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SP SP SP!!!! The single most regretful thing I have ever done with my own build is not SP farm at a low level. I started this game at the beginning and SP farming was an unheard of practice. DO IT AT 16, cause it is so much easier. I'd say 50k-100k minimum SP should be your goal. It takes aprox 200K sp to get to level 70 maxed skills, so you are only going to get a portion of what you need total. You can farm again at 5X in Ishades or Penons and go with a 3 level gap from 16 to then for the rest of what you need.

People who are here to "have fun" and not "take the game too seriously" make hybrid chars. Those who have a sincere desire to pwn do not. The only hybrid char I would even consider endorsing is an int heavy healer. That is, this char would not really be made for PVP but as a pure support char rezzing and healing the rest of the guild. Play to your strengths. If you are a Sunday afternoon player, dont even read this.

(imo) build choices

There are really only two choices. Pure int and pure str. Personally, I discount bow altogether as a weapon choice because at high levels, the only bow players that are a real threat have SOS's and you can't count on that. That leaves str glaive/blade or int spear/sword. Both have aspects that depend on the player. Do you mind dying? Then the shield options are best for you. Do you like raw power? Then the glaive/spear builds are for you.

(imo) the pros and cons of either build

blade/sword - For either build (int or str) the knock down and stabs are a real kicker. They are VERY hard to counter. You can keep a shield handy and switch, but that puts your uber main weap at risk. At low levels, they arent that impressive. At level 70 they kick my ass, ask Fly. One of my guildmates has completely leveled his char using them alone, skipping the chains altogether. The chains are good for PVE, but are very potable in PVP. An int can pair these with fire, ice or light nukes and be VERY formitable. The cons of this build are dmg. You just have to sacrifice survivablility for power.

glaive/spear - For either build the soul spear series and the ghost spear series are key. As a str, I only have these and Flying Dragon leveled, saving my SP for fun things like level 65 lightning to go really fast, "vrooooooooom". (Fly says this is useless, but I like being able to chase down horses). Pairing these with the nukes of your choosing is also a good choice for an int. The cons of this build is dying. You are really at a disadvantage defense wise. You have exptra HP with the spear/glaive passive, but you still are going to die more than your shielded char.

As a str, I am not going to touch which nukes and buffs are best. Those are not something I am that familiar with as a str. I do know that ice wall is so effective and fire is not. I use all the available buffs (including concentration) because at my level, every little edge I can get helps.

gear choices

Despite popular opinion, a str char CAN be improved by adding int stats and MP stats to gear and vice versa for an int. For a str it adds dmg and for an int it adds tankability. Adding str to gear does NOT lower an int's magical balance. That balance is measured as follows: possible max number of points vs. actual number of points in relation to level. Adding str to gear doesnt affect the int balance in any way, all it does is raise the physical balance by increasing the actual points in relation to level.

An int wearing great armor or pro, fully loaded with str, int and + is so much harder to beat than one that is not. Equally, a str wearing good garment or pro with str, int and + is a tough opponent.


I may add more to this later, Im not sure. I wrote it because so many ppl seemeed clueless about where to start, even me at first. This is basically my observation based on one year and 70 levels of playing SRO as well as tidbits gleaned from such greats as I have met along the way.

THis is still the best build guide I have read: http://www.silkroadforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=1575

good read for someone who doesnt know the game

1. A well-built hybrid can beat either pure build in 1v1, survive longer than INT in mass PvP, and do more damage than STR in mass PvP. Not to mention the fact that INT hybrid spear is probably the number one fastest leveling build.
2. I'm surprised that someone with so much experience would endorse making a healer out of anything but pure STR. What possible benefit does a healer gain from INT?

excuse me a well built hybrid can beat pure builds...*cough SuicideGrl cough*

BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

BOWS RAWK! dunno at higher lvl, but i cant play without my bow. Or i would prob need to start over to get a nuker, cause i cant be assed to walk all the way to each mob.

I can kill Sui in three hits and my masteries are like 5 lower than my level.

I said the only real USE for a hybrid is as a support player and the benefit they get is a nice well of int from which to draw.

You bring me a hybrid with gear equal to mine that can beat me and I will cede your point. I have to meet that person.

