This is THE BEST PvE display i have ever seen.. omg

Bread_Fish · **Joined:** Dec 2007 **Posts:** 250 **Location:**

ahmedsabry wrote:

wow...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89DEaOf8I00

i prefer this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rsk-XVvMIus

TheDrop · **Joined:** May 2008 **Posts:** 7150 **Location:** uefa2012

borat2 wrote:

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dam that was the video I was going to post T_T. It inspired me a lot when i was making my lock.
And that grinding way isn't very special, him/her being able to have faster moving speed helps a lot.

And if im not mistaken.. isn't the more htis you do, the faster your weapon breaks and the larger the chance of getting a zerk ball?Since DoTs does a lot of hits while the mob is alive, and it still remains for some time after the mob is dead O.O

Da_Realest · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2435 **Location:**

ahmedsabry wrote:

1-u grind for a longer time and get the same exp in the end.. ie: ur grinding slower.
2-lock nukes are pathetic u know.. baby nukes. even the weakest warrior skill (being a STR) would outdamage them. what really sets a lock apar from anyne else is DOTs. again, ur not a nuker.. u r not meant to be. ur nukes are just supportive.
3-ksing is another story. i am talking about the best way to grind in normal conditions. even if they ks.. look how much mobs u r attacking at a time. how much will they ks? one? two? nothing...
still u obviously didnt get my point.. u DO NOT HAVE TO nuke. DOTs just do the job if u let them. now compare the time u need to DOT and the time u need to nuke.. no comparision. if a wizard needs 2 seconds or so to kill a mob, a lock would need NO TIME AT ALL. u just have to run and let the mob die. the time it takes the DOT to get the mob killed doesnt mean anything to u because you wouldnt even be there. i hope u got it this time...
4-as u said.. noone knows for sure. so plz stop saying nukes make it fill faster. anyway, if u dont beleive this, try grinding with a lock using only nukes, and using only dots separatly. record zerk filling time in each case.. simple.
5-everyone knows ur a genius, thanks.

1. Watch the video borat2 and Bread_Fish posted. Thats me if you didn't understand what borat2 said. I'm obviously grinding slower.... Oh, lets also not factor in the fact that the mobs I'm grinding are 3 to 4 levels higher than me and I can grind at that same speed on red mobs. Yup..., I obviously grind slower.

2. Guess you lack reading comprehenshion.

Da_Realest wrote:

I use all my skills.

3. Under normal conditions my method is faster.

I'm 100% sure that as a Warlock, I could ks ALL of his mobs. On a pure int spear or wizard, I'm pretty sure that I could ks most of his mobs. Since he has aggroed the mobs, they're going to be bunched together chasing him so they can be easily killed by a single nuke.

4. Again, it seems you lack reading comprehension.

Da_Realest wrote:

You can only get zerk bubbles as fast as the mobs die. DoT continues to tick until the body of the mob disappears so I still got zerk extremely fast.

Adding to that, I rather have my DoT ticking on a dead mob gaining zerk than a live mob causing me to have to run to somewhere else wasting time and durability because the DoT is ticking longer. Of course he doesn't mind running because of his bard sub, but I prefer to stay in one general area.

5. The Warlocks I seen that only used nukes were bots. Any decent Warlock knows the video is average. Some even replied that they grind using a similar method. I use to grind the same way at low 3x but made a more efficient method once I got more skills.

I'm sorry that the guy you posted is only average. You make it seem as though I said he sucks or something. I'm just saying that this video is nothing to go "wow" about.

Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

AoEing in one general area is better.

Berto · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 835 **Location:**

Meh. I would rather solo grind by mobbing technique. Using AoE Weaken and division, gather a decent group of mobs and use a combination of AoE debuffs and nukes. You get zerk pretty much every other mobbing group or less. It provides chunks of exp at a time, and is better specially when fighting giants as you can constantly bring general mobs to stack 3 or 4 dots on to the giant, thus killing faster.

