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 Post subject: Final Hope?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 1:32 am 
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Well im too low level so i cant test for myself (btw tahnks for all the helps that im gettin from this forums its really helpful) but every videi c of rogue vs warrior its either an tie or rogue wins. Is their any chance a warrior can beat rogue? I mean rogue with DD or CX wouldnt that make em weaker and warriors mana/iron skill have any effect? Also how much damage is reduced with the iron skill.
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 Post subject: Re: Final Hope?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 1:38 am 
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Well, Rogues are made to deal damage. my rogue is lvl 63 and oneshots lvl 69-72 ints, but gets killed by lvl 52+. a warrior can kill a rogue with just maddening (or dare devil if 80). its just about who hits first :>.

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 Post subject: Re: Final Hope?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 2:57 am 
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Which would probably be daggers unless you use the lvl 40 move
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 Post subject: Re: Final Hope?
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based on my experience in babel server 1v1 fully farmed warrior always beats a fully farmed dagger rogue. warriors just have too much physical defence. rogues are more effective than warriors at killing chinese(sneaky) and killing uniques due to their dd and xbow ex but all this doesnt matter against a heavy armored warrior who can quickly buff iron skin. with a rogues compromised physical def or xbow hp decrease they will die before warrior iron skin runs out. 2h skills like daredevil + turn rising is too much for a rogue to handle, even dual axe which are ihave found useless against chinese chars are very effective against dagger rogues. ive never tried 1h as i dont have the skills. some xbow rogue bards can be effective by hitting and running with their swing march on but a smart warrior will use sprint assaults, stuns and kds to kill that rogue before he gets too far.

dont get me wrong i have seen rogues own warriors 1v1, but in all it was rogue/cleric vs warrior/bard, rogue/cleric vs warrior/cleric is a different story.


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 Post subject: Re: Final Hope?
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warrior wins ofcourse

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 Post subject: Re: Final Hope?
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risi wrote:
warrior wins ofcourse


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 Post subject: Re: Final Hope?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 6:29 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Final Hope?
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jabbers wrote:
sprint assault


And turn rising. If you actually pay attention during wars, as soon as the rogue pops out, click on the bitch as he's getting ready to prick you and either sprint assault or turn rising. For some reason using iron skin doesn't always work, the timing is off a bit.

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 Post subject: Re: Final Hope?
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 Post subject: Re: Final Hope?
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lvl80 max skills (thus decry canceling disappear) and same gear, im leaning towards warrior, losing there disappear is rogues biggest disadvantage.

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 Post subject: Re: Final Hope?
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I agree ... I'm lv.73 Warrior with 3 gap and low equipments (non pimped) with +5 sword , and I killed lv.79 Rogue without gap without any problems ... xBow rogues are easier than daggers ...

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 Post subject: Re: Final Hope?
PostPosted: Thu Jan 31, 2008 4:43 pm 
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lols,Rogue's main advantage is Invisibility,take that aspect away and u handicap a Rogue.Don't even bring the descry effect into account because only a noob Rogue will stand 10 meters close to a Warrior when he uses Descry.

Rogue (distance shot)range is 18+7 meters=25 Meters,thats almost 3 times the distance that Descry even reaches.What a Rogue must do against a Warrior is hit first,whatever the costs.Whenever a Warrior can't see a Rogue the Rogue can wait out till iron skin passes or bless,if a Rogue hits first it's most likely game over.Prick+Combo.

If you guys mean head to head pvp,without strategy of invisibilty involved then i'm not sure about the most likely outcome given a fair enverinoment.Then its really open to debate.


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 Post subject: Re: Final Hope?
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Beating a rogue 1 on 1 is so easy, turn on iron skin and use 2h. If you still cant kill him by the time iron skin is over, switch to 1h and spam shield trash.

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even without iron skin its gonna be easy to kill a roque in close combat

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 Post subject: Re: Final Hope?
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i've experienced and i've to agree...in close combat..warrior got advantages...
but rogue can have chance when opponent got kd n kb...w/o of these....rogue kiss ground :P


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 Post subject: Re: Final Hope?
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one hit with maddening ;)

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