A hybrid doesnt have the survivability of a str or the dmg of an int. They have handicapped themselves on both ends of the spectrum. The additional dmg of being a hybrid str doesnt balance out nor does the lesser dmg of an int hybrid do enough to hurt a str through pots.

Love how every time someone posts a build guild people jump all over it defending builds.

Nonetheless

One of my guiltmates had found an 'INT archer' build on the forum.

Great. A good hour spent talking them out of that.

If they even listened.

Find that thread, nuke it.

You know damn well if they added stat alloc potions to the item mall, half those hyrids would be hybrids-no-more. And no, im not talking about a 'few points' to add some HP.

I will jump over any guide that makes outrageous claims about being "the right way" to play this game. Advice is fine; but if you say you've got the final word on the subject, you'd better be able to back it up.

Since I don't play on Xian and you don't play on Babel, your request for me to find someone who can beat you doesn't really seem pratical. In addition, your own guide reads:

If you can't count on having SOS in the endgame, why demand that I produce a hybrid player with gear equal to yours (SOS) before you'll consider them a valid choice for endgame PvP? How does Sui's gear compare to yours? I know he hasn't got an SOS spear, for one thing. And if he were pure INT you could kill him even faster, so how does the fact that you 3-skill him support your "pure only" position?

A healer gains no substantial benefit from INT except for magical defense. Does "nice well of int" mean MP? If so, who cares? You use the same MP for a skill no matter your stat distribution; you have to use the same number of MP potions no matter how high your max MP; and the force tree doesn't have any skills which will drain you faster than pots can refill you. Meanwhile, every point you don't put into STR means less HP and a quicker demise.

An INT-heavy hybrid certainly doesn't have the survivability of a pure STR, and that's good because it's not the point of the build. It is not supposed to be a tank, especially without a shield. Yes, some damage is sacrificed by having less INT than a pure build, but you make that same sacrifice as a pure INT when using sword and shield. Less damage, more defense. A 90% hybrid spear can do just as much damage as a pure INT sword, and follow it up with killer moves like GSM and SSS. A pure INT sword can't touch a 90% hybrid spear in killing power, if their gear is roughly equal. The biggest mistakes spear hybrids make is in adding too much STR and/or relying too much on their heuksal skills for PvP. Either they gimp themselves by taking away their damage advantage, or they start to think they're just glaivers who hit harder. When they stun, they win; when they don't, they lose. Boooooo. Stun is a last line of defense, when you think you can do enough damage to take them out in two more skills.

Since you want evidence, here are a few videos from PvP on Babel.
Hybrid sword vs. STR glavie. Yes, the STR wins the match, but keep in mind that the hybrid is wearing garments, and her attacks are getting slowed/cancelled a lot by the STR user's ice imbue which wouldn't be a factor today. Keep an eye on the STR user's HP bar and ask yourself how this fight would have ended with either player in armor instead of garments, plus the new alchemy which benefits INT players more than STR.
Hybrid spear vs. the same STR glavie (ignore the second fight, hybrid bow sucks). This hybrid is at least wearing protectors, but the STR is still in garments as usual. I would like to point out for the record that qweeqwik is not what I would consider a good hybrid build or a smart PvPer (mag balance too low and relies too much on heuksal and silly frost novas), and yet she wins 2 out of the 6 recorded fights. Let me reiterate: qweeqwik is a botter with a crappy build who, at level 70 and farmed, got one-hit by my guildmate Kewanaar (66 and not farmed), and yet took 2 out of 6 in a handicapped fight against one of the most experienced players on the server.

I'll try to get a FRAPS of Criterion fighting a similarly-equipped STR glavie on my server to show you.

You misinterpret my statement. I even added (IMO) to make sure ppl knew where I was coming from and this is an opinion formed from my own experiences. Frankly I have yet to meet a good hybrid build. Yes a pure int must be extra careful with his/her gear. Armor to withstand the physical attack, ice buffs and ice wall to lower physical dmg, but overall, the sheer raw power has a very good chance of overwhelming the autopot. Not if I get close enough, but I have chased miniFly in circles while he nuked me and sometimes killed me enough to know that a good PVPer can overcome such minor obstacles such as low HP. But if you are going to go with an HP limited build, why should you not get the MOST dmg from it that you can possibly get?