Btw I dunno if you realized Realest but warlock rods dura got beefed up. I have over 400 dura now =)

Yeah I remember the days of having 2 or 3 warlock rods because of dura issues...man that sucked.

But yeah, nothing to wow about in the video. It's decent for a Warlock/bard; specially with speed to quickly hop from each mob, but for those who are warlock/clerics -- there is a more efficient way to grind.

AkillerNXC · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 1014 **Location:**

Average.

I agree with Berto. If I was forced to solo, I'd agro them all (mirage ftw along with random debuffs) followed by aoe dot's, vampire kiss, and since I'm bard instead of cleric sub I switch and do booming wave (which has 1.5x the damage of any warlock nuke + hits 5 mobs).

DoT's without zerk take probably 6 or so hits, at least, on white mobs...with just one, which is what he was doing. It may seem like he's getting fast exp, but he's really not, it takes forever to kill them.

He was 76+ so that's not really a big accomplishment...its really a matter of opinion the way you grind though. If thats how he prefers it thats his choice.

And btw, reason warlocks get zerk so fast, even faster after 60... is because dot's hit after their dead. A smart warlock also has shadow/dusk armor, which hits 5 mobs at a time. So in reality a warlock is hitting 5 mobs with dusk armor, 3 with one aoe dot, 3 with another aoe dot, has the single dots paired with the aoe dots...basically hitting anywhere from 5-10 mobs at a time. Multiple times before they die. If your in a party, this is easy, since the mobs are all party mobs. Soloing zerk is lame.

Not to mention they hit once or twice after the mob is dead.

House · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 258 **Location:**

You haven't seen what is fast PvE before watch LilFoodStamp grinding >_<...

This guy is quite similar, but slower u_u

Da_Realest · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2435 **Location:**

Berto wrote:

Btw I dunno if you realized Realest but warlock rods dura got beefed up. I have over 400 dura now =)

Guess JM decided to skip my warlock.

EDIT: Oh wait, its only 29% now. lol

NO_SILK_4_ME · **Joined:** Jan 2008 **Posts:** 1016 **Location:**

Why does he cast the stun spell?

By what i saw, it just goes away as soon as another DoT does some damage and it's completely useless? Or he just stuns for a really small amount of time...either way, i want to know why he uses it.

penfold1992 · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 4060 **Location:**

imo the first video is FAR more impressive then that one borat posted.

killing using vampire touch/kiss is like every other build and its not unique. however this way is much more intresting and unique!

sro doesnt have AoE.... area of attack of 5 mobs? and on other games its just like.... hits every mobs

DoT are unique, no other char grinds any other way then click 123 click 123 click 123.....appart from a warlock

click 1 click 2 click 3 click 4 click 1 click 2......

damn that first vid makes me wna make my lock right now

jay0303 · **Joined:** Sep 2007 **Posts:** 1047 **Location:**

omfg i never though wl can grind that speed i mean damm

Advancechao · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 449 **Location:**

Cool, I've never seen anyone with all four single DoTs before. I thought most people deleveled them, but I guess they make for some pretty fast grinding. It's 56k sp more farming to get both Toxin and Blaze ^_^

Bop · **Joined:** Oct 2008 **Posts:** 1130 **Location:**

every PVE vid i see is the person aggroing bunch of mobs together and then killing them quickly by splash and "PWN" :roll:

agentcool5 · **Joined:** Apr 2008 **Posts:** 76 **Location:** egypt

she should try that with antilope
they will rape her @zz
oO

Reaper~17 · **Joined:** Nov 2008 **Posts:** 51 **Location:**

Very nice video ^.^

ahmedsabry · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 615 **Location:**

ok, so for ppl still saying nuke grinding is faster.. ill explain this for one last time.
lets say u have "Player1" who uses DOTs and "Player2" who combines DOTs and nukes, and "Player3" who usues DOTs and AOE nukes. All grinding on general mobs for Four seconds in an area that has "Mobs A,B,C,and D".

