JM becoming stricter against silk buying bots?On EoS atleast

XesoS · **Posted:** Tue Nov 04, 2008 4:47 pm

lol ? finnaly ? Maybe they try to get sro back alife

REBD · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 601 **Location:**

pain wrote:

pk2 edit your gear and stuff and it shows up incorrect on rev6. Some players have done that to hide their sun gear. If this is possible then it's mostlikely possible to show/hide premium.

That is totally impossible. pk2 edit is a client side edit, it cannot affect the way others see you.

ahmedsabry · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 615 **Location:**

Toshiharu wrote:

They've been banning people who bought silk. It's.. just that many of the people that post here are just too ignorant to even know about any of the accounts and look right off rev6. Doesn't see premium doesn't see silk bought.

I'll repost what I said last week. A guildmate had two accounts that he used clientless to plvl himself and they got banned. One of the accounts had $20 of silk bought on it and the other had around I think $30~50.

Joymax doesn't go one by one its an auto detect that they came up with to auto ban or so it seems. I doubt they actually went to collect 10,000 names and enter them in.

so, wanna get banned.. buy silk???

cool

PR0METHEUS · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 4093 **Location:** Earth

Love wrote:

all this game needs to be back in the right track is paid server transfers

As much as I'd love to move my 54 blader from Venice to Venus, if Joymax allowed that, then all the botters would pay to have their characters moved to other servers.

Not to mention the billions of gold that would be introduced into the new server, unless characters transfer naked.

Besides, what happens if I want to move PR0METHEUS away from Venice, but there's already a PR0METHEUS on the new server?

.AWAKE. · **Joined:** Jun 2007 **Posts:** 2070 **Location:**

trane wrote:

http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=1725573
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=1686569
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=1436697
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=1362863

just a few bot I saw lots

hahaha sun shield gone
+7 weapons gone to
yay :love:

joymax

ahmedsabry · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 615 **Location:**

Easy_Lady wrote:

trane wrote:

http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=1725573
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=1686569
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=1436697
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=1362863

just a few bot I saw lots

hahaha sun shield gone
+7 weapons gone to
yay :love:

joymax

+1
those were some tough players they banned.. not like all the lv 30 noobs who always fill the banlists

sama98b · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 1428 **Location:**

If you want to know why and how then take the bot and packet analyze what and where is it sending

If you see your account details being sent to some unknown place you will understand, why only
hacked/cracked bots getting banned

And fresh silk doesn't count, jm don't care about new account with 20$ silk history, but when there is an
account with 1000$ history JM won't take the chance that all that will get charged back.

And by the way a lot of ppl started to ccf with papal, reason 1000silk removed .....
So the reason you will see premium users in the bann list, since they don't say the reason...

ImmortalKiller · **Joined:** Aug 2008 **Posts:** 675 **Location:** VA/CA

pain wrote:

pk2 edit your gear and stuff and it shows up incorrect on rev6. Some players have done that to hide their sun gear. If this is possible then it's mostlikely possible to show/hide premium.

I LOL'D

Client sided VS. Server sided.

Know your shit before you post, AFAIK virtually NO data from pk2 edits is EVER sent to the SRO servers, unless they truly start inspecting pk2 files... which hasn't happened yet!

PR0METHEUS · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 4093 **Location:** Earth

ImmortalKiller wrote:

pain wrote:

pk2 edit your gear and stuff and it shows up incorrect on rev6. Some players have done that to hide their sun gear. If this is possible then it's mostlikely possible to show/hide premium.

I LOL'D

Client sided VS. Server sided.

Know your shit before you post, AFAIK virtually NO data from pk2 edits is EVER sent to the SRO servers, unless they truly start inspecting pk2 files... which hasn't happened yet!

Seems that wouldn't be hard to do. Quick MD5 hash of media.pk2, data.pk2, and others. Send the MD5's off to the server for comparison. I suppose one could intercept those MD5s and replace them with correct ones, but the average user wouldn't know to do that.

They couldn't MD5 whatever file stores user settings, since they are dependant on the user's preferences (video, sound, key assignments...)

Toshiharu · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 4222 **Location:** Nowhere

ahmedsabry wrote:

so, wanna get banned.. buy silk???

cool

What?

nightbloom · **Joined:** Jan 2006 **Posts:** 5492 **Location:**

There were a lot of bans on Venus also. The leader of RP_BLOODLINE, a large bot guild, got banned with prem+... lol

Grimm-.- · **Posted:** Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:57 pm

pain wrote:

pk2 edit your gear and stuff and it shows up incorrect on rev6. Some players have done that to hide their sun gear. If this is possible then it's mostlikely possible to show/hide premium.