The "gear equal to mine" was a caveat added to PREVENT an argument such as your, "But you have SOS glaive!" argument! I realize that I have a weapon that is going to be hard to overcome and not everyone has a generous friend such as Fly at their back. Using myself as an example is not really a good one. Instead of me, let's take my guildmate Thiefz. His build is pristine, perfect, pure str glaive. Even without an SOS, he is a beast to kill. Pit any non SOS using hybrid of the same level against him on Xian... He'd love it and he'd win. Sui vs. me is a poor example and one I already know the outcome of.

Most pure ints that I know dont ONLY use spear or blade exclusively, but are interchangeable as the need arises. miniFly uses both depending on his situation as does Foilin. Like Ryoko says, I have not yet met a level 70 hybrid who doesnt long for the day when those potions that reroll stat points arrives and they can shove that hybrid build to the curb. Hybrids are generally builds based on inadequate information and hasty immediate gratification.

the bare facts are thus: dmg is based on int or phy balance. Someone with a 90% balance CANNOT, no matter how hard they wish it to be so, do as much dmg as someone with 100% balance. Your weapon can have a max dmg of 1 billion, but only someone with 100% or greater balance will deal that dmg. Defenses can be built, gear can be improved, skills can be leveled, but you will never be ALL that your ingenious build can be with gimped stats. For every point you add to int, you lower the dmg of str and vice versa. You cant get that back. You can change skills, reroll into blade or spear or sword or glaive, but you can't at this time, retrieve those stat points. More high level hybrids quit, more reroll than any other build for just that reason.

It makes me sad that someone who's been around for so long, has got such a narrow-minded and wrong image of sro.

Heavy int hybrids have good potentional at higher lvls, that gm even confirmed it once xD (which one was it again)
and Archers are not made for 1v1 lol. You might as well find pure-ints crap then haha
not to forget a heavy-int hybrid just for healing is a laugh lol
plus as an int you can also use a barebone build and farm at the cap -.-".

I used an int heavey hybrid as an example becuase a str heavy hybrid IS the single most retarded build I can imagine.

I am looking at this from a dmg perspective, not as a fun build. Str skills have a decidedly lower dmg than int ones. That is obvious. If you are a str heavy hybrid, then you are losing the HP, losing the str dmg, not gaining much in int dmg and are at the losing end of the stick no matter how you look at it. At least with an int heavy hybrid you are still getting a half decent amount of dmg going for you..not as much as your pure brethren, but still. Such a char would be a good support char, because in PVP they wouldnt be that useful. Maybe they would make it out the gate long enough to rez me? LOL I know, that was facicious and I apologize.

soo what you're saying, and please don't be offended or anything by what im about to say, (because i have NEVER gotten an end-game char, the highest lvl i've gotten with a char so far is lvl 32), is that my pure str, about to be sp farmed to hell (im lvl 16 with her now), garment wearing, light=main skill, bow user is going to suck later on??

Because atm, I can take on higher lvl people in pvp, granted i have an sos suit, and a int+3(100%), str+3(100%), bow....

....Hmm. maybe this game depends greatly on the equipment one owns...?


Im sorry, I don't know the first thing about end-game pvp or even pve for that matter.

What?

Nobody's talking about an "int hybrid" with 9x% balance.

Thats a shit comparison. Thats barely even hybrid.

And no I don't mean "9x balance with all your gears of 5 int each". That doesnt count.

That, is a "fix".

Pure ints do insane damage.
Pure ints die easily.

Hybrid ints do less damage.
Hybrid ints die easily.

Then say, "wel well, I have a shield!"

So does he.

But go ahead, keep at it. Keep encourange my players to make STR nukers, int bows, and everything else. Free to build your char how you like, right? Then at 5x when their char has 80% bal and cant kill a fly, they quit.




And how many times have you insisted your right, over fire nukes, knockdowns, bicheon skills, and more?

People attacking people who insist they are right, are ALSO insisting THEY are right, and its the same exact thing. Your just insisting your right too.

Theres a lot of too-long-to-read posts insiting they are right.

when i was trying the hybrid deal, i was disappointed in the build around 30ish. so i started reading the forums and saw SG;s lil guide. i reallocted some skills and used my skill points wisely, and im satisfied with my build..i dont have the exact stats but at 64 my HP is 9995 and int 4625.

im happy now with my build after doing some reading and asking questions. but i will never suggest a build...just point them to post and advise them to read up on it

I've made two characters so far. My first one is only level 30 and was a really messed up hybrid. My second is a pure str blader. I will be making a third that is hybrid based on my experience at GNG.

are you gonna sp farm it? if so ill help ya buy a sox bow and when you done i can start on a new char too.

