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 Post subject: A godlike build for cap 90 & solution for limit mastery
PostPosted: Tue Apr 24, 2007 10:28 pm 
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This is a build that money involved and only rich ppl can make it. The build would be :
Heauksal 88 (only passive and ghost spear needed)
Bicheon 90 (your main weapon)
Ice 90
Light 32
Pure int

Why do i need money?
Because
- with money, u can resolve the problem of speed provided by Lightning. Drug of typhoon sold by npc would give u +100% increase speed.
- each year, there will be an event that u can gain trigger scroll to increase your dodge and rating.
- with silk, u can buy scrolls that increase 20% mag and phy damage
=> most skills from Light can be resolved through items. Except ghost walk, that's why u need 32 Light.
- with silk, u can also buy 20% damage resistance scroll.

Why Ice?
U choose not to freeze ppl but because Ice would give u about 200+ phy defense and damage reduction skill (that goes to MP).
Pure int vs Pure int : 1 nuke + ghost spear = die so 200+ mag defense from fire wont change the situation.
Because for a weapon : mag power = 1.4-1.8x phy power
so 200 phy def worth more than 200 phy def

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Garment (because u have ice); otherwise Fire + armor
=> give same defense but garment seems better to me :P
Have a gear +72str/+72int (u can have 6str/6int max for 9th deg equips)
+1200 HP from Stamina stone
At lvl 90, pure int has 6350 HP naked
With a perfect gear , u'll have 14000+ HP (2-3kHP is from heuksal passive)

Even if u are pure int, damage resistance scroll + damage reduction skill +
shield techniques make u invincible.

Tactic of pvp
Like this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73-WbY4w0p4

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this isnt really interessting, you will need hundred of $$ and who the hell is as stupid to do so O_O ?

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this isnt really interessting, you will need hundred of $$ and who the hell is as stupid to do so O_O ?

Billionaire :D
With money u dont need to waste mastery for Light.
Otherwise, if u dont want to a be slow ass
heuksal 90
bicheon 90
light 90
30 for res, maybe? O_O

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Stupid build.

Terrible damage because of ice and light.
No fire.. Eugh, not good at all :S

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Rainigul wrote:
Stupid build.

Terrible damage because of ice and light.
No fire.. Eugh, not good at all :S

... Seriously...


quoted the brown jumping thingie for truth

well I like the idea of a new build with weird stuff, but this one is too dependent on 1 charge item to work

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shaking my head. Not really a good build. Low light low parry mag attack and low grass walk. Your solution is buy scrolls? Do you work for joymax or something?

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Do you work for joymax or something?


Haha, that's classic :D


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Rainigul wrote:
NukingWhore wrote:
Do you work for joymax or something?


Haha, that's classic :D

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Silk owns. Atm, u can be strong with +20% damage and +20% resistance scroll + trigger scroll + 500MP scroll + drug of typhoon :D

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This build will never work for pvp....itemmall will not save you either

why do you even bother getting bicheon for pure int @90 cap :/ wannado blade dmg, huh? Unless you buy ur self a full sun set then it might work abit better till you fight ice archer.
Just accept int being pure for support :roll:

ice,light,fire @90with new skills would be my pure int build

ice
260pdef + dmg converter puff
fire
270mag puff + shield(faster recovery) + imbue
light
18% mag dmg + best nuke(new book) + 73% speed +23m phantom + 66parry + 3 instant shouts(1st n 4th are on same timer)
spear and s/s in prot

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This build will never work for pvp....itemmall will not save you either

why do you even bother getting bicheon for pure int @90 cap :/ wannado blade dmg, huh? Unless you buy ur self a full sun set then it might work abit better till you fight ice archer.
Just accept int being pure for support :roll:

ice,light,fire @90with new skills would be my pure int build

ice
260pdef + dmg converter puff
fire
270mag puff + shield(faster recovery) + imbue
light
18% mag dmg + best nuke(new book) + 73% speed +23m phantom + 66parry + 3 instant shouts(1st n 4th are on same timer)
spear and s/s in prot


Ask yourself after watching this pvp video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73-WbY4w0p4
Can this guy survive if he doesnt have block and HP passive? Have u ever seen a pure int can kill a pure str without weapon skill? And u think they let u nuke freely without KD and stun u?