Premium is server side not client side.
so no... it wouldn't be possible.

eaglehawk · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 230 **Location:**

sama98b wrote:

If you want to know why and how then take the bot and packet analyze what and where is it sending

If you see your account details being sent to some unknown place you will understand, why only
hacked/cracked bots getting banned

And fresh silk doesn't count, jm don't care about new account with 20$ silk history, but when there is an
account with 1000$ history JM won't take the chance that all that will get charged back.

And by the way a lot of ppl started to ccf with papal, reason 1000silk removed .....
So the reason you will see premium users in the bann list, since they don't say the reason...

i agree but i know that you cant charge back transactions that are over 45 days old with paypal, maybe joymax makes exceptions to their loyal customers

. joymax is getting desperate showing chargebacked accounts to prop up their botter banlists.

ahmedsabry · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 615 **Location:**

eaglehawk wrote:

sama98b wrote:

If you want to know why and how then take the bot and packet analyze what and where is it sending

If you see your account details being sent to some unknown place you will understand, why only
hacked/cracked bots getting banned

And fresh silk doesn't count, jm don't care about new account with 20$ silk history, but when there is an
account with 1000$ history JM won't take the chance that all that will get charged back.

And by the way a lot of ppl started to ccf with papal, reason 1000silk removed .....
So the reason you will see premium users in the bann list, since they don't say the reason...

i agree but i know that you cant charge back transactions that are over 45 days old with paypal, maybe joymax makes exceptions to their loyal customers

. joymax is getting desperate showing chargebacked accounts to prop up their botter banlists.

lol.. they used not to ban anyone who had 1 silk in thier account. i'd call that an improvement

Crumpets · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 7800 **Location:**

PR0METHEUS wrote:

Seems that wouldn't be hard to do. Quick MD5 hash of media.pk2, data.pk2, and others. Send the MD5's off to the server for comparison. I suppose one could intercept those MD5s and replace them with correct ones, but the average user wouldn't know to do that.

They couldn't MD5 whatever file stores user settings, since they are dependant on the user's preferences (video, sound, key assignments...)

Everyone's media.pk2 is different tho. I have 3 pc's. On one it's 294, the other it's 303 and on my laptop it's 307MB ;o So attaching a MD5 check to it wouldn't work.

huejas · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 1804 **Location:**

trane wrote:

http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=1725573
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=1686569
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=1436697
http://www.rev6.com/player.asp?id=1362863

just a few bot I saw lots

dang a sunner and a +9, bot or not...thats gotta hurt

Fly · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 2114 **Location:**

Crumpets wrote:

PR0METHEUS wrote:

Seems that wouldn't be hard to do. Quick MD5 hash of media.pk2, data.pk2, and others. Send the MD5's off to the server for comparison. I suppose one could intercept those MD5s and replace them with correct ones, but the average user wouldn't know to do that.

They couldn't MD5 whatever file stores user settings, since they are dependant on the user's preferences (video, sound, key assignments...)

Everyone's media.pk2 is different tho. I have 3 pc's. On one it's 294, the other it's 303 and on my laptop it's 307MB ;o So attaching a MD5 check to it wouldn't work.

they should move the importent things like invis/stealth into a seperate secure file or make it server side. nothing else in the pk2 really matters.

PR0METHEUS · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 4093 **Location:** Earth

But why is media.pk2 different on each PC? Is that just because of pk2 editing? If that's the case, they could just ban pk2 editing, and then be able to md5 the files.

Fly · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 2114 **Location:**

PR0METHEUS wrote:

But why is media.pk2 different on each PC? Is that just because of pk2 editing? If that's the case, they could just ban pk2 editing, and then be able to md5 the files.

pk2 file updates everytime there is a patch. but sometimes if you dont play for a while, you can skip over a patch if its no longer usefull. like summer event decorations. if u did not play in the summer event, u did not download the town decorations into your pk2 file. after the event finished, they did not deleat the files from the pk2, they simply made it so the patch after the event did not install those files any more.

so the more u play, the more useless crap builds up in ur pk2 file.

PR0METHEUS · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 4093 **Location:** Earth

Fly wrote:

PR0METHEUS wrote:

But why is media.pk2 different on each PC? Is that just because of pk2 editing? If that's the case, they could just ban pk2 editing, and then be able to md5 the files.

pk2 file updates everytime there is a patch. but sometimes if you dont play for a while, you can skip over a patch if its no longer usefull. like summer event decorations. if u did not play in the summer event, u did not download the town decorations into your pk2 file. after the event finished, they did not deleat the files from the pk2, they simply made it so the patch after the event did not install those files any more.

so the more u play, the more useless crap builds up in ur pk2 file.

Similar to the Windows Registry then

Ragnorak · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 1147 **Location:**

Toshiharu wrote:

They've been banning people who bought silk. It's.. just that many of the people that post here are just too ignorant to even know about any of the accounts and look right off rev6. Doesn't see premium doesn't see silk bought.

