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The_KlNG · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 79

nightbloom wrote:

He might be considered so if he published in the newspaper that every single person in America who has ever left their car door unocked is now a criminal and being as how the law isnt properly taking care of this issue to his satisfaction, he has now decided to steal every single car in the US that has ever had it's car door unlocked overnight. Not only that, but now, locking your car door does no good, repentance and a change of your former unlocking ways is immaterial, you will have no car in the morning.

No no no, and Hell NO.

Go get something to drink, watch a movie eat some food, come back and see how ridiculous your comment and the argument really are.

Look, I play SRO when the list come out am I scare? No, why? Because I’m legit. Let say that I’m not, do you think I’ll be scare? Hell no. even if a botter see this do you think he'll be scare? If they are scare they wouldn't have bot in the first place. Go to any given server/place/time of the day ask any of those botter if they are scare.

OK, let say that they do get intimidated by this, Santa = terrorist? Oh come on tat is way too farfetched.

Player1: Hey, man you hear of that dude Santa he hacking people man. I’m hella scare
Player 2: I don’t know man but I’m scare too
Player 1: yeah man he’s a terrorist let call the Department of homeland security

DHS: What??!!! He doing what? Call Mr.: president and move it to red alert we got a hacker on the loose

nightbloom · **Joined:** Jan 2006 **Posts:** 5492 **Location:**

Bakemaster wrote:

I don't give a rat's ass about the justice system. Which justice system? The almighty court of the internet? It has no bearing here. And even if it did, who's going to jail? "Santa" is not a court, he is a vigilante. He is not imprisoning people, he is stealing their posessions. And if his list comes from a master list of bot users, nobody on that list is innocent! If we're going with the legal metaphor, they committed a crime with no statute of limitations and no maximum sentence. By using the bot even once, that account is forfeit, including any future gains no matter how legitimate. If they didn't happen to be banned by Joymax when they botted, that doesn't mean their guilt is absolved. Justice does not say, "It's only wrong if you get caught."

So, when not in America, the idea of law with due process is invalid? Yes, Santa is a vigilante, one with criminal tendencies and obvious self aggrandizement issues. You dont know where he got those names. Some of them are very old accounts, ones that have been made murderer because a LOT of ppl have the account information. That alone makes his claim suspicious. And the future gains of the suspect are forfeit but the gains of the vigilante are not? He is just as bad, if not worse than probably the majority of the ppl he claimes to have hacked.

Bakemaster wrote:

nightbloom wrote:

Bakemaster wrote:

It's more like, they left their car unlocked overnight, and now it's gone.
- Am I sorry it happend? Of course!
- Does this make their neighbor afraid that perhaps his car will be stolen? Of course it does!
- Is the carjacker a terrorist? Hell no!

He might be considered so if he published in the newspaper that every single person in America who has ever left their car door unocked is now a criminal and being as how the law isnt properly taking care of this issue to his satisfaction, he has now decided to steal every single car in the US that has ever had it's car door unlocked overnight. Not only that, but now, locking your car door does no good, repentance and a change of your former unlocking ways is immaterial, you will have no car in the morning.

That's a different situation. People who leave their car doors unlocked are not criminals, but players who bot are. Changing your ways is all well and good, and if someone repents and starts a new account and never bots on it, they are in the clear! But not the account they used the bot on. They lost the right to keep that account. Too bad, good bye. Should have changed your password.

You are right, that is a bad example, but that is one you gave me. Let's put in a different light, shall we?

Santa is sick and tired of ppl cheating at Monopoly. It clearly states in the official rules of Monopoly that taking an extra $200 from the bank when you pass go is just blatantly again the rules. In order to combat Hasbro's lack of reponse on this issue, Santa is going to commit several FEDERAL CRIMES. You guys are going to stand around and call him just, a Monopoly Robin Hood, a hero. He is going to print out a manifest touting his list of supposed go cheaters (I do notice that he has taken their names and email off, but they were there originally). People are going to look at eachother with suspicion. Every hacking victim from now on is branded as a Monopoly cheater and suddenly the casual Monopoly game offender is more vilified than the federal criminal. Funny.

