Should the forum ban anyone who breech the Joxmax TOS? poll:

aruin · **Joined:** Oct 2007 **Posts:** 138 **Location:** Reality

Do you think the forum should ban anyone who breeches the Joymax TOS?
After all it is against the Joymax TOS.

navicore · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 8

SRF != Joymax

Simplifique · **Joined:** Sep 2007 **Posts:** 372 **Location:**

SRF =/= JM. Poll is void.

ArchYourFace · **Joined:** Oct 2007 **Posts:** 638 **Location:**

i think that every wrong should be wrong from pk2 editing to botting.

BloodOwnzzz · **Posted:** Fri Feb 15, 2008 1:07 am

3rd party programs aren't in the NEW ToS.

https://www.joymax.com/portal/Joymax_Fr ... oymax.com/

CrimsonNuker · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 13791 **Location:**

IDC Option will prevail!

ArchYourFace · **Joined:** Oct 2007 **Posts:** 638 **Location:**

stop lying

Quote:

5. Policy against System Abuse

1. If a user is found to be abusing a bug or system glitch, the user may have his account restricted or deleted. Listed below are similar instances in which similar action may be taken.
① If a user is found to be inducing or encouraging particular behavior with the intent of placing undue stress on the systems.
② If a user discovers a bug and, instead of reporting it directly to a GM or Customer Support, tells it to other users
③ If a user gets a profit directly or indirectly from exploitation of a bug.

2. Users found to be using or distributing illegal programs may be subject to restrictions of their account or have their account deleted. In particular cases, the user may be subject to investigation by the proper authorities.

BloodOwnzzz · **Posted:** Fri Feb 15, 2008 1:18 am

ArchYourFace wrote:

stop lying

Quote:

5. Policy against System Abuse

1. If a user is found to be abusing a bug or system glitch, the user may have his account restricted or deleted. Listed below are similar instances in which similar action may be taken.
① If a user is found to be inducing or encouraging particular behavior with the intent of placing undue stress on the systems.
② If a user discovers a bug and, instead of reporting it directly to a GM or Customer Support, tells it to other users
③ If a user gets a profit directly or indirectly from exploitation of a bug.

2. Users found to be using or distributing illegal programs may be subject to restrictions of their account or have their account deleted. In particular cases, the user may be subject to investigation by the proper authorities.

Ok dude I just Ctrl + F'ed that and it's not on my version of ToS. I dunno where you are getting ths from but definitely not the current ToS.

navicore · **Joined:** Feb 2008 **Posts:** 8

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ArchYourFace wrote:

. Users found to be using or distributing illegal programs may be subject to restrictions of their account or have their account deleted. In particular cases, the user may be subject to investigation by the proper authorities.

Is illegal actually defined by the TOS? That's where the lovely loop hole would be. Besides ofcourse "may be."

BloodOwnzzz · **Posted:** Fri Feb 15, 2008 1:20 am

navicore wrote:

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ArchYourFace wrote:

. Users found to be using or distributing illegal programs may be subject to restrictions of their account or have their account deleted. In particular cases, the user may be subject to investigation by the proper authorities.

Is illegal actually defined by the TOS? That's where the lovely loop hole would be. Besides ofcourse "may be."

This isn't in the ToS lol where the **** are people getting this from =|?...

ArchYourFace · **Joined:** Oct 2007 **Posts:** 638 **Location:**

http://www.joymax.com/portal/Joymax_Fro ... policy.jmx

you can hide behind you "whats legal and whats not" if youd like. but you know as well as i do.

Braka · **Joined:** Oct 2007 **Posts:** 1369 **Location:**

i dont care tbh, theres enough unneeded drama ingame without having it on a forum also, ppl should use forums for questions and have a chat not to vent themselfs off every 2 mins

BloodOwnzzz · **Posted:** Fri Feb 15, 2008 1:36 am

ArchYourFace wrote:

http://www.joymax.com/portal/Joymax_Front.jmx?workURL=http://portalcp.joymax.com/support/operation_policy.jmx

you can hide behind you "whats legal and whats not" if youd like. but you know as well as i do.

Ok no I Farking didn't. Did you even bother checking the other one? It doesn't say shit about 3rd party programs. Why the hell would anyone know about a second policy being their if they confront you with one when you make an account...

Vindicator · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 1734 **Location:** L-A-B

Its an intended loop hole by joymax so that when someone reads it, they think that joymax is bound by it, when in fact, joymax can sit back, rake in the money, and do nothing about the "illegal" activity they led members on to believe was illegal.

sama98b · **Joined:** Feb 2007 **Posts:** 1428 **Location:**

The question that bots are legal or not according to jm tos...

-Since the new tos any bots were banned ?
-No.

ps.:
Need someone with more legal knowledge (age) to translate the tos to a language
that every ppl understand.

ps.2:
I'm wondering only on 1 thing, what will happen if jm implements ingame boting
for silk, as premium service.