Player1:
1st Second: casts a DOT on mob A
2nd Second: casts a DOT on mob B
3rd Second: casts a DOT on mob C
4th Second: casts a DOT on mob D

End result: 4 mobs have DOTs on and they will all die within the next 1-4 seconds
Mobs Killed in Four Seconds: Four

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Player2:
1st Second: casts a DOT on mob A
2nd Second: casts a nuke on mob A
3rd Second: casts a DOT on mob B
4th Second: casts a nuke on mob B

End result: no mobs with DOTs still on, all attacked mobs killed
Mobs Killed in Four Seconds: Two

--------------------------------

Player3:
1st Second: casts a DOT on mob A
2nd Second: casts a DOT on mob B
3rd Second: casts a DOT on mob C
4th Second: casts AOE nuke to kill mobs A,B, and C.

End result: no mobs with dots still on, all attacked mobs killed
Mobs Killed in Four seconds: Three

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Conclusions
1-Player1 grinds at DOUBLE(100%) the speed of Player2
2-Player1 grinds 33% faster than Player3

Q.E.D

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P.S: if u still dont get the point, PLEASE just go grind the way that makes you feel happy. ty

ahmedsabry · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 615 **Location:**

Fug_Dup wrote:

I think that's pretty much how I grind but I do 2 DoTs per mob instead of 1. (IMO only 1 DoT is way too slow) I don't think my rod's durability has ever been an issue ever since JM raised it. I don't think I've had major problems with people KSing me. If they do try, I just pull out my harp and show em what KSing is all about.

But while using Warlock nukes will get a kill faster, I think using DoTs would cover a much larger area. Mobs are gonna die anyway. I only use my nukes and debuffs versus party mobs or giants.

Most Warlocks in other games grind using the same technique. It's called 'kiting' if I'm not mistaken.

ideal usage of both DOTs and nukes (and you sub)

Corrupt · **Joined:** Jan 2007 **Posts:** 548 **Location:**

penfold1992 wrote:

sro doesnt have AoE.... area of attack of 5 mobs? and on other games its just like.... hits every mobs

DoT are unique, no other char grinds any other way then click 123 click 123 click 123.....appart from a warlock

click 1 click 2 click 3 click 4 click 1 click 2......

damn that first vid makes me wna make my lock right now

You can AoE grind with most builds it's no different.
~Bowmen can snipe a few mobs explosion arrow splash, continue with a few books of butterfly and autumn wind if they farmed for it. Having 2-3 mobs dieing with 6-10 on them always picking away at each hp with splash.

~Glaive/Spear every tree except soul spear has some type of AoE 2-5 mobs first book which no one really use can hit it's either 2 or 3, windless splashes, ghost, some swings in the chain I believe too. So it's just running around flying dragon which also aoes then splash eveyrthing.

~Blade/Sword well it depends on the style, soul cut chains or sword petal and spam second book of KD, if you want to spice up the grind, when 2 mobs are kded stab one then stab the other throw a couple flower petals at diff mobs which should also splash the kded ones.

~Wiz depends on the mob if you can tank or not take risks aoeing

~Lock dot everything, nuke, or both.

~Bard has 2 aoes might be harder

~Warrior 2h has some splash skills taunting helps group up mobs

Euros are still recommended party play, didn't get into details on each solo but this should paint a picture that you don't have to just 123 spam one mob at a time....

Sure you could still call that spamming just with more mobs but then every build actually has to spam....Chinese also can use earlier books if they are not farmed for the other aoe trees in their series.

Yes it's not like other MMOs where you can actually kite 15-20+ mobs and splash every single one of them, but you can still work with what JoyMax has given you and use the smaller aoe range to your advantage try to make grinding more interesting. Or mindlessly spam 1-3 skills running to one mob at a time your choice.

Da_Realest · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 2435 **Location:**

ahmedsabry wrote:

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Point is you're wrong. Have you even played a Warlock before? Besides, 4 seconds is hardly enough time to determine who will grind the fastest.