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shield(faster recovery)

sry for my limited knowledge but where did u get that info from?

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Ice is crap...you do it only for phys def? And PvP..thats only for fun, you don't do it to grind. Ice=Bad idea :x

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Ice is crap...you do it only for phys def? And PvP..thats only for fun, you don't do it to grind. Ice=Bad idea :x

Yep ice is only for def
Gear>Build
1. Sosun sword lv 64+5 + ice imbue
2. Sword 72+5 + fire imbue
I'll let u choose :D

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NuclearSilo wrote:
dE4 wrote:
my junk


Ask yourself after watching this pvp video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73-WbY4w0p4
Can this guy survive if he doesnt have block and HP passive? Have u ever seen a pure int can kill a pure str without weapon skill? And u think they let u nuke freely without KD and stun u?

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shield(faster recovery)

sry for my limited knowledge but where did u get that info from?


As far as I understand you are speaking of 90cap with new skills. Means NOBODY is immuun and if you didnt know there is a delay of recovery what depends on the amount of status.
Do you think you can use weapon skills freely? no I didnt think so.
BTW using zodiac as an example is a bad idea(no further comments) and did you notice how "good" those glaivers were :roll:

60-70-80 or 90 cap is no where near 90cap with new skills when it comes to comparing build types.

Here a Q's for you do you know how much new ice puff converts phy dmg, 3rd book maxed?

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NuclearSilo wrote:
iSTeaL wrote:
Ice is crap...you do it only for phys def? And PvP..thats only for fun, you don't do it to grind. Ice=Bad idea :x

Yep ice is only for def
Gear>Build
1. Sosun sword lv 64+5 + ice imbue
2. Sword 72+5 + fire imbue
I'll let u choose :D

Sword ofcourse..although i'm spear =/

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dE4 wrote:
This build will never work for pvp....itemmall will not save you either

why do you even bother getting bicheon for pure int @90 cap :/ wannado blade dmg, huh? Unless you buy ur self a full sun set then it might work abit better till you fight ice archer.
Just accept int being pure for support :roll:

ice,light,fire @90with new skills would be my pure int build

ice
260pdef + dmg converter puff
fire
270mag puff + shield(faster recovery) + imbue
light
18% mag dmg + best nuke(new book) + 73% speed +23m phantom + 66parry + 3 instant shouts(1st n 4th are on same timer)
spear and s/s in prot


Ask yourself after watching this pvp video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73-WbY4w0p4
Can this guy survive if he doesnt have block and HP passive? Have u ever seen a pure int can kill a pure str without weapon skill? And u think they let u nuke freely without KD and stun u?

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shield(faster recovery)

sry for my limited knowledge but where did u get that info from?


That guy is not that good :S.

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NuclearSilo wrote:
dE4 wrote:
This build will never work for pvp....itemmall will not save you either

why do you even bother getting bicheon for pure int @90 cap :/ wannado blade dmg, huh? Unless you buy ur self a full sun set then it might work abit better till you fight ice archer.
Just accept int being pure for support :roll:

ice,light,fire @90with new skills would be my pure int build

ice
260pdef + dmg converter puff
fire
270mag puff + shield(faster recovery) + imbue
light
18% mag dmg + best nuke(new book) + 73% speed +23m phantom + 66parry + 3 instant shouts(1st n 4th are on same timer)
spear and s/s in prot


Ask yourself after watching this pvp video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73-WbY4w0p4
Can this guy survive if he doesnt have block and HP passive? Have u ever seen a pure int can kill a pure str without weapon skill? And u think they let u nuke freely without KD and stun u?

Quote:
shield(faster recovery)

sry for my limited knowledge but where did u get that info from?


I would listen to dE4, I beleive he was in the ksro beta server for new skills.

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light bicheon and heuskal at 90 could work. But thats about the extent of it. Even with the light dual-wield build, you lack the fire shield, mag defense, and extra atk power of fire.

I would go bicheon-fire-light.

