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Whats best for 70:70 bow for PVP
90 Pacheon 90 Lighting 90 Fire 30 Ice 37%  37%  [ 16 ]
90 Pacheon 90 Lighting 90 Ice 30 Fire 26%  26%  [ 11 ]
90 Pacheon 90 Lighting 60 fire 60 ice 12%  12%  [ 5 ]
90 Pacheon 90 Fire 90 Ice 30 Lightning 14%  14%  [ 6 ]
OTHER 12%  12%  [ 5 ]
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 Post subject: My last Bowman Question
PostPosted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 5:29 am 
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Ok i think i made my desicion on what im going to build (90 Pacheon 90 Lighting 60 Fire 60 Ice) but i just wana make sure for one last time whats considered best.

Im making a 70:70 / 80:80 bowmanbuild and im curious on what skill combinations to use.

If you choose other tell me what you mean?

Thank you :)[/u]


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If you dont mind could you post what OTHER? lol


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fire has most dmg, fire gives u magic defense, fire gives u more ph dmg, fire makes u almost immune to cold...fire is imho the most usefull skill tree

anyway i dont see point in having two 60 masteries...i rather have 3 full 90s than 2 90s and 2 shitty 60s

so 90p 90f 90l 30c would be my choice

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my build will be...
90 bow, 90 fire, 90 force, 30 light.

if you don't want force go with light 90 and cold 30. regardless, keep bow and fire at 90.

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im doing 90 ligt/ice pacheon. But there are alot of people around here doing 2 90's and 2 60's

time will learn

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2 be honest the only reason i realy want 2 60's is becauce i like how the Fire Protection and Guard of ice look like together.


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90 Pacheon 90 Fire 30 Ice 90 Lightning


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i would go with

pacheon 90
light 90 (imbue/high level buffs :))
ice 60 (as a hybrid its good to have snow shield at a decent level)
fire 60 (good to have the buffs and passive at a decent level)

or swap the light and fire around. if i were you i would be using one of those builds. i dont think 70:70 builds are a 90,90,90,30 kind of thing. i think 90,90,60,60 suits it better but what ever thats my opinion

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I would do:

90 Pacheon - For bow obviously

90 Light - The MOST important force tree for INT based builds. (I would get the light nuke for back up :D)

90 Ice - To max out Ice Shield which will make you invincible in pvp, for 2 minutes lol.

No need for fire since that is for STR based builds imo.

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Yea i think Maybe:

90 Pacheon 90 Lighting 90 Ice 30 fire would be best but ill be low on physical defense so a pure str blader would beat me easily.

Well either way once 90 cap comes out no one will realy know whats best untill people test other things so i think ill test the 90 pacheon 90 LIghting 60 fire 60 ice. Maybe if i dont like what i see ill change it.

Appreciate everones help and thanks for voteing. :)


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Why do people like having Lightning 90? Im Archer and will be

Cold 68
Fire 90
Pacheon 90
Lightning 52

The only skill i use on Lightning is Grass Walk, which isnt very important for archer because it already has range

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because 70:70 bow is like 2:1 int hybrid. as the lightning tree gives mag att buff, its usefull to max it

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What if you go for:
90 Pacheon
87Fire* Well you can basicly get everything its not big difference if its not 90 and it can be your imbue so its good damage.
69Ice * that way you can still get Snow Shield Freeze Lvl 4
54Lighting * that way you can max out Speed Piercing Force LvL3
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This way you have awesome defense + a good attack.

Let me know what youthink of this idea because thats what im thinking of making but i wouldnt wana make it if its no good Smile


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If your str based you need fire, int you can do without it.


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WEll im talking about the 70:70 based build


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Puma60 wrote:
Why do people like having Lightning 90? Im Archer and will be

Cold 68
Fire 90
Pacheon 90
Lightning 52

The only skill i use on Lightning is Grass Walk, which isnt very important for archer because it already has range


phantom is useful to have high for archers

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90, 90, 60, 60 seems more hybrid than 90, 90, 90, 30 ..
you need both : mag and phy attack , and you need both mag and phy def ...

