Random rogue trivia.[updated]

Juey · **Joined:** Jun 2006 **Posts:** 786 **Location:**

Updated 29.08.07

* When in Stealth no monster can attack you, regardless if they are champion or gigant. So you are free to walk around safely. The latest update removes the shadow after stealth, so now they cant any longer see your shadow, so you are 100% invisible.

* Power Shot and Intense Shot can be used on mob that are knocked down, and they can knock back too. No more worry about being KS by someone who knock down your target!

* Duplicate and Monster Masks is fun in the beginning, but after a while it gets boring and rather useless

* There is still a bug that allow you to use all skills when you're using a mask, but you can't move...

* Poison Trap and Poison Field are useless, Poison Weapons is all you need.

* Scorn is another useless skill.

* With Bard sub class, and skills March and Noise, you can grind fast and easily at much higher level area (at lv 70 the Noise skill can prevent lv 80 monsters from going aggro on you). However because of lag and crit, and getting mobbed by gigants and champs, you will still die alot.

* Stealth is awesome, beware of various stealth detecting methods, and your own Destealth doesn't work on Wizards Stealth.

* So far the best with Rogue when jobbing is sneaking up close to your enemy then pick off your target from a distance then run away. The level 70 bard March skill give u 80% moving speed increase so no chinese players can catch up to you. Even if they do you can just go stealthed after running for 20 secs and watch them run right past you

Then return to their group and start harrassing them again.

* Rogue with bard sub is like a chinese nuker with critical damage, but also faster, can attack from a further distance, and can go invisible.

Feel free to add more.

Hydra · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 131 **Location:** ...

After you use the monster mask skill, there is a 10-minute cooldown. You don't have to just stand there and wait. You could go to another char and do something for 10 minutes and go back to the rogue char.

BTW, thanks for sharing these tips.

Stompy · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 112 **Location:**

Usefull

Major Tip!!!!!!

**Do not use your lvl 20 Buff while tanking***

^^ alot of people do this and thhink they are weak, that is why, Dont use this skill while tanking.

I cant remeber name of the skill.... but yeah

MogHunter · **Joined:** Apr 2006 **Posts:** 337 **Location:**

Stompy wrote:

Usefull

Major Tip!!!!!!

**Do not use your lvl 20 Buff while tanking***

^^ alot of people do this and thhink they are weak, that is why, Dont use this skill while tanking.

I cant remeber name of the skill.... but yeah

Yeah that skill is called dagger desperate and lowers your defence by a load...
It's got me killed many times cause i take crits of up to 1.5k dmg at lvl32
:roll:

Ell · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 3281 **Location:**

Mask cool down doesn't refresh even if you log out

Hydra · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 131 **Location:** ...

Ell wrote:

Mask cool down doesn't refresh even if you log out

Umm.. Yes, it does. I've made about 50 masks and I did this. You just have to wait a little longer.

Disconn3cted · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 3293 **Location:** WV, USA

Hydra wrote:

Ell wrote:

Mask cool down doesn't refresh even if you log out

Umm.. Yes, it does. I've made about 50 masks and I did this. You just have to wait a little longer.

no it doesn't when i log off and log back in it is still cooling down unless you logged off and waited the whole 9 minutes :roll:

Juey · **Joined:** Jun 2006 **Posts:** 786 **Location:**

updated.

CaptainJ · **Joined:** Sep 2006 **Posts:** 41 **Location:** USA

Scorn and gross scorn are pretty useful when u wanna protect wiz / cleric in pvp , a ~4sec can give them enough time to nuke/offering

Vindicator · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 1734 **Location:** L-A-B

Quote:

The level 70 bard March skill give u 80% moving speed increase so no chinese players can catch up to you.

lvl 10 grass walk: 73%
garms:................20%
..........................-----
.........................93% + 22m phantom >.< rouge got pwned

even without garms its possible to catch the rouge unless they use lvl 80 speed skill = 90% and the chaser doesnt use phantom / doesnt have garm

Juey · **Joined:** Jun 2006 **Posts:** 786 **Location:**

Vindicator wrote:

Quote:

The level 70 bard March skill give u 80% moving speed increase so no chinese players can catch up to you.

lvl 10 grass walk: 73%
garms:................20%
..........................-----
.........................93% + 22m phantom >.< rouge got pwned

even without garms its possible to catch the rouge unless they use lvl 80 speed skill = 90% and the chaser doesnt use phantom / doesnt have garm