Also, player 1 isn't instantly casting DoT on all 4 mobs. Its going to take about 1 second to select the next mob and attacking assuming he doesn't have to run alot and has no lag. However, because of this grind method, he will have to run alot. Yea the first mob may die from 1-4 seconds but the amount of time it takes for him to reach the next mob/cast DoT means at the very least it will take 7-8 seconds to kill 4 mobs based on what you said.

To put it simple, in 4 seconds player 1 will have only killed one mob.

EDIT: It took the guy in your video 8-10 seconds to kill a normal general with just DoT. It takes 7-9 seconds for him to kill a shaman. I don't see where you got 4 seconds from.

It seems you only talk with theories.

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Tue Nov 18, 2008 11:52 am

The vid is great great because he grinds in a area where no wizard or nuker ks. Dont take this vid into heart and change your build.

ahmedsabry · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 615 **Location:**

Da_Realest wrote:

ahmedsabry wrote:

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Point is you're wrong. Have you even played a Warlock before? Besides, 4 seconds is hardly enough time to determine who will grind the fastest.

Also, player 1 isn't instantly casting DoT on all 4 mobs. Its going to take about 1 second to select the next mob and attacking assuming he doesn't have to run alot and has no lag. However, because of this grind method, he will have to run alot. Yea the first mob may die from 1-4 seconds but the amount of time it takes for him to reach the next mob/cast DoT means at the very least it will take 7-8 seconds to kill 4 mobs based on what you said.

To put it simple, in 4 seconds player 1 will have only killed one mob.

EDIT: It took the guy in your video 8-10 seconds to kill a normal general with just DoT. It takes 7-9 seconds for him to kill a shaman. I don't see where you got 4 seconds from.

It seems you only talk with theories.

ahmedsabry wrote:

P.S: if u still dont get the point, PLEASE just go grind the way that makes you feel happy. ty

PR0METHEUS · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 4093 **Location:** Earth

Corrupt wrote:

It looks like normal soloing for my standards at least. Just treat silkroad like other mmos where you group up mobs aoe ect...DoT classes just dot and move on idk what's so fascinating about it, common sense

SRO has made players lazy. On my noob bowmen just spam autumn wind, butterfly, then explosion series when you have 3-7 mobs. It's more interesting then killing 1 mob at a time & keeps you more active/alert.

I can't watch the video since Youtube is blocked here at work, but I agree. I used to play this way on my blader all the time, aggroing as many mobs as I could. I wouldn't just kill one mob, move to the next, kill, move, kill...

I'd use ranged attacks to pull in as many as I could handle, have my wolf on one, me on another mob. KD one mob, combo another, stab the KD'd one before it gets back up, KD 3 mobs with the 2nd book KD, stab one, combo the 4th, 2 die, range attack a few more... send my wolf to get a mob my range can't reach... Was fun doing that to pull in 3 or 4 giants. :-D

bladers

ahmedsabry · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 615 **Location:**

PR0METHEUS wrote:

Corrupt wrote:

It looks like normal soloing for my standards at least. Just treat silkroad like other mmos where you group up mobs aoe ect...DoT classes just dot and move on idk what's so fascinating about it, common sense

SRO has made players lazy. On my noob bowmen just spam autumn wind, butterfly, then explosion series when you have 3-7 mobs. It's more interesting then killing 1 mob at a time & keeps you more active/alert.

I can't watch the video since Youtube is blocked here at work, but I agree. I used to play this way on my blader all the time, aggroing as many mobs as I could. I wouldn't just kill one mob, move to the next, kill, move, kill...

I'd use ranged attacks to pull in as many as I could handle, have my wolf on one, me on another mob. KD one mob, combo another, stab the KD'd one before it gets back up, KD 3 mobs with the 2nd book KD, stab one, combo the 4th, 2 die, range attack a few more... send my wolf to get a mob my range can't reach... Was fun doing that to pull in 3 or 4 giants. :-D

bladers

u didnt see the video yet

all he actually does is the first part u mentioned.. agroing!
agros with dots and goes away. mobs die automatically in the time he dots other mobs who die automatically as well :!:

ahmedsabry · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 615 **Location:**

NuclearSilo wrote:

The vid is great great because he grinds in a area where no wizard or nuker ks. Dont take this vid into heart and change your build.

i wont change my build!!! :shock:

im a warrior"ownage"cleric for gods sake

Stephanus · **Posted:** Tue Nov 18, 2008 12:51 pm

Barotix wrote:

AoEing in one general area is better.