I'll repost what I said last week. A guildmate had two accounts that he used clientless to plvl himself and they got banned. One of the accounts had $20 of silk bought on it and the other had around I think $30~50.

Joymax doesn't go one by one its an auto detect that they came up with to auto ban or so it seems. I doubt they actually went to collect 10,000 names and enter them in.

Clientless>>>>its the same as running a golbot if he/she wanted to cheat a Multiclient would have done the job.

anyways, the ONLY hope I see when trying to have control the bots its only on new servers, clean start to evenly ban all those that use illegal 3rd party program, not just goldbots

I think JM does have a system to auto detect clientless...I mean there are 32 servers I think, JM has like what? 6 "GM" no way they would go 1 by 1 adding names like "sjfskl" "sjfksj" "skjfskj" it might me easy to tell who is a goldbot but its not easy to manually enter names on the block list.

Cavalier · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 91 **Location:** eSRO 4

snowcloud wrote:

Rev6 only updates char info when they reach the next weapon lvl i believe...

nope. wrong

xKingpinx · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 2153 **Location:**

i say it was a third party client or something...why would would they just start banning bots on EoS ...thats stupid

OTG · **Joined:** Oct 2008 **Posts:** 1060 **Location:**

My theory is they are just upgrading their services until Aion is out and a few months after they will be back to their old selves. We'll see what comes from this.

xKingpinx · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 2153 **Location:**

Hello. this is Silkroad Online.

In this week, we posted the massive bot punishment list as we promised.

Bot punishment depends on users�� action related to illegal programs.

Purchasing Silk will not prevent user from bot punishment. And nothing can justify illegal programs.

Therefore, we are reminding our users to understand regarding to this bot punishment, and avoid illegal programs.

there ya go....

their way of saying...you will get banned for Illegal clients and such but not botting..

OTG · **Joined:** Oct 2008 **Posts:** 1060 **Location:**

xKingpinx wrote:

Hello. this is Silkroad Online.

In this week, we posted the massive bot punishment list as we promised.

Bot punishment depends on users�� action related to illegal programs.

Purchasing Silk will not prevent user from bot punishment. And nothing can justify illegal programs.

Therefore, we are reminding our users to understand regarding to this bot punishment, and avoid illegal programs.

there ya go....

their way of saying...you will get banned for Illegal clients and such but not botting..

Bot Program = Illegal Program. Hence botting = use of illegal client, hence you are being banned for it.

JKMB · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 822 **Location:**

pain wrote:

pk2 edit your gear and stuff and it shows up incorrect on rev6. Some players have done that to hide their sun gear. If this is possible then it's mostlikely possible to show/hide premium.

In this case its more likely that rev6 just hasnt updated in a while, they arnt famous for that, I mean I recently +9'd my s/s (not blowing my own trumpet) and that has not shown up on rev6 and my last recorded message has been the same for months.

BloodyBlade · **Posted:** Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:29 pm

PR0METHEUS wrote:

ImmortalKiller wrote:

pain wrote:

pk2 edit your gear and stuff and it shows up incorrect on rev6. Some players have done that to hide their sun gear. If this is possible then it's mostlikely possible to show/hide premium.

I LOL'D

Client sided VS. Server sided.

Know your shit before you post, AFAIK virtually NO data from pk2 edits is EVER sent to the SRO servers, unless they truly start inspecting pk2 files... which hasn't happened yet!

Seems that wouldn't be hard to do. Quick MD5 hash of media.pk2, data.pk2, and others. Send the MD5's off to the server for comparison. I suppose one could intercept those MD5s and replace them with correct ones, but the average user wouldn't know to do that.

They couldn't MD5 whatever file stores user settings, since they are dependant on the user's preferences (video, sound, key assignments...)

Well, you can merge 2 servers together, they recently did that.
And when your name is already taken, you need to make another one(dunno who can keep tbh, the foreign people on cSRO, like me, would needed to, because we are "the guests")

KsqueaKJ · **Joined:** Nov 2007 **Posts:** 257 **Location:** Illinois

Cavalier wrote:

snowcloud wrote:

Rev6 only updates char info when they reach the next weapon lvl i believe...

nope. wrong

the way rev6 knows ur shit is when your char passes up another char who is using agbot, it takes down all ur info.

REBD · **Joined:** Sep 2008 **Posts:** 601 **Location:**

KsqueaKJ wrote:

Cavalier wrote:

snowcloud wrote:

Rev6 only updates char info when they reach the next weapon lvl i believe...

nope. wrong

the way rev6 knows ur shit is when your char passes up another char who is using agbot, it takes down all ur info.

If you are over level 20 if i am not mistaken.

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