93% vs 80% aren't that much a difference, with the lag, you won't be able to tell the difference.
Few players got 73% even fewer got 73% + garms, and rogue always have a head start sicne they hit and run. I've never seen anyone used phantom to chase me in such a sudden situation. And they only have 20 seconds before I can use Stealth, so...not getting pwned

Vindicator · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 1734 **Location:** L-A-B

Juey wrote:

Vindicator wrote:

Quote:

The level 70 bard March skill give u 80% moving speed increase so no chinese players can catch up to you.

lvl 10 grass walk: 73%
garms:................20%
..........................-----
.........................93% + 22m phantom >.< rouge got pwned

even without garms its possible to catch the rouge unless they use lvl 80 speed skill = 90% and the chaser doesnt use phantom / doesnt have garm

Few players got 73% even fewer got 73% + garms, and rogue always have a head start sicne they hit and run. I've never seen anyone used phantom to chase me in such a sudden situation. And they only have 20 seconds before I can use Stealth, so...not getting pwned

i wish we were on the same server...im up for a bit of cat n mouse about now

I farmed for like 6 months so ya...i ahve 73% grass walk and garms...im faster than a lvl 60 horse. And who knows....silver honor buff (?) 20% more moving speed :twisted:

ping_lo · **Joined:** Oct 2006 **Posts:** 911 **Location:**

Juey wrote:

Updated 29.08.07

* When in Stealth no monster can attack you, regardless if they are champion or gigant. So you are free to walk around safely. The latest update removes the shadow after stealth, so now they cant any longer see your shadow, so you are 100% invisible.

If someone has their graphics details up higher they can still see your footprints in some areas.

Juey wrote:

* Duplicate and Monster Masks is fun in the beginning, but after a while it gets boring and rather useless

Highly useful skill while thieving. The further away from someone you are a few things begin to happen. First your name etc stop drawing. At this point all they would see is some thief char. But not be able to read the name. And eventually when you are far enough away neither of you will draw on eachothers screens. It is the former condition where the monster mask skill is most useful. At that inbetween range you can stalk them much quicker as one of the indigenous creatures than you can in stealth mode. Granted you might get spotted but if you are skilled with it that is not a huge issue. Also some masks are supremely useful. Koroku masks for instance. Put one of those on and the only person who will be able to catch you will be either using typhoon or on ostrich. They are invaluable for traveling quick or making quick getaways. Koroku masks at least make it an absolute must to get the skill to lvl 40 masteries.

Juey wrote:

* Poison Trap and Poison Field are useless, Poison Weapons is all you need.

They are not as readily useful as some other skills. But poison trap. It most definatly has uses. Good range and duration make this a highly underrated skill. Still maybe a skill better left for later. But hardly useless. Poison field? Ok that is semi pointless after poison trap.

Juey wrote:

* Scorn is another useless skill.

It is suicide if you are not good at handling it. But the way alot of ppl play is by rapidly spamming buttons. You scorn the enemy before they kill a friend and then run. All those scorned will come after you as they spam keys. But as long as you keep ahead they will not touch you and your friend will get some free shots in the confusion. It is a strategy/party PVP skill. So it is not always well apreciated.

Juey wrote:

* With Bard sub class, and skills March and Noise, you can grind fast and easily at much higher level area (at lv 70 the Noise skill can prevent lv 80 monsters from going aggro on you). However because of lag and crit, and getting mobbed by gigants and champs, you will still die alot.

I thought the same. And I am not gonna say it is a stupid combo. But for me I began to question the investment in masteries and sp for 2 skills when subs like cleric have many many useful skills and passives that are well matched to rogue. Honestly a no sub rogue is a great char. So whatever sub you like is best for you.

Juey wrote:

* So far the best with Rogue when jobbing is sneaking up close to your enemy then pick off your target from a distance then run away. The level 70 bard March skill give u 80% moving speed increase so no chinese players can catch up to you. Even if they do you can just go stealthed after running for 20 secs and watch them run right past you

Then return to their group and start harrassing them again.

Not a bad tactic at all. But with cleric or warlock subs you can stand your ground. But that is all baout fighting style and not right or wrong.

Juey wrote:

* Rogue with bard sub is like a chinese nuker with critical damage, but also faster, can attack from a further distance, and can go invisible.

I guess that makes Rogue clerics like hybrid ints that currently are the bane of most other builds. Mind though that at future caps many hybrid int/str etc will get weaker as builds have to specialize more. Chinese get all their masteries up front to play with. Euro get a 2 mastery per lvl allowance. In the end though we will all only be able to have 2 maxed trees.

im_a_bot · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 568 **Location:**

Juey wrote:

Updated 29.08.07

* There is still a bug that allow you to use all skills when you're using a mask, but you can't move...