This name alone... Building a char: The Righy Way. You act like somebody who knows all. No offense, but I don't think thats the right way to act. People begin to doubt there build, only because you said so. I think hybrid are the future. You call it a handicap, I think that a right build hybrid takes both adventages and mixes them up. A INT heavy hybrid won't die as fast, and deals quite nice damage. Maybe this build isn't meant as an survivor, but more as a longer suriving INT build. A 90/85% Hybrid still deals WAY more damage then a pure STR.



Just don't act like you know everything.

not true i wouldnt have changed wongs build

I think "suggesting" builds is the wrong way to go.. instead it'd be better to just list the different types of builds available and give a brief description of those builds based on pure facts not your opinions.

That way players can choose what to be based on the descriptions so they have an easier time playing. Instead of going through the forums and seeing someone rant about how int hybrids suck or how pure str glaive is the best build and still being confused about their build.

I said:



I did not say: All

I did not say: Master_wong.



The pure threads get flamed up and down about hybrids and doing what you please.

The hybrid thread basically says 'any posts contesting hybrids will be nuked'. ( go read)

THAT is a fact.

Whenever someone makes a GOOD point about pure builds, people resort to 'let people do what they want'.

What does 'do what you want' result in?

Fact:

A guildmate of mine level 47 nuker hybrid with 20 ice, 20 fire, 20 lightning, 41 spear, 20 bow, and 20 bicheon - would cost over $100 in alloc pots to fix - that now quit the game cuz of their character.

nightbloom and fly have always advocated that the PURE builds are the strongest builds in the game, since day 1, if you go to tavern and use search button on these two, you'll see what I mean. just don't even try persuading or convincing him, he thinks two dimensional(2D).

here's a fact though, at least for new servers.

hybrid ints will level almost as fast as pure ints.
hybrid ints will hit levels faster than pure strs.
hybrid ints will have a better chance getting the first unique kill (TG), in terms of tanking further than a pure int, and doing more dmg than a pure str.
hybrid ints will have a better chance getting the second unique kill first(urechi), in terms of tanking longer than a pure int, and doing more dmg than a pure str.
hybrid ints will have a better chance getting the third unique kill first, maybe even guaranteed, isy is int, at lvl 57 a hybrid int will have enough hp and enough mg defense if properly equipped to solo isy, just would take a long ass time.

^^ All of this above is true where I've done this myself, and all from my personal experience, hybrid int is truly the all around build, you can use weapons skills like a glavie or blader, and use nukes like a pure int. nightbloom is correct, it is a fun build, but when it comes down to high level pvp, i will just have to say i havent hit the cap with a hybrid int and farmed with gear of sos and weaps of sos nor alchemy of course. but i still want to comment on this though, with a little common sense of how the game works.

It could be said that Babel Server is so old that maybe back in the day the PURE builds was what all everyone had done, because hybrid builds were still experimental, but now that alchemy is introduced, someone that knows how to build a hybrid int correctly will have a really dominate build. of course gear/weapon/farmed will still play a big role always.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3CgMQ8nRR44

there is no doubt, if the hybrid int sword used armor, he would have survived all the rounds and most likely delivered enough more dmg and would have won all 3. what that means nightbloom, a hybrid int can kill a pure str glavie, at high levels, he already did it once. if the hybrid int fought you nightbloom, it would come down to the basics, both of you will have to be properly equipped, str using garments, int using armor. now i hear you have sos gear, what if the hybrid int also had sos gear, and what's that, you have sos weaps? what if the hyb int had a sos weaps? maybe even the same even +'s? what's that? he ccf'd just like you to get this stuff?

nightbloom, in all honestly when each build is correctly built, it will always come down to who is better farmed,alchemied,gear,weaps, and luck, not who has better build.

+1 for intelligent post.

I think alot of this comes from

Miscom: I don't consider putting the first 10 levels int HP as a boost a real "hybrid". The final balance is still 9x and fine. 9x is a good build. But if you take off all your gear, and your 80%.... then you get +5 INT items to "fix" that instead of "enhancing" your 9x, NOW your truly in denial.

