got 3weapon/3element/... in 1 mastery.
It was never planned by jm that every skill tree should be maxed.
(healer cleric/buffer cleric/ice wiz/light wiz/fire wiz/..)


I been saying that since lvl 1 dude 2 and 1/2 years ago. Even if chinese worked together 8 man pty i bet it will be 3 times faster cuz higher lvl mobs could get killed at a faster rate. I think Euro was made to show us that. I believe people are somewhat making the game more complexed. I mean even a chinese only need 1 weapon and 1 force and eventually it will happen.

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i have seen some1 saying we need to capture more then 1 server like Venus . and seen Nightbloom giving him +1 . So my question is for what are we waiting ? We need a Leader not a junk idiot who says ok lets go we make legit guild bla bla bla . Im SPeaking of leader True leader who knows what to do i situations , Bad and Good . Who is ready to be that leader ?!

I think legit players should do that. The real question is how? Also im not racist but Turks(most of them) will be a problem. If people truly believe this is the best thing to do then i will support THIS 100%. SRO is an amazing thing the 3 main problems are lag(due to traffic) bots( the cause of the traffic) and ecomony. If Venus is that server I'll join whenever this starts. :love:

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SoAyame wrote:
XesoS wrote:
i have seen some1 saying we need to capture more then 1 server like Venus . and seen Nightbloom giving him +1 . So my question is for what are we waiting ? We need a Leader not a junk idiot who says ok lets go we make legit guild bla bla bla . Im SPeaking of leader True leader who knows what to do i situations , Bad and Good . Who is ready to be that leader ?!

I think legit players should do that. The real question is how? Also im not racist but Turks(most of them) will be a problem. If people truly believe this is the best thing to do then i will support THIS 100%. SRO is an amazing thing the 3 main problems are lag(due to traffic) bots( the cause of the traffic) and ecomony. If Venus is that server I'll join whenever this starts. :love:


Well as u see no1 respons , i mean they are statisfied like it is now . I hope They Will do on other server like they did on Venus . im waiting , im in for 100%

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XesoS wrote:
SoAyame wrote:
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i have seen some1 saying we need to capture more then 1 server like Venus . and seen Nightbloom giving him +1 . So my question is for what are we waiting ? We need a Leader not a junk idiot who says ok lets go we make legit guild bla bla bla . Im SPeaking of leader True leader who knows what to do i situations , Bad and Good . Who is ready to be that leader ?!

I think legit players should do that. The real question is how? Also im not racist but Turks(most of them) will be a problem. If people truly believe this is the best thing to do then i will support THIS 100%. SRO is an amazing thing the 3 main problems are lag(due to traffic) bots( the cause of the traffic) and ecomony. If Venus is that server I'll join whenever this starts. :love:


Well as u see no1 respons , i mean they are statisfied like it is now . I hope They Will do on other server like they did on Venus . im waiting , im in for 100%


I already made a character on Venus and I met SuicideGirl in the first five minutes and now in his academy. Pure Cleric for now. My character name is MsCleric. I can already tell its better then Pluto only thing hold me back is a couple of friends on Pluto. I will log in and tell them about this today.

Hell just come to Venus im only lvl 10 lol. Doesn't hurt to check it out. :D

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i started play this game cose i love how it looks.i think ppl who play the game have 2 options from begining.be honest and fairplay or not.i personaly love handgrind,it relax me.and i don`t really care what other players do.100cap..w8 me i am ready. :D :D :D and is impossible to bann all boters imagine how much money joymax will lose.but from time to time will be funn to bann 60% of server .i am curious how many will start over with enw char and learn the lesson.
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Im curious about which rule you find to be so strict?

I don't even play anymore but I think I know some of the ones he refers to. It is similar to what makes many christians hypocrites. But I ain't here to witness so enough on that tangent. One that tends to stick in most peoples craw are the ones like the rules against any association with botters or even treating them like people. Yeah I don't like botters and am not afraid to say that they cause most of the problems on SRO and are ultimatly the reason I left. Stuff like that yes does drive them from your server but it also gives the rest who play a bad name and rather than reduce the sentiment to bot actually increases solidarity on the botters part agains real players. Spawning an environment where it is "us against them" and there can be no understanding or conversation. Rather than fixing the situation it exasperates it and makes things worse.

Yeah it is great now but you can be sure you will not keep them down forever. At some point a few having overcome the challenges of grinding will actually look for a challenge or pet project and venus et all will be tops on the list. And you will not be able to stop em. Even the most "legit" of servers will fall if the publisher does not do anything effective ever. And joymax never will. Of that we can be sure. Sure some people admire the efforts you have put into venus etc. But there is a reason some of us don't come to venus beyond leaving char behind. I have not been on my char for almost a year so leaving it behind is not an issue. lol but I still am not going to venus even though I have many who once called me friend there. We just gotta get over it and to the point that really SRO is dead and has been dead some time now. Venus is on intensive life support and the moment it is removed will quickly succumb to the death of every other server. Those that value the time they waste lol will move to greener virtual pastures. Meh but I dun play SRO anymore so what do I know.


No, to be honest the ones who ran out and then show back up to say our methods are actually hurting the legit movement are a joke. Venus is not on life support, its an island and Id find your criticism more cutting if it hadnt been almost a year since we started. We had a single union and now we have four. What other server has four legit unions? None. We all got tired of the bot supporting and bot permitting attitude and struck out on our own without JMs support and frankly, we are doing quite well.

Go look at the Confederation....

Go look at the Venus section of SRF...

Log on Venus and actually LOOK at it...