Barotix · **Joined:** Jul 2007 **Posts:** 9250 **Location:** Sand

sama98b wrote:

The question that bots are legal or not according to jm tos...

-Since the new tos any bots were banned ?
-No.

ps.:
Need someone with more legal knowledge (age) to translate the tos to a language
that every ppl understand.

ps.2:
I'm wondering only on 1 thing, what will happen if jm implements ingame boting
for silk, as premium service.

I could define it in a short while, but why do that when i made a thread about it a long time ago, check out the links in my sig; i believe its the first one.

Dian Jie · **Joined:** Jul 2006 **Posts:** 737 **Location:** Valhalla

Yes, no brainer, geez

chesticles · **Joined:** May 2007 **Posts:** 1978 **Location:**

I posted this in another topic:

Quote:

Article 2 (User's Responsibilities)

1. User must register with their real name and accurate information without any falsehood when User registers for this service. The Company shall not be responsible for any losses to the User caused by false information.

2. The User must immediately notify the Company of any changes to personal information (email and others) by updating the user account information.

3. User has the responsibility to take care of his/her account and password.

4. User shall not illegally use other's accounts.

5. User shall not use service by company in any other way and shall not participate in the following activities when using the Services.
① Act of distributing content in game servers or websites without the permission of the copyright holder
② Act of advertising the Company's copyright and intellectual property rights in game servers or websites without the Company's permission.

6. User shall not violate other people's rights by using the services in violation of the public peace and morality.

7. The User must observe the terms in this Agreement and the Law, and shall not damage the reputation of the Company or cause interference to the Services.

8. User must read regularly and be familiar with the notices posted through the Web site.

9. User shall not complain of problems that arise due to use of other software not developed by the Company.

This is taken directly from JoyMax T.O.S... I found #9 to be intresting and didnt really find anything that says botting is illegal except maybe #6... Just food for thought

Aiyas · **Posted:** Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:29 am

Barotix wrote:

sama98b wrote:

The question that bots are legal or not according to jm tos...

-Since the new tos any bots were banned ?
-No.

ps.:
Need someone with more legal knowledge (age) to translate the tos to a language
that every ppl understand.

ps.2:
I'm wondering only on 1 thing, what will happen if jm implements ingame boting
for silk, as premium service.

I could define it in a short while, but why do that when i made a thread about it a long time ago, check out the links in my sig; i believe its the first one.

....
You could make those links a little bit bigger....

ArchYourFace · **Joined:** Oct 2007 **Posts:** 638 **Location:**

chesticles wrote:

I posted this in another topic:

Quote:

Article 2 (User's Responsibilities)

1. User must register with their real name and accurate information without any falsehood when User registers for this service. The Company shall not be responsible for any losses to the User caused by false information.

2. The User must immediately notify the Company of any changes to personal information (email and others) by updating the user account information.

3. User has the responsibility to take care of his/her account and password.

4. User shall not illegally use other's accounts.

5. User shall not use service by company in any other way and shall not participate in the following activities when using the Services.
① Act of distributing content in game servers or websites without the permission of the copyright holder
② Act of advertising the Company's copyright and intellectual property rights in game servers or websites without the Company's permission.

6. User shall not violate other people's rights by using the services in violation of the public peace and morality.

7. The User must observe the terms in this Agreement and the Law, and shall not damage the reputation of the Company or cause interference to the Services.

8. User must read regularly and be familiar with the notices posted through the Web site.

9. User shall not complain of problems that arise due to use of other software not developed by the Company.

This is taken directly from JoyMax T.O.S... I found #9 to be intresting and didnt really find anything that says botting is illegal except maybe #6... Just food for thought

Thats not saying that we cant complain about botters, it means if you or i use a program with sro, that we cant complain to JM if it causes problems/doesnt work right.

NuclearSilo · **Posted:** Fri Feb 15, 2008 4:37 pm

I dont care. Even the gold bots and spammers that u see everyday everywhere are not banned. What do u think the ToS is made for?

For nothing.

deep.in · **Posted:** Fri Feb 15, 2008 5:06 pm

PK editing is not cheating, you still have to grind yourself, it wont help you to be better than someone else. Same with NoDC, zoom hack programs. Botting is for what you should be banned

MrBow · **Posted:** Fri Feb 15, 2008 7:07 pm

Afaik we are in no way linked to Joymax

We have our own rules which we will enforce.

Alterran · **Posted:** Fri Feb 15, 2008 7:13 pm

i onyl consider botting/goldbuying and scamming to be not legit everything else i believe is hmm let me run down the list 1 more time ok2 editing is fine using no d/c client is ok anyhting pretty much where u dont use a bot

cyrusmac · **Joined:** Aug 2006 **Posts:** 39 **Location:** SE

NoDc and zoomhack would be a third party program, ban him!!

Why won't you guys just answer my question, I have a feeling I know why. 100% legit = no botting, no gold buying and no powerleveling by a bot. I've posted this 3 times now in different post on here with no reply.

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