Bakemaster wrote:

There are honest criminals. A criminal is someone who breaks the law. Sometimes it is just to break the law. I will forever trust the word of a just man over the word of a man who is only obedient.

I dont think the truly just man commits a federal crime to punish gamers. That is just a criminal with a lame and narrow focus of what we are doing here. We are playing a game. I dont like botters (tho, God knows, miniFly has made a killing in botters' gear), but I REALLY dont like hackers. Your casual botter plays, gets maxed, loses interest and generally moves on to the next game. Your hacker stays where the money is and we know that Santa is making money, he said so himself.

MrJoey · **Posted:** Sun Oct 01, 2006 1:18 am

The_KlNG wrote:

nightbloom wrote:

He might be considered so if he published in the newspaper that every single person in America who has ever left their car door unocked is now a criminal and being as how the law isnt properly taking care of this issue to his satisfaction, he has now decided to steal every single car in the US that has ever had it's car door unlocked overnight. Not only that, but now, locking your car door does no good, repentance and a change of your former unlocking ways is immaterial, you will have no car in the morning.

No no no, and Hell NO.

Go get something to drink, watch a movie eat some food, come back and see how ridiculous your comment and the argument really are.

Look, I play SRO when the list come out am I scare? No, why? Because I’m legit. Let say that I’m not, do you think I’ll be scare? Hell no. even if a botter see this do you think he'll be scare? If they are scare they wouldn't have bot in the first place. Go to any given server/place/time of the day ask any of those botter if they are scare.

OK, let say that they do get intimidated by this, Santa = terrorist? Oh come on tat is way too farfetched.

Player1: Hey, man you hear of that dude Santa he hacking people man. I’m hella scare
Player 2: I don’t know man but I’m scare too
Player 1: yeah man he’s a terrorist let call the Department of homeland security

DHS: What??!!! He doing what? Call Mr.: president and move it to red alert we got a hacker on the loose

It's called an analogy. As in, something that's different, but can in a way be compared.

Ja · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 552 **Location:**

im all for getting rid of botters. but hacking is against TOS just as well as botting is. it doesn't matter if they hacked into joymax database or not.

Joymax wrote:

Article 5 (Definition of Hacking)

1. Hacking shall mean acquisition other’s cyber information without permission and breaking it. In the game, character, items and others that is the result by user’s efforts are stolen mainly. And many cyber money, character, items and etc. are copied in a short time, in the result of that, whole order of the game will be broken. All the above behavior is included in hacking.

Article 6 (Process of Hacking)

1. Anyone can not do hacking.

breaking the rules is breaking the rules... there is no way to do justify such actions..

jabbers · **Posted:** Sun Oct 01, 2006 5:48 am

all im saying is if I open up the paper and read that a bunch of drug dealers shot and killed each other in a deal gone bad or something to that effect, I will be glad since that means the world has been made a little better.

nightbloom · **Joined:** Jan 2006 **Posts:** 5492 **Location:**

jabbers wrote:

all im saying is if I open up the paper and read that a bunch of drug dealers shot and killed each other in a deal gone bad or something to that effect, I will be glad since that means the world has been made a little better.

You can equate Santa with a drug dealer sure.. He's commited an actual crime. BUt this is more like a drug dealer having a shoot out with a lady who cheated on her WeightWatcher's diet plan. You are playing too much when you think someone cheating in a game is on par with someone who commits a federal crime. Cheating in SRO is annoying, yes. Its morally wrong, yes. BUt its not a crime. Hacking is.

Bakemaster · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 4732 **Location:**

Wow NB, you really need to give the whole "federal crime" thing a rest. The United States has absolutely no legal connection to these activities. The owner of the data is a Korean company and the hacker is in Poland. The US is a federal republic (not a democracy) but Korea and Poland are not federal republics, ergo there is no federal crime.

In fact, unless you can pull a degree in international law out of your ass and scan a pic of it, I question whether any law has been broken at all. Who are the aggrieved parties? The players don't own the data, and Joymax has not been hacked, therefore the only option is the bot company. Is the bot company a legitimate business or a criminal organization infringing on Joymax's intellectual property? Even if there is legal precedent for bringing this hacker to court, it's far more likely to be a civil case than a criminal one. And in that case, there is no case! How do you bring a civil suit in China against a hacker in Poland for actions revolving around a game made in Korea?