30 ice is noob choice for 70:70 build .. some people don't understand what's the meaning of "Hybrid bow" yet and still think it will work like str build ..

30 light , you lose a high percentage of your main side of your attack .. 70:70 bow do 60~70% damge from mag and 30~40% from phy (that's from real numbers) so having low % mag attack buff is noob choice too ..

30 fire , you lose mag def and phy attack , what are you thinking about this build ? you thought it's pure int that's don't need mag def or phy attack ? are you nuking to abandon phy attack ? you are hybrid and need this too ..

let's think logicaly ,

First question is : what's this build for ? tank ? deal damge ? nuke ?
we all know that this build for heavy damge with bow skills .. that's mean not nuking at main and mean we should have bow skills maxed so we must say :

90 pacheon ..

And from the previous point that we think about heavy damge we should arrange this build for the heavy damge first and then think about def ... And when we know that 60~70 % of the damge for this build come from mag attack (imbue) so we should find the best force mastery to do mag attack (light) that came from the mag attack buff .. and we need to max this mastery too to use the light imbue so :

90 light

Now we have 300 - (90+90) = 120 mastery lvl remaining to think about the secondery attack and the def ..
We still have Cold and Fire to choose ..
And again you are hybrid .. the most balanced hybrid in game with same phy and mag balance ... you need phy and mag def .. phy def in cold and mag def in fire .. also fire have phy attack and cold have more overall def by snow shield ..

Now we need to ask question about snow shield .. what's your max snow shield % as hybrid to use is that 50% ? are you think you have 18 K MP to tank with 50% from it ? you aren't pure int and you can't use 50% .. your max will be 35% ~ 40% and that's mean no need to max cold ..
You already have some mag and phy def from your build and protector so you don't need to max one type of def and abandon the other ..
At last you don't need to max your phy attack buff because it's not your main attack .. and also you can't abandon it as your damge have about 30~40 % from phy ..

All this mean 60 cold , 60 fire is the best choise to go with hybrid bow 70:70 build ..

So it's : 90 pacheon , 90 light , 60 cold , 60 fire ..

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oh ok i didnt see that alright thats the build i was going to make and now ill make it

Appreciate your help :P


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90 pacheon, light 90 and ice 90, 30 fire. Fire is useless unless for little mre dmg and mag defence. Ice gives snow shield which will cover dat little mag defence, and also alot mre phy defence. 60 fire/60 ice is bad because u are gettin insufficient defence from both masteries, L60 fire gives 39mag power defence -.-. and Ice imbue for 70:70 archer pwns against euro, along with ur high dmg and high rate frostbite/freezing, very gud against euro without cleric buff, u can also get light imbue for immune chars.

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Ice_Warrior wrote:
90 pacheon, light 90 and ice 90, 30 fire. Fire is useless unless for little mre dmg and mag defence. Ice gives snow shield which will cover dat little mag defence, and also alot mre phy defence. 60 fire/60 ice is bad because u are gettin insufficient defence from both masteries, L60 fire gives 39mag power defence -.-. and Ice imbue for 70:70 archer pwns against euro, along with ur high dmg and high rate frostbite/freezing, very gud against euro without cleric buff, u can also get light imbue for immune chars.


hmm there's alot of discussion about
90/90/90/30 or 90/90/60/60

i agree with ice warrior. level 60 fire WON'T help you that much
with level 30 fire, you jsut loose 5% PHY damage, which isn't going to hurt you either.
but that's just me

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Im a 80% phy balance naked bow. And im going 90fire 90pach 80 light 40 ice.
70:70 bow was a too big dillema for me, so i went more phy balanced :D
But i voted for 90pach 90 light 90ice 30 fire, cause it seems balanced. Balance is what ur looking for as 70:70, since ur balances are balanced

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