+1
And i am equally to a lvl90 wizzy at nachals if i give taxi to some of my friends. Full int bow is a combined lurer+dps build. One mind bow and the entire room is coming at me.
Also, i use these skills in the following succession:
Mindbow3, Mindbow2, lightning3, lightning2,and if not enough,ice rain or whatever(but ice rain has its use only on nachals).
Four skills = at least 6-7 mob dead.
The same at niya mages.Skill/mob ratio is at most 1.
If im lucky, it goes down to 0.6-0.7/mob.

ps: i will post a wid.
Dam, im upset a bit, and i will show you guys how to grind properly.
*slams the table*
videopost is coming soon.

AkillerNXC · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 1014 **Location:**

NuclearSilo wrote:

The vid is great great because he grinds in a area where no wizard or nuker ks. Dont take this vid into heart and change your build.

Actually, a blader would do more damage then dots would. DoT's alone are the easiest thing in the world to ks.

StacE · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 502 **Location:**

ahmedsabry wrote:

StacE wrote:

What he did is nothing special.

Put 1 DoT on a mob then ran off knowing it would die... Wow?? Obviously his gear and skills are just very strong, nothing he did is particularly amazing.

the guy actualy showed his gear at the end of the video if u've watched that :roll:

some gay gear...
and u would really want to see how most locks grind. they're like wizards with a shield. just spamming "death flower"s.

Regardless of his gear. If it was bad, it shows that it is warlock that is the strong element.

Nothing he did skill wise was anything special. DoT then run, nothing innovative.

EDIT* Clearly i didn't watch until the end either. Because who the **** wants to watch someone else grind? it's bad enough grinding yourself.

StacE · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 502 **Location:**

the_wicked wrote:

faster than 30 sec =.=

we had a nearly full 90 pt, 2 90 tanks, 90 and 88 wiz, 90 warlock, 2 bards (both battle bards (guardia and zanthra)) all full farmed. PTGiant went down in 2 zerkbubbles i believe.

Absolutely positive that we could take out PT Giants that fast. Did it constantly when we had the right party.

We wouldve had

Vapore - Warrior
Topdog - Wizard
Rhapsody - Bard
Anurin - Cleric
POD - Wizard
Skayunor - Wizard
WickerMan - Rogue\Bard (2nd bard)

Vapore might wanna correct that party... its been a while. Everyone could tank well enough with bless + bard dances + cleric heals. The mob was debuffed by Vapore. Damage was huge due to 3 wizards with dances+debuffs+zerk. Mana never ran out because of Wicker+Rhapsody. Rhapsody could also give additional damage.

ahmedsabry · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 615 **Location:**

ahmedsabry wrote:

StacE wrote:

What he did is nothing special.

Put 1 DoT on a mob then ran off knowing it would die... Wow?? Obviously his gear and skills are just very strong, nothing he did is particularly amazing.

the guy actualy showed his gear at the end of the video if u've watched that :roll:

some gay gear...
and u would really want to see how most locks grind. they're like wizards with a shield. just spamming "death flower"s.

StacE wrote:

Regardless of his gear. If it was bad, it shows that it is warlock that is the strong element.

+1

StacE wrote:

Nothing he did skill wise was anything special. DoT then run, nothing innovative.

im not saying he did any magic, its just the way of grinding win only dots and not using any of his nukes/debuffs except againt giant.. totally different from the regular retarded warlock grinding techniques hat i see everywhere

StacE wrote:

EDIT* Clearly i didn't watch until the end either. Because who the **** wants to watch someone else grind? it's bad enough grinding yourself.

tell me about it

iGoddess · **Posted:** Thu Nov 20, 2008 5:51 pm

Makes me wanna make a Warlock :roll:

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