We would LOVE for the bots to try and make an effort to take us over. The last group (sObscene and cantWarChild) were a waste of effort. After a month of botting, they high tailed it for Eos when it opened. They are trying to consolidate again and the Confederation is rubbing it's hands together in anticipation. New legits are starting in Venus every day and we arent getting any smaller. ^^

Oh and that rule you mentioned, that is Avalon's rule, not the Confederation's. The two arent the same. We dont run the Confederation. BlackHand Alliance, Avalon Union, Blade Union, Ryukang Union and about 15 other random guilds run it as a group. All legit, all active, all strong and all behind a single minded idea to keep one server legit. As far as I am concerned, SRO isnt dead, it just has one server left.

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Just like koreans like to play by hand and not bot, and go look the servers now ;)

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No, to be honest the ones who ran out and then show back up to say our methods are actually hurting the legit movement are a joke. Venus is not on life support, its an island and Id find your criticism more cutting if it hadnt been almost a year since we started. We had a single union and now we have four. What other server has four legit unions? None.


Exactly because in order to get where you are today the remaining parts of many legit unions on most other servers were cannibalized or dismantled. (that also had to do with why I quit) No one is saying you held a gun to their heads because that is not the case. But neither is it the case that you are landing some great blow to the ideas and ideals of botters etc. In reality everyone just regrouped to just a couple of servers for one last stand. The price of your server. Eternal vigilance. Sleep only a short time and they will take root on your server as well. TBH they already have they will just infiltrate further. That to me is not success. Success is (and let me know when you start doing this btw) sending people to other servers a server at a time to purge the botters by and large more or less like venus and friends.

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We all got tired of the bot supporting and bot permitting attitude and struck out on our own without JMs support and frankly, we are doing quite well.


If that is the case then why is there the talk of you guys putting up and moving to a p server? Things are so peachy you need a private server? Hey this is not a personal attack against you either. Hell for what it is worth I still like you and have good memories even if we don't agree on everything.

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Go look at the Confederation....

Go look at the Venus section of SRF...

Log on Venus and actually LOOK at it...

We would LOVE for the bots to try and make an effort to take us over. The last group (sObscene and cantWarChild) were a waste of effort. After a month of botting, they high tailed it for Eos when it opened. They are trying to consolidate again and the Confederation is rubbing it's hands together in anticipation. New legits are starting in Venus every day and we arent getting any smaller. ^^

Oh and that rule you mentioned, that is Avalon's rule, not the Confederation's. The two arent the same. We dont run the Confederation. BlackHand Alliance, Avalon Union, Blade Union, Ryukang Union and about 15 other random guilds run it as a group. All legit, all active, all strong and all behind a single minded idea to keep one server legit. As far as I am concerned, SRO isnt dead, it just has one server left.


Bloom I am afraid that to most people that is dead. So don't get all defensive when they claim it. And I did create a char on venus. I didn't use any of my known names or make alot of noise. I knew I could start talking etc and eventually get alot of help from friends etc. But I figured that would not give me a real feel for the server. So I was just some random nub. It had alot of the same problems as Xian started. Frankly I and many others don't wanna be the bot police. (suspecting everyone is not fun) I worked and got to 80 so that I could job but when I got there there was no jobbing. And from what I have seen and heard well venus is still not like the old days. I wanna log in and job more or less like the old days. That is what the game is about. If that is not happening it is dead. I hear it is better on venus than most other servers but butter than nothing does not mean great.

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for all who voted sro is already dead. its only dead in the eyes of legits.

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its dead at lower levels. Get capped n the fun begins ^^

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If that is the case then why is there the talk of you guys putting up and moving to a p server? Things are so peachy you need a private server?

cuz i want a server with 60/70 cap, old job system, and re-ballanced skill set for euros without rediculous bless fights. has really nothing to do with bots. even a 100% legit isro server still will blow chunks for me when it comes to gameplay.

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he has a point ^^


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but seriously you could send some of the legits in avalon/bha over to another server seeing as no1's challenging venus :roll:


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If the job system is dead, you better tell that to the 10 thieves that tried to rob us all morning this morning. They probably would like to know that they dont have to suit up anymore.

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I also know a simple reason why legits may turn into boters. It's called traffic.

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If the job system is dead [...]


One Word: Crossroads.

I understand that people like to cite themselves as examples against an argument, but when people do that they disregard exceptions. I wouldn't say jobbing is dead; I'm more than willing to use a euphemism and call it "dormant." The fact is all players, legit and botter, need to realize that the game is not what it used to be, and it will never be same; unless of course Joymax starts from point A and works their way towards Z, but doing such a thing is unreasonable and unlikely. I am not talking about legit VS cheater. I am talking about jobbing. When compared to late 70, early 80, and mid 60 the current Post Euro/90 cap job system is broken and dead. Occasionally some will come out and do a trade; occasionally some will go out and search for trades to steal from, but these individual exceptions cannot hide the collective truth: Jobbing is dead.

Have you ever made a large post then scrapped it because you knew it would fall on deaf ears? Meh.

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The days of the crossroads is dead because there is a much larger route to cover. The crossroads as a chokepoint is not an option anymore. Those are mostly low level traders who cant be robbed. The job system didnt die, it changed and too many people are freaked out and unable to adjust. We go on trade runs every day. I know for a fact that SG and Grace do trade runs alone, every day. Thieving is harder because the routes are longer and the chokepoints are fewer but if people dont get their heads out their butts soon, I'LL GO THIEF and show you nabs how it's done Avalon style.

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