* Poison Trap and Poison Field are useless, Poison Weapons is all you need.

* Scorn is another useless skill.

the bug your talknig about, you can move you just have to attack somthing and run away.

poison trap and field are usefull you cant just pooison 5 mobs at once with your weapon.

scorn is usefull in pvp because what if your cleric or guild mate or friend is getting owned?you can just stop the guy from attacking him...

crazyskwrls · **Joined:** Aug 2007 **Posts:** 2293 **Location:**

Juey wrote:

Vindicator wrote:

Quote:

The level 70 bard March skill give u 80% moving speed increase so no chinese players can catch up to you.

lvl 10 grass walk: 73%
garms:................20%
..........................-----
.........................93% + 22m phantom >.< rouge got pwned

even without garms its possible to catch the rouge unless they use lvl 80 speed skill = 90% and the chaser doesnt use phantom / doesnt have garm

93% vs 80% aren't that much a difference, with the lag, you won't be able to tell the difference.
Few players got 73% even fewer got 73% + garms, and rogue always have a head start sicne they hit and run. I've never seen anyone used phantom to chase me in such a sudden situation. And they only have 20 seconds before I can use Stealth, so...not getting pwned

AND

there is a dagger skill called scud or something like that, it give u 45% speed increase for 15 sec at lv 1 so....

rogue FTW!!!!

by the way i dont know if the skills can be used togther

Sylhana · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 3467 **Location:**

crazyskwrls wrote:

Juey wrote:

Vindicator wrote:

Quote:

The level 70 bard March skill give u 80% moving speed increase so no chinese players can catch up to you.

lvl 10 grass walk: 73%
garms:................20%
..........................-----
.........................93% + 22m phantom >.< rouge got pwned

even without garms its possible to catch the rouge unless they use lvl 80 speed skill = 90% and the chaser doesnt use phantom / doesnt have garm

93% vs 80% aren't that much a difference, with the lag, you won't be able to tell the difference.
Few players got 73% even fewer got 73% + garms, and rogue always have a head start sicne they hit and run. I've never seen anyone used phantom to chase me in such a sudden situation. And they only have 20 seconds before I can use Stealth, so...not getting pwned

AND

there is a dagger skill called scud or something like that, it give u 45% speed increase for 15 sec at lv 1 so....

rogue FTW!!!!

by the way i dont know if the skills can be used togther

Scud cant be used with typhoon pots (the typhoon pot effect is temporarily disabled) not sure about band march, havnt tested it.

Behemoth · **Joined:** Feb 2006 **Posts:** 394 **Location:**

at lv8 scud gives u 132% speed increase so... 93% vs 132%
pretty sweet if u ask me

Vindicator · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 1734 **Location:** L-A-B

PHOOEY! i forgot about scud.....stupid me >.< and the passive that gives rouges move speed....damiT!!

Sylhana · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 3467 **Location:**

Behemoth wrote:

at lv8 scud gives u 132% speed increase so... 93% vs 132%
pretty sweet if u ask me

Thats pretty quick

Snudge · **Joined:** Jun 2006 **Posts:** 4200 **Location:**

Vindicator wrote:

PHOOEY! i forgot about scud.....stupid me >.< and the passive that gives rouges move speed....damiT!!

Scud is no passive, and besides Scud, there is no other skill in the rogue tree that increases movement speed.

Vandall · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 1923 **Location:**

Sylhana wrote:

Behemoth wrote:

at lv8 scud gives u 132% speed increase so... 93% vs 132%
pretty sweet if u ask me

Thats pretty quick

yea it is, but keep in mind that its only for a short amount of time

XemnasXD · **Posted:** Wed Aug 29, 2007 11:44 pm

Snudge wrote:

Vindicator wrote:

PHOOEY! i forgot about scud.....stupid me >.< and the passive that gives rouges move speed....damiT!!

Scud is no passive, and besides Scud, there is no other skill in the rogue tree that increases movement speed.

Daggers get a passive that permanently increase movement speed but only when stealthed

Snudge · **Joined:** Jun 2006 **Posts:** 4200 **Location:**

XemnasXD wrote:

Snudge wrote:

Vindicator wrote:

PHOOEY! i forgot about scud.....stupid me >.< and the passive that gives rouges move speed....damiT!!

Scud is no passive, and besides Scud, there is no other skill in the rogue tree that increases movement speed.

Daggers get a passive that permanently increase movement speed but only when stealthed

Yet still, any skill used breaks stealth. So the passive is only of use when stealthed, whereas Scud is only of use when stealthed.