But btw what is this "dmg converter buff" you talk about in the ice mastery? :?
Reason to get bicheon is:
a) knockdown foes when you are about to die (serves as defense)
b) to be able to help bladers and other bicheon nukers when they have a KD'd target my stabbing.
You can also save others with bicheon KD, making it incredibly useful in job wars.
You want light and fire definitely.
bicheon-light-fire is what I like personally :)

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with both the scrolls even if i've never farmed at lvl 90 with a str heuksal and no other mastery, i could own even people who full farmed str fire glaive without the scrolls


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there is a delay of recovery what depends on the amount of status.

No, i dont know and i never see any guide that says that a shield technique from Fire reduces the delay of recovery. Are u saying that u can autopot faster with that skill? Or pots work more efficient?

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NOBODY is immuun

If nobody is immune, then ice owns

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Do you think you can use weapon skills freely? no I didnt think so.

Why not? I always see glaivers spamming soul spear and ghost spear outside DW (only 2 skills rofl)

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Here a Q's for you do you know how much new ice puff converts phy dmg, 3rd book maxed?

What skill are u talking about? :D

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Even with the light dual-wield build, you lack the fire shield, mag defense, and extra atk power of fire.

Why do u need mag def if u are pure int? Do u know what a pure int need?
Fire shield is not really important. With a low lvl fire shield 20% hour reduce, i can also be immune.

Anyway, i said that with $$$, u dont need to waste mastery on Lightning coz most special items can replace and are better than some Light skills
Bicheon 90 Fire 90 Ice 90 is also good, but tank weaker than those who has heuksal passive

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ur build will suck, cuz:

1) ice is a weak mastery in the hands of pure int, you dont notice much if a pure str uses ice imbue, but you'll notice the difference when a pure int uses ice imbue instead of fire or light.

2) only lvl 32 light mastery means you dont have high mag.attk buff from light tree, & thus your dmg as a pure int will even be lower.

3) you get 10m of phantom walk w/ lvl 32 light....10m is nothing, u wont be able to run from anything.

4) even though you'll have good amount of hp & phy.def as a pure int...you still wont be able to tank as much as a pure str anyway

so in conclusion, you wont be able to kill any1 w/ ur weak ass ice tree, though maybe you'll survive longer 1v1 or when ur gangbanged

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Duel wpn in 90 cap will not work...at all no matter how much you want it too it will not work. It works now in 80 cap really cuz we still have 8th degree weapons and x-large potions <--those two is the reason Int duel works..so you can drop you ice no big deal if your gear is pimped...but in 90 cap.. your talking abotu droping Fire Buff thats big no no no...and bye bye to the lil extra phy dmg u get alwells..and then your droping the highest dmg imbue for one that does less dmg...And then 9th degree weapons so x-large potions will not help you any more..and vs a pure int spear with no fire buff your get owned really fast unless "you become a blader" and spam knock downs..<--if you do that then whats the point of being duels o_0. The moral of the story is, it will not work, now 100 cap if they raise mastery lvl to 400 then duels will work and own too :).

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& forgot to add, those pure str in that video are pretty noob, or it's more that pure int's gear beat theirs, a prue str w/ pimp gear against a pure int w/ pimp gear ends up w/ pure str coming on top always...and go fight some1 else other than guildmates or it's a set up


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Rainigul wrote:
Stupid build.

Terrible damage because of ice and light.
No fire.. Eugh, not good at all :S

... Seriously...


By looking at your level, its safe to say that your comment is useless.

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NuclearSilo wrote:
dE4 wrote:
This build will never work for pvp....itemmall will not save you either

why do you even bother getting bicheon for pure int @90 cap :/ wannado blade dmg, huh? Unless you buy ur self a full sun set then it might work abit better till you fight ice archer.
Just accept int being pure for support :roll:

ice,light,fire @90with new skills would be my pure int build

ice
260pdef + dmg converter puff
fire
270mag puff + shield(faster recovery) + imbue
light
18% mag dmg + best nuke(new book) + 73% speed +23m phantom + 66parry + 3 instant shouts(1st n 4th are on same timer)
spear and s/s in prot


Ask yourself after watching this pvp video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73-WbY4w0p4
Can this guy survive if he doesnt have block and HP passive? Have u ever seen a pure int can kill a pure str without weapon skill? And u think they let u nuke freely without KD and stun u?