For crap's sake, some people are treating this like a way bigger deal than it really is. THIS IS A GAME. This is not someone kicking a puppy dog! This is not someone stealing your kid's college tuition! The worst case scenario is that people can't play this game any more! At least then they wouldn't have the stress of dealing with all the imbecilic drama of onoes ppls gon hax my itamz one one one!

CHEESE AND CRACKERS!!! I'm probably the last person who should be criticizing others for taking things too seriously, but this is insane. Federal crimes, shee-it!

Ohmigosh, Google gone done and gave me a gift - is this what we call "precedent"?

Crumpets · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 7800 **Location:**

Well Bake as I said .. you obviously didin't red it .. joymax are on the verge of slapping a lawsuit on them.. so somethign has been broken.

I guess its privacy

aghost153 · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 86

lol
we should have a thread call silkroad drama zmofg lmao :twisted:

Bakemaster · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 4732 **Location:**

Plus44 wrote:

Well Bake as I said .. you obviously didin't red it .. joymax are on the verge of slapping a lawsuit on them..

Proof or go home.

The_KlNG · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 79

Plus44 wrote:

Well Bake as I said .. you obviously didin't red it .. joymax are on the verge of slapping a lawsuit on them.. so somethign has been broken.

I guess its privacy

BS

MrJoey wrote:

It's called an analogy. As in, something that's different, but can in a way be compared.

An argument by analogy is proven false, its nothing more then candy coat word to trick liltle kid.

nightbloom wrote:

You can equate Santa with a drug dealer sure.. He's commited an actual crime. BUt this is more like a drug dealer having a shoot out with a lady who cheated on her WeightWatcher's diet plan. You are playing too much when you think someone cheating in a game is on par with someone who commits a federal crime. Cheating in SRO is annoying, yes. Its morally wrong, yes. BUt its not a crime. Hacking is.

Please give it a rest, i hate to double post in two topic, but Santa is not commiting any crime. Read the posted link given by bakemaster, and if that not enough proof for you google there are thousand more.

Crumpets · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 7800 **Location:**

Bakemaster wrote:

Plus44 wrote:

Well Bake as I said .. you obviously didin't red it .. joymax are on the verge of slapping a lawsuit on them..

Proof or go home.

Hmm how bout you lose the attitude Mr.
I needn't prove myself nor you needn't believe it. Belive what you want to.

And The_KING, lmao It's bullshit aye?

Sintaku · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 191 **Location:**

I dunno if anyone said this already but... all the users on that list were hacked because they used the LXY bot.

Well I found out because I googled it...You can see the topic yourself.

Suppaman · **Joined:** Jun 2006 **Posts:** 1346 **Location:**

Plus44 wrote:

Bakemaster wrote:

Plus44 wrote:

Well Bake as I said .. you obviously didin't red it .. joymax are on the verge of slapping a lawsuit on them..

Proof or go home.

Hmm how bout you lose the attitude Mr.
I needn't prove myself nor you needn't believe it. Belive what you want to.

And The_KING, lmao It's bullshit aye?

whats the pointing of posting it if you aren't going prove it or if you dont expect us to believe it. :roll:

Bake is right(OMG never evaaarrr thought id say that...)

Bakemaster · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 4732 **Location:**

Plus44 wrote:

Bakemaster wrote:

Plus44 wrote:

Well Bake as I said .. you obviously didin't red it .. joymax are on the verge of slapping a lawsuit on them..

Proof or go home.

Hmm how bout you lose the attitude Mr.
I needn't prove myself nor you needn't believe it. Belive what you want to.

I have free advice for you. If you want to be taken seriously, don't go making things up about what Joymax is doing on a forum that half a dozen Silk Assistants read.

Ja · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 552 **Location:**

so other then the forum giants here at srf causing collateral damage to such an interesting topic, has there been a new list released or what? is this real? the botters are still ks-ing me out of my grinding spot :banghead:

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