You reduced your damage but a good soul-spear-soul still puts you to bed if you don't block. Then you wear SOS gears and it doesnt kill you - and say "im strong look at me."

But if you wanna nitpick it and count 2 points of STR as no longer being "pure", I guess your right on the black-and-white technical point of view

Secondly, I think alot of SRF support the hybrids because they already are one, and it makes them angry to read that their build could be better.

Just saying that could piss people off but LOOK at my guildmate I talked about, and LOOK at the pattern:

Pro hybrid threats become a meeting place where all agree and say "me tooooo"

Pro pure threads get bombed and terrorized more than certain countries I dont live in.

@bloom

I admit glaives and blades beat my bow ass. But I love bow. Even in diablo, I was always a bow. Therein lies the 'do what you want' backup statement.

DO what you want. But deal with it and dont complain when it doesnt work. (Still guilty myself)

And er... yeah.. I AM using an SOS bow lolol

Things will get better when im not 68 using 61 skills. Sigh.

I'm Ryoko. I am a hybrid, and I totally hate it. Maybe someday we will get the stat pots.

Things would be totally different if just ONE PERSON told me how to assign stats when I was noob. But, not one.

Well I'm not saying hybrids are what's up, personally I'd prefer a pure build to be safe you know you're getting the raw strength or fearless tanking ability with whichever pure build you choose.

There would just be a lot less thread bashing if someone with a mutual understanding of pure builds and hybrid builds listed the pro's and con's of each.

sorry i read over the half bit by accident lol

im gona try make wong again on tiblet while i wait for a new mmorpg to come out lol

I can respect someone who makes their build based on "what they like". I did not write that to contest "what you like". That is purely subjective. I repeated over and over and over that I wrote that from a PURELY dmg point of view, PURELY as a guide to not getting killed in PVP and laying on the ground feeling weak.

YES an int hybrid levels faster, but what is the point of that if everytime you throw on a cape, job suit or war, someone three levels lower than you slaughters you and laughs at you? It's embarrassing and it sucks and ppl quit because of it. They get confused because yes, in the 3X levels, they pwn and then suddenly, they hit the higher registers and spend all their time laying dead in PVP of any kind. It is disheartening to think that you worked so hard to attain those levels only to find out that some flaw in your build suddenly makes you weak as hell. There is a certain satisfaction in being able to kill the guy that pisses you off. There is a certain humiliation to having that same guy lay you flat everytime you come against him in PVP and make no mistake, a hybrid will DIE to a pure in PVP.

There is NOTHING wrong with building your char your way. Finding out for yourself is a good thing. But not if you are going to quit because you have fubar'ed your build or feel worthless in PVP.

Mastering PVE is a simple thing to do. Being able to level is no great feat, a retarded bot program can do it. I fail to see how using that as a way to advocate a hybrid build proves much.

a hybrid can slaughter a pure str, the same can be said the other way, like i said before:

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nightbloom, in all honestly when each build is correctly built, it will always come down to who is better farmed,alchemied,gear,weaps, and luck, not who has better build.

squeese me ? last time i was out thieving I was the one tanking the 54 pure str glaiver ( im 50 btw ) I was the one still standing after the rest killed him. I survived couse im a hybrid
Killing him would be inposible for me , considering his hp and my weapon damage (him with a 52 weapon to add , im still stuck with a 42 sos sword witch is about equal to 48 +2ish cept that it has 156 attack rating , witch owns most 58 weapons i see in ppls stalls ) but had i been full int i would have surely died
Was it luck or was it the fact i have more hp and phy defence and heal more out of a hp pot than a full int ?
Think about it , its not like a pure int can 1 hit nuke a pure str anyway's and the killing hit is always with overdamage so i dont realy see a problem with the lil lower damage i do conpaired to a full int with same gear as me

IMO wat it all comes down to in the end is: For some ppl it will work and for others it wont ,every build has pro's and cons in pvp some builds might be technicaly at an advantage but if your unlucky or make a mistake it can cost you a match no matter wat build .
accept wat you play , know its cons , and try to avoid being in a situation you know is hard on you and have fun ....... and ints should never travel alone pure or hybrid

Tanking and letting other people kill=teh no braggings. A Str could do a better job of it.