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shield(faster recovery)

sry for my limited knowledge but where did u get that info from?
Your pretty stupid.

The build from the nuker from that video is way different from the shit build you think that is supposedly going to "prawn" at the 90 cap.

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if u got money, just buy a char with sosun gear.

now thats a good build for ppl with $$$$$.

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Ppl say it's a bad build, but none can give a good opnion. Dont think that at cap 90 ppl will do massive damage. No the damage is still low like at the actual cap we have.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwKW4PSg ... ed&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M_cvW_m ... ed&search=
It's not easy to kill someone with 14k HP like u think.
Resistance scroll and shield technique turn pure str into a clown :P
Again, i say this is build for rich ppl only.
Having a sun gear is not impossible.
http://rev6.com/index.php?site=player&player=44518

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no will never work first right off the bat saying nuke and garm i kill same lvl nuke garm in 1 hit/2hit and yes some go ice light i killed them before

RULES a balance
Garm+str=mag defense/phy defense based off his str alone
armor+int=vice versa phy defense and mag off his int alone
armor+str=be good against a str character but once he runs into a nuker he will be fried
garm+nuker=same thing good agaisnt int but he will die by a str

unless its sosun but why not just get sosun of the one that gives you even more balance

good build i was thinking of is a 2 tree hybrid spear nuker but a tad bit mroe str then the normal hybrid maybe you will have the high mag attack but yet the high hp and phy defense and u must be farmed and with 2 trees you be fine i think spear max it out like if you where a glavier

lvl 1-42 will be hell but after that i think it would payoff

you will save on potions as well since you will nuke less yet 1/2 hit with spear then spears come with higher critical so idk just guessing this would be a good build

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This is a build that money involved and only rich ppl can make it. The build would be :
Heauksal 88 (only passive and ghost spear needed)
Bicheon 90 (your main weapon)
Ice 90
Light 32
Pure int

Why do i need money?
Because
- with money, u can resolve the problem of speed provided by Lightning. Drug of typhoon sold by npc would give u +100% increase speed.
- each year, there will be an event that u can gain trigger scroll to increase your dodge and rating.
- with silk, u can buy scrolls that increase 20% mag and phy damage
=> most skills from Light can be resolved through items. Except ghost walk, that's why u need 32 Light.
- with silk, u can also buy 20% damage resistance scroll.

Why Ice?
U choose not to freeze ppl but because Ice would give u about 200+ phy defense and damage reduction skill (that goes to MP).
Pure int vs Pure int : 1 nuke + ghost spear = die so 200+ mag defense from fire wont change the situation.
Because for a weapon : mag power = 1.4-1.8x phy power
so 200 phy def worth more than 200 phy def

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Garment (because u have ice); otherwise Fire + armor
=> give same defense but garment seems better to me :P
Have a gear +72str/+72int (u can have 6str/6int max for 9th deg equips)
+1200 HP from Stamina stone
At lvl 90, pure int has 6350 HP naked
With a perfect gear , u'll have 14000+ HP (2-3kHP is from heuksal passive)

Even if u are pure int, damage resistance scroll + damage reduction skill +
shield techniques make u invincible.

Tactic of pvp
Like this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73-WbY4w0p4

this is the most unqualified noobish thread i've ever seen.

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NuclearSilo wrote:
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Ppl say it's a bad build, but none can give a good opnion. Dont think that at cap 90 ppl will do massive damage. No the damage is still low like at the actual cap we have.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwKW4PSg ... ed&search=
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9M_cvW_m ... ed&search=
It's not easy to kill someone with 14k HP like u think.
Resistance scroll and shield technique turn pure str into a clown :P
Again, i say this is build for rich ppl only.
Having a sun gear is not impossible.
http://rev6.com/index.php?site=player&player=44518


Thats Jsro 90cap without new stuff! and most ppl there dont even have autopot cuz its itemmall item.

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