You_Dead_Yet · **Joined:** Mar 2007 **Posts:** 380 **Location:** here

hm i dont get it, then what's the use of the passive skill "Stealth Dagger" ? In the description it says that it is only effective in stealth status.. And it gives phy. att. power increase???

There must have a way for rogues to attack while stealth?

Snudge wrote:

Yet still, any skill used breaks stealth. So the passive is only of use when stealthed, whereas Scud is only of use when stealthed.

Well that's ok, you can go stealth when chasing an enemy or when you need to run for a bit, you dont really need speed in fights, not with the range the crossbow got!

Nantosh · **Posted:** Thu Aug 30, 2007 12:42 am

Well I dont know if they fixed it yet or not, but I remember a few times that whilst in a party, it was all rogues, and one of them used scud before going stealth and ripped past all of us....however I didnt bother to test it myself so.....

Vandall · **Joined:** Apr 2007 **Posts:** 1923 **Location:**

Nantosh wrote:

Well I dont know if they fixed it yet or not, but I remember a few times that whilst in a party, it was all rogues, and one of them used scud before going stealth and ripped past all of us....however I didnt bother to test it myself so.....

why would they fix that? i sometimes scud then switch to xbow, you arent using activating a new skill while in stealth mode

Nantosh · **Posted:** Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:52 am

Vandall wrote:

Nantosh wrote:

Well I dont know if they fixed it yet or not, but I remember a few times that whilst in a party, it was all rogues, and one of them used scud before going stealth and ripped past all of us....however I didnt bother to test it myself so.....

why would they fix that? i sometimes scud then switch to xbow, you arent using activating a new skill while in stealth mode

True, but its still kinda odd....

ciddy · **Joined:** Dec 2006 **Posts:** 864 **Location:**

god this post make me like my rogue and and make me want to sub bard

-after a recently update you cant duplicate a person wearing cape or job suit so much for murdering lvl 80 bots :banghead:

-at lvl 50 mastery a crossbow can triple knockback someone who is knockdown

Blast shot + intense shot + power shot = owned

XemnasXD · **Posted:** Thu Aug 30, 2007 2:50 am

Snudge wrote:

XemnasXD wrote:

Snudge wrote:

Vindicator wrote:

PHOOEY! i forgot about scud.....stupid me >.< and the passive that gives rouges move speed....damiT!!

Scud is no passive, and besides Scud, there is no other skill in the rogue tree that increases movement speed.

Daggers get a passive that permanently increase movement speed but only when stealthed

Yet still, any skill used breaks stealth. So the passive is only of use when stealthed, whereas Scud is only of use when stealthed.

I was just correcting because there ARE skillz that increase movement speed besides scud in the rogue tree contrary to what you stated regardless of when the skill can be used.

OT: I have a rogue guide in the C&S section filled with lots of useful info if any rogues out there are interested

CastrateYou · **Joined:** Jun 2007 **Posts:** 219

Juey wrote:

Updated 29.08.07

* When in Stealth no monster can attack you, regardless if they are champion or gigant. So you are free to walk around safely. The latest update removes the shadow after stealth, so now they cant any longer see your shadow, so you are 100% invisible.

* Power Shot and Intense Shot can be used on mob that are knocked down, and they can knock back too. No more worry about being KS by someone who knock down your target!
Dont forget the 50% bonus dmg

* Duplicate and Monster Masks is fun in the beginning, but after a while it gets boring and rather useless
Definitely not useless, you just dunno what to use them for

* There is still a bug that allow you to use all skills when you're using a mask, but you can't move...

* Poison Trap and Poison Field are useless, Poison Weapons is all you need.
Again, definitely not useless

* Scorn is another useless skill.
Definitely not useless

* With Bard sub class, and skills March and Noise, you can grind fast and easily at much higher level area (at lv 70 the Noise skill can prevent lv 80 monsters from going aggro on you). However because of lag and crit, and getting mobbed by gigants and champs, you will still die alot.
LOL i think u get bard for speed boost and noise only? No wonder you die so much

* Stealth is awesome, beware of various stealth detecting methods, and your own Destealth doesn't work on Wizards Stealth.

* So far the best with Rogue when jobbing is sneaking up close to your enemy then pick off your target from a distance then run away. The level 70 bard March skill give u 80% moving speed increase so no chinese players can catch up to you. Even if they do you can just go stealthed after running for 20 secs and watch them run right past you

Then return to their group and start harrassing them again.

* Rogue with bard sub is like a chinese nuker with critical damage, but also faster, can attack from a further distance, and can go invisible.
And also higher health

Feel free to add more.

Just another N- post that draws conclusion too early

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